To be clear, I am only talking about people like the average working class Trump voter. The ones who just got caught by misinformation, and just haven’t been able to find a way out. Trump and all his mates are terrible people, and should be held accountable.
The average voter is another thing. My attitude is that I got lucky, and found out that Trump and his mates are terrible, instead of getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting them. Knowing how fascism works, I don’t know if I’d be able to reliably land on the right side if fascism happened in my home country. And if I don’t believe I could reliably spot fascism, I’m not comfortable acting like those who support Trump could have.
This isn’t a discussion of “just be a good person”. I know plenty of amazing, caring people who believe they’re doing the right thing.
This whole idea of “I can’t say is reliably avoid fascism” is based on this, the school that became fascist for a week. As bad of an experiment that was from that teacher, it was an effective way of teaching how people fall for what should be obviously a bad thing.
Fuck anyone who actually voted for trump. Period. Edit: it’s on them to try to redeem themselves
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Those people are the other fascists. You can’t be a part of the problem without being part of the problem.
I’m unsubbing to this community. It appears to be 100% political posts now. rip.
It used to be like 85% “why do people like anal” and now it’s just 100% doomer threads. Is this really all these communities have to offer? It’s worse than Reddit.
Convicted felon. Known rapist. Told us to inject bleach for COVID.
Absolutely I still blame people who think he has their interests in mind.
A lot.
The information was not hidden, he wasn’t even trying to hide it. It’s not like you had to read between the lines. Anyone who willingly voted for him is on my shit-list. I understand not liking Biden or Kamala, but I will never understand looking between them and Trump and thinking that, in any way, he would be the better alternative in any capacity. He is a facist, and even worse, he’s a dumb one. He’s easily entertained and influenced. He doesn’t care about anyone that isn’t him (or that he doesn’t want to fuck). He’s not president because he cares, he’s president because he can. I think anyone who voted for him was incredibly selfish, minimum. “He’s going to lower groceries.” Even if he did, is that worth it the oligarchy? Is it worth losing rights? Is it worth Palestine? Is it worth everything else increasing? Is it worth making way for a Dictator? Is it worth making a home for facists? Is it worth watching families be ripped apart?
I would say no, but many of my countrymen disagreed.
I am considering whether my mother and I will have a relationship going forward. It was already strained by the last orange term. I instituted a no-politics rule to save our relationship.
She knows I’ve been planning to move to NZ because he won again. I mentioned that I’m feeling enormous conflict about leaving my partner (can’t follow due to refugee status and lack of citizenship) and she told me she’s optimistic about the future and we live in the “greatest country on earth.” This was on inauguration day and I fucking lost it.
Emails that I have sent to her since:
Subj: Trump orders US withdrawal from the World Health Organization - Ars Technica
You shouldn’t vote and your offspring have to live with the consequences of your vote.
Subj: He pardoned the Jan 6 rioters
You contributed to violent criminals (some convicted of seditious conspiracy) walking free. You did this.
Subj: You voted to humiliate my friends
https://www.notus.org/whitehouse/trump-gender-sex-order-passports
Subj: Trump Rescinds Biden Order Aimed at Lowering Prescription Drug Prices
You cause harm to innocent people with your vote.
Honestly, I’ve concluded that she’s a bad person for voting for him. I still love her. She raised me and protected me from an abusive father (as best she could). But this fucking sucks and she sucks for helping to make it happen. There’s a real possibility that I will end my relationship with her because of this. And that sucks, but there has to be a line.
So how far have you gotten with your plans for NZ? I ask because I always see people commenting about doing that but 99.9% of them are just venting.
If the democrats didn’t go into the far-left woke territory Trump probably wouldn’t have won. Blame them.
Trump won because people had enough of sleepy Joe and dems in general. It’s a fact!
Yall can dislike all you want, but we all know I’m spitting the truth.
America was always fascist so its not really possible to vote for a president who isn’t
I sincerely hope everyone who voted for Trump, and those who didn’t vote, all get whatever kind of cancer kills them the slowest and most painfully.
…yeah you are 12.
No offense but adults should be better at resisting manipulation than schoolchildren. Plenty of people in the US saw the right turn fascist and went “hey, that’s bad, I’m not going to vote for them”. Anyone could do it. So, yeah, I blame them a lot and I think if you believe you could fall for fascism easily you should work on finding ways to improve on that weakness.
A lot.
I know there’s a proportion that were simply ignorant and tuned out of politics… but most Trump voters did so over the very loud objections of trans relatives or while openly embracing the nativism.
Lastly, I think that Harris did a terrible job advocating for her election and she owns a fair portion of the blame as well.
Trump wasn’t an unknown this time. He attempted to subvert our election process and he’s a convicted rapist. He openly embraced corruption during his last term and is already shilling crypto bullshit.
Trump voters are terrible selfish people - end of story.
I blame them completely. Voters are not children. You’re responsible for your own actions.
Have you seen them at the polls? You’re right, they aren’t children. Individually i think voters are smart, but as a collective they are dumber than children. If you consider that it’s no surprise that Google searches like “did Biden drop out” spiked on election day.
If a grown adult with the mental acuity of a child assaults you and tries to rob you, you are entirely justified in fighting them off and holding them morally culpable for their actions.
If said manchild instead publically advocates for and votes to have someone else do this to you, they are just as morally culpable.
Idiocy may be an explanation, but it is no excuse.
Which is totally fair. I’m just saying there are a fuck ton of people that either don’t care, aren’t invested in politics, or aren’t online as much as we are. Or if they are online they sure as shit ain’t here or on Reddit. They’re on websites like Facebook where they get fed ragebait like it’s candy because it gets facebook more clicks and more money. It’s easy to see these people as just “stupid” but in reality this is the internet to them and that’s all they see. They’re not stupid necessarily, but when it comes to the important shit they’re definitely ignorant.
As the saying goes, you may not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you.
Democracy doesn’t work if everyone is stupid and misinformed.
Americans currently have an average literacy ability of 5th - 6th graders. Less than 10% of Americans are capable of independently, critically evaluating contrasting information.
A person who chooses to be surrounded by stupidity, and then absorbs that stupidity, is stupid.
Yes, there is a difference between stupidity (low mental aptitude, ability, potential) and ignorance (low actual knowledge set), but ignorance makes you stupid, and stupidity makes you ignorant, or even worse, full of ‘knowledge’ of false facts.
Frankly, I’ll go so far as to say that if you willingly choose to consistently retard your own understanding of the world, by getting all your info from idiots on Facebook or TikTok, then you are definitionally retarded.
I’m very, very tired of acting like misinformed idiots, who continuous choose to become more idiotic and misinformed, who are extremely belligerent, do not accurately fit into this definition.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retard
Merriam Webster:
retard (verb)
to delay or impede the development or progress of : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment
People should always care about politics, understanding it is understanding how your life is governed.
There is literally no difference between a Trump supporter/voter and a Nazi
If we’re talking the average working class voter, I hold a great amount of sympathy for them. I really do understand where they’re coming from.
The Democrats are corrupt as hell and aren’t doing a damn thing for the American people. Pre-Trump Republicans are corrupt as hell and aren’t doing a damn thing for the American people. The country is legitimately falling apart and there’s no one to turn to.
Here comes this guy out of nowhere who’s never been in politics and thus not beholden to their corrupt schemes. He’s promising to tear down the whole damn system that isn’t working for the average American. He recognizes and acknowledges the plight of working class America. He’s claiming that it needs to break completely before it can be repaired.
This is the reasoning behind my little brother supporting Trump. He’s so desperate for real change that he’s willing to overlook a lot of Trump’s bad behaviors. To my brother, Trump is a useful wrecking ball, a bulldozer coming to forcefully wipe away everything wrong with politics.
Of course, Trump has no real intentions of fixing anything. He’s just there to loot the government and shield himself from the law. All of the right wing supporters, politicians, preachers, and business execs are just stepping stones.
Sorry bud, but your brother is a Nazi. Voting for fascism just to change things? My ass. If a fascist tells you he’s a fascist, believe him. And fascists don’t want change. They want power.
Agreed, this particular type of person I can at least feel empathy for. Feeling the system has failed and deciding that someone who will blow it all up is better than someone who will maintain the status quo.
I feel that people like your brother are in the minority though and most of Trump’s voters like his policies, and so I completely blame them, but that’s just my gut feeling, I don’t have stats or studies.
