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Fascist’s are on the right end of the Overton window.
So are conservatives.Learn what a venn diagram is, ya smack Baum pea wet.
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When we call them “far right,” “fascists,” or “nazis” they get pissy and say “sO mUcH fOr ThE tOlErAnT lEfT” there’s no winning dude
We win by not giving a fuck what they think about us calling them what they are. We win by showing them no tolerance and being proud of it. If there ever was a tolerant left now is the time to kill it.
This. I pulled my American flag down and ordered a slew of flags to fly instead. I’m starting with the Iron Front flag, then on to some pro gay, inclusive flags. I’m spending this weekend either finding local organizations or maybe creating one, for purposes of resistance and protest. Stop being nice!
Also go get trained and get a firearm. We can all hand them in happily later when and if things ever settle down. Get armed now. Its easy. They are all armed (trained, not so much usually). Be safe.
My point is there’s nothing to call them that is “good” just call them what you want and be done with it.
Conservative to me is the same as being a right winger.
they get pissy
At least that means it’s having an effect, no?
It’s not always good just to do something for something’s sake
The issue isn’t that they’re somehow different; the issue is the “conservative” is a euphemism.
The funny thing is how … not even far… rather how crazy IMHO it seem to have gone.
I like reading conservative stuff; I like being challenged in my opinions and thinking…
But browsing through r/conservative was an effing joke - all woo and no substance
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s just wild the takes I find whenever I stumble on one of these communities. Just no humanity
My question is why are they so mad about banning X links?
Because it harms Nazi daddy Elon
Off topic, but downvotes are not always an indication that a comment is of low quality.
How fucking hard would it be to spin up a Lemmy instance, you know? Conservatives too fucking stupid to buy hosting and run an install package lol
iirc there used to be a far right instance on Lemmy displaying Nazi imagery and shit, but they got defederated by almost everyone else and they’re either banned in Germany now or the instance is dead
I think that’s ExplodingHeads, they shutdown, now HilariousChaos is the newer friendlier ExplodingHeads even though they won’t admit it
You still need computer knowledge to do that
From my experience, people with computer knowledge are usually more progressive
Calling someone dumb because they cant do what is easy for you to do is dumb
From my experience, people with computer knowledge are usually more progressive
Let me tell you about a time long ago, when it was harder to get on the internet and no one had smartphones and the internet was populated by users who were a whole lot more intelligent and reasonable than what we see today.
I was there. I can verify that the abnormal insanity we see in our politics today began around the same time everyone started walking around with the internet in their hands.
They probably thought lemmy was to reddit what truth/gab was to twitter (pre-elon twitter that is), or if you’re memory is long enough, voat to reddit.
Like nah dude. Not all social media spinoffs are righties being mad they couldn’t drop n-bombs.
thats what I thought lemmy was for the longest before joining, just another voat
I too tried Voat way back in the day, part of a small Reddit exodus when they were removing Snowden articles in worldnews without explanation (back when the user base of Reddit still cared about moderator transparency), and I learnt quickly that if a platform advertises itself as “censorship free” or something along those lines, what they really mean is “we thrive on hate speech here.”
And after a few more years of checking out Reddit alternatives, I started to realise that basically all of them were “censorship free” and tailor made for trolls and bigots from banned Reddit communities like fatpeoplehate and jailbait.
By the time I heard about Lemmy, even though I didn’t get the impression that it was just another Voat, I was also kinda disillusioned about ever finding a good Reddit alternative at that point. So I didn’t bother trying.
And it has been a very pleasant surprise to find out how left wing it is here. That reputation is actually what made me try Bluesky before coming here and if I had known, I would’ve come here sooner. Finally an alternative that isn’t just r/conservative - the website. And not just that, a platform that isn’t full of ‘centrists’ that spend more time worrying about making sure the left wingers don’t swear too much, then worrying about the right wingers taking people’s rights away.
Fuuuuuuuck, that’s a site I haven’t thought of in a long time.
I’m here cuz the RedditAlternatives sub on Reddit sent me here. Said it was the most populated Reddit alternative. I thought “Ok, but is it a right wing cesspool”. Turns out it’s not and the discourse here is much better than on Reddit.
Fellow Reddit refugee here who saw a very similar (possibly the same) post. Opened my eyes to the fediverse and I’m happy I made the jump.
Yeah, i was pleasantly surprised how much better regulated conversations are here. Less vitriol and more tempered opinions and outlook, there is still emotional shouting but not nearly as much. Really like it.
To narcissists any attention is good attention.
They get the hint that they need to turn off displaying vote scores?
Users can have upvotes and downvotes disabled in settings so they are never see how many vote up or down.
In my mobile client I don’t see down votes and I like it that way. Today I logged in on my desktop and saw them. So I went through my comment history laughing for a while. I think I was down voted the most when I had something negative to say about neoliberals.
I am unbothered being down voted and think generally that the whole upvote tally can lead to groupthink in general. Being able to disable viewing them is a good design choice that could be made better being site | instance wide.
As a social experiment I wonder how much we have become accustomed to internet points as a form of self validation. If a large whole instance was segregated for a month or two and had disabled the voting tally, what would the engagement look like? Is it all ego driven?
I like that lemmy lets you see the upvotes and downvotes separately rather than just an aggregate like Reddit has. It’s hard to tell when you see something has 1 or zero votes what people generally think but it might turn out that you have 100 upvotes and 100 downvotes and it just happens to add up to zero but you hit on something that’s actually deeply controversial. That info is nice to have.
That is a good argument. It was nice to see that some of my comments were not universally liked and that some kind of broke even.
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Waaah waaah, Lemmy is a lefty ecochamber propaganda machine waaah waaah
What’s funny about people who say this, is they’re implying we’d have a better balanced perspective if we just accepted some Naziism into our lives.
Do you really perceive there to be nothing in between ‘leftism’ and Nazi? That extremes are all that exist? That the only people who aren’t a fan of one kind of echo chamber are those who want it to be a different kind of echo chamber?
Do you really perceive there to be nothing in between ‘leftism’ and Nazi?
Sure, but they’ve become irrelevant because there’s not enough of them.
In America right now the only factions that matter are the left and what are swiftly revealing themselves to be actual fucking Nazis/Fascists and their enablers, who, by extension, are fucking Nazis/Fascists.
Hey i’m just the guy that’s anti-Nazi. You must be the other guy.
If you’re not left, you’re wrong.
Despite popular belief among ideologues of all stripes, sanctimony and virtue are not the same thing.
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Unironically, since rightwing ideology generally requires basing your worldview on traditional values, which where based on flawed beliefs that where since disproven.
Left = introvert altruism. Right = extravert egoism.
They have Seidit, an old Reddit ripoff. I have seen a sub that is literally designed for one of those “magic” crystals…geez.
What was that other one from the exodus from the jailbait shit that ended up devolving into a cesspool of racism and sexism? That one was a wild ride. It’s almost like people with certain libertarian and conservative type values are all shitheads lol.
Was that voat? That one was initially promising, then almost immediately went to shit as all the worst people from reddit went there.
That was it!!! I even made an account there then quickly realized as many others did that the people who were exodusing Reddit were better off gone haha.
A lot of them have this sort of humiliation fetish so you can sometimes just bully them into the less shit opinion if you degrade them enough.
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t really mind them, for now. They are not that imposing and I like to see the other viewpoint occasionaly, as I don’t use other social networks. Makes me feel like I’m in less of a bubble here.
I’m okay with downvotes.
Agree they also seem to stay in their dens or get downvoted to oblivion in general threads
Homie I have been all over the internet and Lemmy has gotta be the worst lefty bubble/echo chamber I have ever seen.
Even in their own sub conservatives get downvoted into oblivion. If that’s not indictive of a heavy bias left I don’t know what is.
Im a left leaning moderate and I get downvoted constantly because I refuse to parrot the hivemind nonsense 24/7.
When I first got here I sorted everything by most commented and there was a thread someone made where they were asking if it was a good thing that the site was a massive lefty echo chamber. He got downvoted and anyone in the comments that had even a remotely moderate take was also downvoted.
I’m glad people like you still exist. I fear that the majority of the left just plugs their ears and starts screaming “LALALALA” the moment anyone challenges their view points even slightly. It’s extremely concerning behavior.
Please point to the down voted “moderate” comments.
because I refuse to parrot the hivemind nonsense 24/7
This sentence is the reason you get downvoted, but it’s not the reason you think.
What’s the reason you think I think it is and what’s the real reason?
You think it’s because you “Do not parrot the hive mind 24/7”
The real reason is because you ironically say things like “hivemind”.
Whatever you wanna call it. Hivemind, same think, group think, bubble, echo chamber and so on.
Whatever term won’t rub y’all the wrong way applies to most of the people on this site.
It’s their exact way of thinking or it’s “go away”.
Requiring Ideological Purity for anyone to join your “side” is not a good thing.
It’s their exact way of thinking or it’s “go away”.
That applies to anyone who uses terms like:
Hivemind, same think, group think, bubble, echo chamber and so on.
It’s a way for them to dismiss those that disagree with them by plugging their ears going “HIVEMINDHIVEMINDHIVEMINDHIVEMIND!”
If I am disagreeing with someone I am disagreeing with the individual and the arguments they are making. How many people agree or disagree with them is irreverent to the validity of the statements they are making. (See: Appeal to Popularity)
It’s intellectually lazy and serves no purpose other than giving an excuse to not mentally engage with other points of view. At which point why are you bothering to engage at all?
If I think a community is an echo chamber I’m not going to go in there to say “you guys are all in an echo chamber!” And expect that to go over well. I’m not going to waste my time going on Truth Social trying to find the handful of reasonable people in that community, I’ll just go somewhere else.…except I’m not pushing my way of thinking on anyone else? Nor will I stop speaking to them simply because we disagree on something.
I have never gone “well you’re in a hivemind so I’m gonna ignore you”. I do call out people who mindlessly repeat the same things as everyone else in their circles without taking any time to have their own critical thoughts about the things themselves.
I think there is value in telling people they are inside of an echo chamber because occasionally they take a step back and realize that they are. It’s rare but I see happen from time to time. I am willing to eat downvotes from the “hivemind” or whatever you want to call it if it means that something I said causes someone else to realize they are in a bubble and they start thinking for themselves or seek out other views to see where they actually fall on things. I’ve pulled several friends out of alt right dude bro circles over the last few years who were drowning in that particular tar pit of garbage.
It’s extremely concerning behavior.
So are mass deportations, Nazis performing Nazi salutes at presidential inaugurations, and Congressmen floating 3 term amendments to the Constitution.
I’d probably be a lot more open to other points of view if they weren’t presented by fascists and fascist enablers (also fascists).
More concerning than the guys doing nazi salutes and calling trans people groomers?
Forgive me if I like having one social media where most users are sane
Most of the users on this website are anything but sane. The grand majority are so disconnected from reality I actually thought it was a joke at first.
I’ve run into maybe 10 users that aren’t completely out of their mind.
Sounds like you like making up numbers and attaching them to things to support your points.
I… What? I’ve been on this app for 2 weeks and I have only run into a small handful of sane level headed moderate-ish people. The grand majority around here are so far off to the left that they can’t even see the center anymore simply due to the curvature of the fuckin planet.
I’ve been on this app for 2 weeks
Wow. Sounds like you have an abundance of experience.
See you’ve been digging through my other comments and leaving your own comments in those other threads. That’s the type of shit I’m talking about lol.
Y’all are just unhinged.
Also I noticed the extreme left bias within like an hour of scrolling around here. I didn’t see even one remotely moderate take in the comments for the first few days. Since then I’ve run into a few others, but every time I see their comments it’s already downvoted a bunch. It does help me identify people who aren’t completely lost to the lefty mind circus though so I guess that’s helpful.
Seriously, why are you here at all then? Even 4chan is better than “10 users that aren’t completely out of their mind”.
Mostly because 4chan is all just extremists. I would prefer to occasionally talk to some sane people vs zero sane people.
Grim worldview/situation, tbh.
I mean the internet invites extremism it seems. I blame the “anonymity” that many feel they can do or say whatever they want. I’m guilty of this at times as well I will say insulting things online that I would never say to someone in person. I try not to do it, but I’m not great about catching myself in the moment.
I have always tried to carry myself in such a manner that if my Internet accounts all somehow got hacked and shown to my parents they wouldnt really be surprised by anything I said.
I feel like most people would be mortified if their family saw their chat logs.
Even in their own sub conservatives get downvoted into oblivion
Maybe it’s because their arguments are fucking trash and childlike and there’s not enough bots on Lemmy to land them on the upvoted side of things, even in their own sub.
Most people welcome am end to the echo chamber. The vocal lemmings get quite irate about this subject, however.
How can you look at what is happening in the US and say they are not imposing?
Sorry, I meant they are not imposing here, on Lemmy. They are a minilority that often gets downvoted.
Also I try to not look at the US. It’s always extreme, like watching a bad reality show.
Right wingers regularly drive wedges into communities and weaponize their base to otherwise recruit from, control, or destroy them. You let those people in and they WILL become an imposition. This goes beyond the US.
Iamragesparkle’s barkeep story about Nazi’s was right.
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
Classic
right wing idealogy is inherently against the fediverse didnt they put ads in truth.social and it isn’t federated, thats what happens when conservatives find open source tech, they close it off and charge for it after adding ads.
I’m okay with downvotes.
There are almost none and this seems to be a popular opinion!
small c individual conservatives, sure. I count a few as my friends.
Big C Donald Trump, JD Vance, Musk, Bezos, Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss, Theresa May, Marine Le Pen etc? Fuck offff
Also known as aspiring nahtCs
Musk? Aspiring? We’re about 6 years past that point.
Old conservatism was people advocating for individual choice and less government intervention.
Misguided, sure, but a healthy check on expanding government into places it didn’t need to be and advocating for the “ideal” capitalism that drives competition and innovation.
For as long as it has existed conservatism has been poisoned by religion of and in the last 50 years it as a party line has descended into incoherence, but it’s interesting to see the best-faith arguments it has as a little contrast to my left wing bubble.
Actual conservatism is healthy and useful. I want part of my government to look at what laws and policies are being pushed and say, “should we be doing this?”, “Should it cost that much?”, “Do we have something that does this already?”.
Unfortunately, the label has been co-opted, and it no longer strives to create the smallest effective government, but the largest totalitarian government instead.
The problem is that that’s always been a mask in American conservativism. That’s the politics of George H.W. Bush, but even then he was CIA. Reagan was a result of the religious right and the call to unregulate capitalism. Nixon had a lot going on but was largely elected because the democrats had passed the Civil rights act pissing off the right and started the Vietnam War which pissed off the left, and in a statement that still shocks the party to this day you can’t win by appealing solely to the center. But regardless Nixon famously didn’t believe in a restrained use of government. W had the patriot act and was the pro state implemented torture era of conservativism in America. Eisenhower maybe was like that but he was president in a weird time period and the far right of his time was convinced he was a communist.
I’m firmly a supporter of political pluralism and I think that the conservativism you propose is a wonderful thing. And in the united states it’s a wing of the democratic party represented by folks like the Clintons. As it stands our national politics are particularly out of whack, but the rot is deep. To create a great America we have to think and act differently to strive to create a positive peace, equitable liberty, and shared senses of duty and hope
Old conservatism was defending the monarchy.
The whole “advocating for individual choice and less government intervention” thing was always a lie that they told to dupe rubes into thinking their ideology wasn’t elitist and abhorrent.
I appreciate the history. But any conservative in America in the past 100 years, except for a small few loonies, would scoff at the idea that their movement supports the monarchy. People advocating for individual choice and less government intervention still think they’re doing that no matter how much it boils your britches.
Unless you think that language is static and unchanging and has no connection to modern colloquial usage.
If you think that conservatism still means supporting the monarchy, then go for it, and replace whatever word you think I mean with every instance of the word conservative in this thread. I’ll be talking about the people the thread is talking about and you’ll be talking about a very small smidgen of the population.
I mean, this is actually very demonstrative of exactly what I meant when I talked about it being a good check on my left wing bubble.
Im wary of echo chambers and it’s so incredibly easy to find yourself in them nowadays. It’s always good to be around dissenting opinions and have discussions with the other side. Obviously there’s a limit with hostility and all that but assuming civility it is pretty much always better to not be completely surrounded with people that think just like you.
The constantly repeated echo chamber argument is honestly kinda just nonsense. To conservatives, anything outside of their echo chamber is one big echo chamber because it disagrees with them.
Obviously, if all you ever do is go online and talk to Marxist groups or something, that’s one thing. But really, all you need to do is be exposed to people from different backgrounds as you to break up any echo chamber effect. That’s why so many kids become more progressive in college - it’s often the first time they get out of the echo chamber of their hometown and are exposed to kids who don’t look like them and grew up under different circumstances. If you’re on Lemmy, odds are pretty good that you’re exposed to minorities and other people with different backgrounds than yours. Places like Lemmy are full of people from all over the world and from all walks of life with all kinds of different views. You don’t need to go out of your way to expose yourself to conservatives like you’re building up a tolerance for poison or something. You can get that just by checking the news or Twitter.
You make a good point but I think you are severely underestimating the amount of terminally online people around the country (and world). Obviously if you go outside of your echo chamber you will see other perspectives… I don’t think anyone would question that. The problem is many many people rarely go outside that circle and will in fact actively avoid going outside that circle. And you’re right again that lemmy is diverse in it’s userbase but to say that it’s not very heavily leaning to one side of the political spectrum and liable to become an echo chamber for many is pretty disingenuous imo. I mean just look at this thread.
Now Im not saying you are doomed to become some wacko sycophantic nutjob from an echo chamber. But you will undoubtedly only get certain sides of stories that may very well shape your points of view. It’s just something to be aware of is all.
Agreed. Lemmy feels very homogenous. A few dissenting viewpoints is healthy.
The keyword is viewpoint. The inherent problem with conservatism across the globe, but obviously in the US, is the “viewpoint” is anti-science, anti-common-sense, and at worst disconnected from their policies.
I think there’s a place on social media for people who believe tariffs could, over time and at great expense, bring manufacturing home and that some viewpoints want that. That’s a viewpoint to debate. I do not think there’s a place for people to deny climate change, there is no debate to be had there.
I think there’s a place for people who want to discuss immigration policies and how best to balance the need for immigrants, the want for immigrants, the assimilation of immigrants, and the quantity/quality of immigrants. There’s system design to be had there. I do not think there’s a place for hate speech and dehumanization of immigrants as if they’re bad people (or when they’re used as political weapons like “caravans” in the US or “Sharia law”).
It doesn’t matter if conservatives agree with fixing healthcare or being against the rich, their politicians are only interested in using those as talking points because their allegiance is to their biggest donors which is big healthcare and the rich.
Conservatives across the globe, from everything I’ve seen in my admittedly short lifetime, are either anti-science/progress, pro-hate and emotionbaiting, or obvious liars.
In the US there is no Republican AOC or Bernie Sanders at the national level - who obviously and vocally are fighting for the workers. In Germany (where I am now) it’s the conservative AFD party that is a neo-nazi party and it’s the conservative CDU party that flirts with giving them partial power just to maintain their own power. Side tangent, it’s the libertarian (read conservative-lite) FD party that sabotaged the left leaning coalition just last year.
The people that flirt with destruction and societal regression are the conservatives, so it’s important that if they are allowed on any platform that their viewpoints are moderated. At least until they can stop flirting with fascism and lethal policies like remigration.
Well said
like cartel designsted terrorists good, illegals going to be called cartel as an excuse to make them terrorists bad, conservatives miss the 2nd part we can agree on the first part
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I rarely ever read something so stupid.
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Lol, okay mods. Have fun losing to fascism when the “hardcore liberal” army forms.
I’ve never met a conservative that wasn’t a trash human if I dug deep enough.
Universally uninformed and hateful. Prerequisites for the ideology.
I was a conservative. I am not a trash human…um…I am also not remotely conservative anymore, so…hmmm. 🤔
I know conservatives that are alright. But they drank the koolaid…
I think a lot of them need an antidote more than exile. But it’s hard to find it for them…
They could be allies still.
How?
Find common ground. Most are gonna be laborers
Not sure I can find common ground with individuals who support felon rapists who illegally attempted to nullify 83 million American’s votes and is attempting to dissolve our federal government.
Some would call those individuals traitors.
Perspective is a hell of a drug. Once you do it you can never go back.
