Congrats to all the “both sides are the same” folks who stayed home and handed this election to Trump.
Congrats to all the “democrats can do no wrong, so please ignore Biden’s ongoing genocide” who seriously thought they could get Arab Americans in Dearborn to vote for a man carrying out genocide against their brothers and sisters.
Sure… definitely NOTHING wrong with the democratic strategy. All of our problems are because people simply didn’t vote correctly.
Come back and tell me how long Palestine lasted under Trump lol
I don’t think anyone was saying they could do no wrong, they were just saying if you think America’s support for Isreal was bad under the Democrates, just wait and see how much worse it’ll be under Trump. Basically anywhere an non-maga someone was critical of how the democrats were doing things, the GOP’s plans were further removed from what those particular people wanted.
So yeah, seems like they voted wrong in that case.
“Vote blue no matter who” is still a thing my friend
The protest voters didn’t effect the votes in any meaningful way
Same for the “establishment Democrats suck so I didn’t vote” as well. Because trump is so much better.
we won‘t win against these politics of resentment with resentment against potential allies
There’s not going to be another free election, so fuck’em.
65,000,000 eligible voters don’t vote. Should have fought harder to get those butts off the couch to vote than just “but Trump”. If you don’t excite the base, they’re not going to go out and vote.
Preventing fascism isn’t exciting. It’s a necessity. It’s the civic equivalent of brushing your teeth.
Yeah that doesn’t work. Making that argument again and again and not responding to the above critique is why Trump won.
Trump won because millions of people were swayed by propaganda and misinformation.
There was a lot of propaganda going around, but the Dems decided their message was to be in denial about the economy and to court the Republicans who were too sexist to vote for a woman anyway.
The problem is the Democrats told the truth about the economy. They said it was getting better slowly over time and that prices were never going to go back to what they were before Covid. People would rather hear Trump’s comfortable lies than face the uncomfortable truth.
The economy was getting better if you base “the economy” on stock values. The way politicians, especially neoliberals, measure the health of the economy is fundamentally misaligned with the experience of the average person. That’s on purpose though. They care more about the wealthy than the people.
Regular people associate “the economy” with their own subjective bubble. Regular people are dumb as fuck and the Dems shouldn’t pretend like we are a country with free education where people make collected and informed decisions.
Despite the dems prepping the macro economy to distibute wealth to workers, the workers did not feel that wealth.
It was a good economy for transitioning us to EVs, bad for affording human needs.
Or here me out, they saw both sides as moraly reprehensable, not neccisarily equaly so, but enough that they would not be able to sleep at night giving either of them their vote, and tasid suport for what they are doing. As much as people here like to claim your really voting aganst the other guy, the vote is still for one side.
That would be valid if there were more than two choices. There were not. Not voting doesn’t free you from moral culpability; it makes you morally culpable for either outcome. Inaction is acceptance of the worst happening.
Maybe this needed to happen as a matter of karma and punishment, for complacency and stupidity. Its just a sin others have to suffer for morons who dont know any better.
It already happened in 2016 though.
People are crazy if they think this will be the time the Dems learn their lesson. They haven’t learned it for decades.q
no joke, I’d take the last time any day of the fucking week, the world is infinitely worse position for a manchild and an entourage of tech fascists to be taking power, we’re essentially already in the opening stage of WW3 because of Putin’s fantasies.
well, yeah. That’s why last time should have been the wake-up call, because now it’s too late.
too late to solve the problems by legal means, sure.
but if they make a move on anyone, like for real. there’s gonna be bodies on both sides. they aren’t the only ones with weapons. and worse for them, they’ve convinced some people they have nothing to lose now.
I doubt it as I’m gonna be punished for this even though I did everything I was supposed to.
Not voting is an action. An action that says, “either is fine”
So was appealing to right wing voters and alienating huge portions of the populations. In fact the Democratic Party took a LOT more ‘actions’ to lose this election than the people who stayed home did. Put your anger where it belongs for fucks sake.
The democrats tried to appeal to the people who actually vote.
Look at the dislikes, democrat supporters always double-down on their denial
At this point they deserve to lose
Any US citizen who was ok with Trump winning probably isn’t left wing.
Anyone left-wing US citizen who wasn’t ok with Trump winning but didn’t vote (assuming their vote mattered) is probably misguided at best.
You people are literally hopeless. Keep attacking your fellow people and never hold your politicians accountable. Thats working out great.
Can’t both be criticized? I’m mad at people so disconnected they don’t care to vote for a Capitolistic oligarchy over a Fascist oligarchy just like I’m mad at the Capitolistic oligarchy for not being better at understanding/representing the voter base. You call for unity about party reform and then use phrases like, “you people are literally helpless.” It comes across as very hippocritical.
I hate the rules of the game just as much as you, but people who refuse to play the game (or refuse to learn its rules) are hurting everyone by helping Trump.
Not voting doesn’t tell anything to the Democrats. Not voting doesn’t say “You did bad in Palestine” because for years, not voting meant “I can’t be bothered to vote, and I don’t care who wins”.
If you have a specific message to your politicians, you have to contact them directly. Or protest. Or do something to actually get your message to them.
Someone left-wing deciding not to vote objectively helps Trump. That has nothing to do with attacking anyone, it’s an objective fact.
Exactly, they alienate their own family members as well
It is an action yes. But you presume to ascribe what it means for everyone and thats not how understanding a population of voters ideas works. You are thinking we all live in your head and we just dont.
To some it means, “I wont vote for that level of effing far right wing immorality, especially not from inside whats supposed to be a left leaning party.”
Or to others: “I wont be held hostage by DNC fuckheads so they can get whatever awful outcome they want, since they target the party being just to the left of fascism. They created and control this trolley problem nonsense.”
Or: “I dont like fascism in either party, thanks. Eff both the parties.”
And for people like yourselves it means, "I will do whatever these people tell me, including condoning war crimes and racism, so I can ‘win’ ". Thats just a reflection of who YOU are, @generalemergency. Not everyone else. And the people of your philosophical camp Lost. And maybe lost the country to fascism too. You effing lost, and now you’re here smugly lecturing as if you understand anyone, or even yourself.
It was leaderships job to read the demographics and polling and understand how to get to a win and they arrogantly didnt do that. It wouldnt even have been hard, and a win was very possible. Bidenists fundamentally misunderstood how to lead a coalition, and imperiously and arrogantly thought they could order people to vote for war crimes. Turns out that didnt work. Maybe they should have done their effing jobs instead of sniffing their own thrones.
Biden hopefully will be the last “must secure the center” democrat. The winner in American elections is the one that has their base turn out more. If you do things to appease the center at the expense of the base, expect to loose.
Considering there’s no one from any left aligned party holding district wide, state wide or better. This comment is at best delusional.
If us leftists were the panacea many like to paint us as. We’d already be holding more offices than we do. Regardless of the NeOlIBeRaLs!
I think they’d do well to move more leftward. Benefitting the common man. Marginalizing any sort of economic liberal. But a lot is going to have to happen before that. And even then we will still need them more than they need us. Because honestly what’s the left’s excuse otherwise? We could if we wanted to, and oh you wouldn’t know our voters. She lives in Canada?
Oh it’s a joy to see a smart leftist, I know it’s not much but You give me a tiny bit of hope
Unfortunately the Neolibs would rather burn the country to the ground than lose control of the Democratic party
I feel like if we were in a horror movie, and I told you Michael Myers was coming to kill us, you would have just sat there telling me you’re tired and I need a reason for you to get up beyond “but Michael”
Well they can be excited about the new gender options now
That’s pretty rich coming from you, yo. How much time and how many posts did you spend dragging Biden and Harris during election season to have a surprised Pikachu reaction? I bet there’s a number with at least 2 zeros you are PERSONALLY responsible for dissuading from going to the ballot box.
Maybe the options arent exciting, but they weren’t both coming to drink your milkshake.
Edit: And by the way FUCK YOU for all of that. I would block you, but I’d rather see you scramble and post about “how do I stop fascism” and so on knowing you have ABSOLUTELY shit the bed for defending your own interests. I don’t wish suffering on anyone, but God dammit I hope your reality has or will get checked. As a cis white straight upper middle class dude none of this affects me at all, and I have spent two years fighting and losing sleep for your shit and what happens to everyone else. I have a lot of sympathy, but not one bit for you.
I don’t think it’s fair to attribute his winning the election on people that didn’t vote for Kamala. Young white men came out in droves voting for him - we cannot underestimate the political results of figures like Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate, and Ben Shapiro and the kind of rhetoric they’re able to spread.
Young people overall still went for Harris by the largest margin of any age group. The story is overwhelmingly one about turnout. The overall turnout was down 3% and the drop happened mostly in demographic groups that lean Democratic.
White men/women, and hispanic men were the demographics that stayed home
The youth vote didn’t change in any meaningful way
Non-American here, but do you also plan on asking the Democratic Party to suck marginally less in addition to bashing non-voters?
How does this help men and women? I know how it hurts people, but who is HELPED by this?
Fascists.
Edit: Whenever the question is “Who could possibly be helped by this?” the answer is “Fascists.”
How? How does it help them?
Fascists need an “other” to demonize. They delight in the cruelty towards the “other”. The executive order gives them a sense of accomplishment, further strengthening the group bonds as they enjoy the suffering of the “other” together.
It really is as simple as “the cruelty is the point”. It helps them because they desire to inflict cruelty, and this gives them a method for doing so.
I don’t think he delights in anything but having people tell him how great he is. This is textbook fascism. You got the part right thay they need an other group to demonize, just don’t think there is even that much depth to them.
Oh I should have been more clear: Trump’s supporters delight in cruelty towards others. You’re right that Trump just does whatever makes his supporters cheer for him; he’s a textbook narcissist who craves attention. “Build the wall” for example, was a talking point his advisers gave him. He apparently thought it was stupid, but when his crowds of supporters cheered for it he went on to make it central to his campaign and identity.
And the lesson the rank-and-file never seem to learn is once the other is eliminated, the fascists always turn inward, and begin eliminating each other. Unfortunately, their death toll is always quite high once they implode – sometimes in the millions.
It’s a death cult, though, and no matter how white or pious or privileged you think you are, they will come for you once they run out of ‘proper’ enemies, because without an enemy, fascism is nothing.
It gives justification for discrimination. To make people who disagree or are affected less than human and thus atrocities against them do not count as atrocities.
No different than colonization or slavery. “We know better and will show them the error of their ways/put them in their place by force and systematic discrimination”.
Because it is a clear demonstration of “We can do whatever the fuck we want, and you can’t stop us,” as well as a warning: “Don’t piss us off, or we’re going to do it to you next.”
Edit: Also a message to other fascists: “You can do whatever you want, and they can’t stop you.”
Denying science and memory holing it is actually massively beneficial for them.
Lol you think their goal is helping people?
No, not at all, but typically politicians frame it that way. They gave up on that, I guess. Now it’s just who can I hurt.
There’s loads of historical examples of policies in acted to hurt people
…because those people are “inferior” people
I have a joke about this:
Someone once asked a Republican what he thought about a shooting in a Queer bar, he responded “thats horrible, I hear a Muslim did it. Those dirty savages will never integrate with western values”.
So the person responded “oh so do you care about queer people now?”, he responded “of course not, they harm womens rights”.
So the person responded “oh so do you support womens rights now?”, he responded “of course not, I think the rights of children should take precedence”.
So he responded “oh so do you care about the children now?”, he responded “of course not, they’re leaches on society. I only support hardworking Americans”.
So he responded “Oh so do you support workers rights now?”, he responded “of course not, workers today are lazy, I support only the good religious Jewish and Christian workers”
So he responded “Oh so do you support Jewish people now?”, he responded “Of course not, I hear they’re extremely Islamaphobic”
So he responded “Oh so do you support Muslim people now?”, he responded “of course not, I hear one of them shot up a queer bar”
Owning the libs is his raison de terre.
if it makes amorphous enemies mad, then its worth it.
Reason of earth? I think it’s “Rasion d’etre”
thanks. lol. I thought something was wrong with it but was too busy to check
Oh sweet summer child. Help is NOT on the way.
They’d have to shoot me before I will ever deny my own womanhood. Not even with a gun to my head would I call myself a man. I lived in a closet for 18 years and it nearly killed me. It damaged me in ways I have to live with forever. I am a woman. They can say whatever the fuck they want it won’t change that. I will not bow my head. If it comes to it, I’ll die with my back straight, proud of who I am.
You and me! I’m also gay and there’s no way they’ll ever step over me like that. We’ve suffered way too much collectively to lie down at their feet. It’s time to fight back–again!
Proud of you, but seriously, be careful? Emigrate to a country where people are treated like humans, perhaps? You might even be able to request asylum.
Just don’t get yourself killed because some psycho said something stupid
You have a lot of allies who feel similarly about being forced to be cruel to people we love and care about. Let’s live through these terrible times with our humanity intact.
Same sister, I’ll happily die a woman if the alternative is living as a man. Gender affirming care is the reason I didn’t have to make that choice, and I may have to decide again…
Be strong. This harassment is a smokescreen to hide their own weaknesses. 2026 is our chance to reset Congress and mitigate the damage until that asshat leaves. Maybe we’ll even get lucky and he’ll croak early.
Glad you’re here. As a fellow LGBTQ+ card carrying member, we are going to keep fighting even harder. Let this presidency radicalize you.
Don’t worry. We got your back.
Thank you. Truly.
If you’re a woman then this doesn’t affect you.
I think it only affects nonbinary folks.
Edit: why was I downvoted for this?
Edit: why was I downvoted for this?
Because it very clearly does affect trans women? So either you’re not paying attention or you’re denying trans women their womanhood. Either way, downvote.
How? Trans women are women.
If you missed it in the article:
The order… directs the State Department… to “ensure that official government documents, including passports and visas, reflect sex accurately,” one of the officials said.
That’s fucking terrible and possibly detrimental for the mental health of trans people.
I’m confused. Does a passport list your sex or your gender?
The article quote I linked says sex. If a person is pre-op or not choosing surgery, they will forced to have the wrong gender on their docs.
I’m in Canada, your docs say what you identify as under “sex”.
If you have a passport or drivers license that says “M” and you are in a dress and full face of makeup, are you physically safe?
I have a drivers license that says “M” and have a beard. This EO (and state law) say that it should have an “F.” When I was a broke college student, and it did say “F” but I had a beard, I could barely find work scrubbing shit off bleachers with face tattooed ex cons. I had to do sex work. If I get to that point again I will just kill myself. And I did just lose my job lol.
Background checks still occasionally fuck me - I had a job let me work there for a week and then they tried not to pay me because the background check revealed I was trans. I spent months fighting for money, because I was ducking desperate, because I was going through a divorce where I was getting fucked for being a crazy tranny there too.
Documentation fucking matters. This is how they are trying to kill us.
I now have to live in fear of the Government randomly declaring me a man.
Why? You’re a woman.
I know I am, but the Government may not see it that way.
Even setting aside people’s gender identity, 1.7% of the population is intersex. A law can’t make that untrue.
not sure how to tell you this, but they can absolutely uhm… change that number
I mean it’s not like they have any literal Nazis in the…
Awfully reminiscent of the trouble the NASDAP had trying to draw the line between Jews and non-Jews. It made them look like fucking idiots, and I hope to hell history treats the GOP the same way.
The Republicans have looked like fucking idiots for as long as I can remember (and that’s pretty long, you pesky kids) but that has never stopped them.
The law doesn’t need to reflect reality though.
whats next, an executive order stating black people are only 3/5th of a white person? c02 isnt rising in volume in the atmosphere? that he isnt a literal hitler wannabe?
The CO2 one isn’t far off and may actually be in that first 200 orders.
You’re making jokes, but yes. This is a man that drew on a map with a sharpie to change the course of a hurricane. There’s nothing stopping him from blatantly lying about the reality that is right in front of our faces.
We have always been at war with Eastasia
East Asia has always been our Ally, we have always been at war with Eurasia. Report yourself to the min truth for unthought processing.
Things are double plus good!
What about hermaphrodites? Do they just pick their favorite?
No, “traditionally” it’s picked for them right after birth.
Any surplus parts are cut off, problem solved.The term is “intersex” (which covers a broad range of sex variation including “true hermaphroditism” though the term hermaphrodite is considered offensive when applied to a human). Typically intersex people are assigned either male or female at birth. If they are born with ambiguous genitalia, they are given surgery as infants to make them match their assigned sex (which has many negative side effects such as scarring, sterility, pain during urination/sex, and gender dysphoria). They may also be forced onto hormones to make them go through the “correct” puberty. Conservatives are generally in support of this practice, and laws that have been passed against trans healthcare have contained exceptions to allow for nonconsensual procedures on intersex children
Reminds me of the time Indiana tried to redefine pi.
What happened to conservatives? What happened to “my rights end where yours begin”. This shit is asinine, absolute trash.
The trans folks I know are the most joyful, positive people I know. They do not deserve to be stripped of their joy and identity. The next 2 years I suspect will be a long, hard road.
The next 2 years
Lol. It’s gonna be a lot longer than that. We’re entering a period of American decline that will likely last for a generation. Remember, the majority of voting Americans voted for this. That problem doesn’t just go away.
Reminds me of some state laws that have been voted for, and sometimes even enacted, that defined PI as three (or worse, even 4). Just because an uneducated jokel in the White House signed a piece of paper, scientific reality won’t just bend to his wishes.
What’s next? Will he declare Ohms law illegal? Forbid gravity?
2+2=5
Calm down, ChatGPT
As an electrical eng student you had me at Ohm’s law.
I wonder what their approach to intersex people will be…
Well, Trump says there are only two biological genders, but he said nothing about what percentage of each a person is allowed to have.
If anyone is curious what other fascist regimes did: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex_rights_in_Germany
Please, anyone who reads this, stop posting links to the mobile version of Wikipedia. It doesn’t switch automatically on PC, and I see it happen all the time. Just take the half a second to remove the “.m” from the beginning of the link, save everyone else from the pain of having to be surprised by it and taking the time to do it themselves.
Ignoring the content of the link, and following this passive and erroneous line of discussion: I did it on a phone, not on a PC where you on the PC can more easily change it. Not going to be scolded because I strictly didn’t follow your arbitrary rules.
I only complain because I see it happen a lot, and because Wikipedia automatically corrects links for mobile users but not desktop ones. It’s not intended to be scolding, just a request for you to be more aware of such things.
Then request Wikipedia change their web design for bifurcating mobile users into a subdomain. The CSS is detecting the browser implementation anyways, so do it all on the backend in one single domain.
For real, I’m not going to make your problem my problem, this is a wikipedia issue, you’re in the wrong channels.
You can’t edit text on your phone? How are you posting these comments?
Im going to guess somewhere between firing them, and firing at them.
lol, it’s funny that you think they care about things like nuance, accuracy, or empathy.
They’re about 5 seconds away from literally branding us, and you think they’re gonna be careful about which iron they use?
Just ignore the outrage machine and focus on what things you can do to help. The outrage is only to make you tired. Sue when you must, support businesses, organizations, and politicians you agree with financially, vote in every election, don’t add to any problem, and ignore Trump and his minions to the best extent you can.
Feels over science.
2016-2020 was the time of alternative facts 2025-2029 is the time of alternative reality
Supreme court will soon say the law doesn’t have to abide actual science or reality in general (if they haven’t already).
FINALLY! something to help LOWER those gas prices!
/s
assess what type of DEI programs are still discriminating against Americans
The official said it was “very fitting” that the order was announced on Martin Luther King Jr. Day because “this is order is meant to return to the promise and the hope, captured by civil rights champions, that one day all Americans can be treated on the basis of their character, not by the color of their skin.”
I don’t think I can handle four more years of this brain bending insanity. I’ve tried to understand where people are coming from. I’ve been of the belief that most of us are good people and want the same things. But trying to unpack the thoughts and whims of POTUS on a daily basis is just going to break my brain. I work at a computer all day so I’m not sure how I’m going to prevent myself from encountering this circus. I’m weighing the choice of living in blissful ignorance or in utter despair.
For over eight yers, my heart has hurt because of the sheer stupidity and ignorance taking control of this country. I am not seeing any signs of improvement. On the contrary, it seems very apparent that it’s getting worse.
Let these next 4 years radicalize you.
It’s not even radical anymore. It’s more radical to just let them keep raping and pillaging our society. It’s a clear class war and we better wake the fuck up before it’s over.
It’s over.
Radicalize this person to post against every trump competitor for being insufficient until 2028, then, realizing the competitors aren’t going to win, start asking how to survive 2029 to 2032? Bulletproof.
If they aren’t radicalized at this point, I fear there is no hope.
I’ve always said, religious people and puritans of all stripes seem way too concerned by other people’s genitals. Just like perverts.
They are literal perverts!
It’s weird
Hey dont do us perverts dirty like that, most of us know what no means.
Not just religious, but fascists too.
