Good to see in memes that the devide an conquer stategy works even after the election. /s
We are divided. We should stop being divided and vote for someone who advances working class representation.
Or if that option isn’t available, the person who at least won’t let the country devolve into an outright oligarchy faster than it already is.
That option has been available our whole lives.
And it’s still the most responsible one to choose.
Well, we’re here now, at least we got here slower.
Could have not happened at all but some of you decided you’d rather have fascism.
Imho, the US is a case study that a 2 party system can’t stop fachism, only slow it down like explodicle wrote.
I sincerly wish you all over there the best of luck that you come out of this the other way without irreperable damage and hopefully more wisdom for the future. Europe needed 2 world wars till things got better and now here too things are declining.
Just today the radio told me that our conservative party in Germany is now flirting with the outright faschist party and droping straight up racist comments and I can only hope that our multi party system punishes them for this. But I might stand corrected soon because there might just be too many awful or misled people on this world …
Sorry it diverged into a general depressed rant over the rise of faschism completly disconnected from tacticle vs non tacticle voting.
That hasn’t been a choice since before the '80s.
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Prrotest votersDemocratic partyIt’s nice of you to leal to Israel but that’s not what I was referring to.
There’s other policies that the Democrats could have absolutely pushed for. For instance reinstating the protection plans under the American relief plan that they allowed to expire in 2022. You know the thing they said massively reduce child poverty only for it to go immediately back up when those protections ended. I feel like that would have been a great place for the Dems to start. We’re talking basic fucking things like a Band-Aid fix on Healthcare would be enough to mobilize the base but they’re not even willing to do that. Kamalas pathetic approach to Home Care was to give first-time home buyers $12,000. This is stupid because nobody can afford a house or get the mortgage for the house because the banks aren’t satisfied with their debt to income ratio. Nothing about dealing with rent nothing about promising that linacon would stay on. Nothing about dealing with that internet driven rent demand bullshit from that company called real price. These aren’t leftist points either just broad liberal points.
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BlueMaga is a psyop and never existed.
Except…
The same thing would have happened with Harris… Harris fully supported Israel’s genocide.
If we don’t give the nation of Israel full control of the region, then we can’t fulfill the prophecy to bring end times!
The fact the other side is even worst doesn’t make your side less bad…
Good thing they got rid of Genocide Joe to pave the way Death dealing Donny
Bullshit. I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party that can only drive votes with threats of even worse. It’s pretty easy to not fund a genocide and lie and say it isn’t happening when it clearly is. Dems can blame only themselves for poor turnout.
There were no “threats,” just pointing out real shit…
Vote for me or you get Trump
That’s a threat, don’t pretend to be stupid
No, it was an appeal to common sense, which apparently an absolutely terrifying number of Americans lack.
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… you know that’s really an apt comparison. Never thought about it that way but really it’s like a trolley problem except it is their job to shout for people to come up and pull the lever.
It’s no surprise they had trouble finding volunteers.
The bigger problem was that when you brought up domestic genocides before the election, it got handwaved away as you not caring about Palestinians and also dismissed as not going to happen. I saw this over and over on Lemmy, along with the ludicrous idea that once a genocide has started, it literally can’t get worse because genocide is genocide.
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No need to astroturf when there are a huge number of self-righteous people who think the only cause that matters is their cause.
I do have to wonder how many of the people who earnestly bought the whole “a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide” people ever talked to a Palestinian in their lives, let alone asked them what they thought of that idea.
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yeah when the choice is between horrible and double super extra horrible, it’s hard to get really motivated to vote for horrible….
I guess that’s true if you’re not used to being an adult. As an adult I can verify that a pretty common aspect of being an adult is minimizing fallout by making intelligent decisions.
Turns out, there’s a lot of children trapped in adult bodies in the U.S.
I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
So what? You still did the right/smart thing.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party
A failed party with a history of voting in favor of the middle/lower classes, who have provided affordable healthcare, strengthened worker rights/unions, lowered prescription drug costs, banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports, invested in clean energy, placed regulations on companies harming our environment, etc etc etc?
When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It’s not like it’s the first time in history that’s happened.
When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It’s not like it’s the first time in history that’s happened.
Both are true at the same time. She failed to condemn a genocide. Are you telling me that you think all those students protesting didn’t matter?
Yeah, I voted blue, but I knew this was going to happen regardless of who won.
At least with the blue team they’re less likely to bend to protests…red team will just send the boots to step directly on you.
That’s why politics for ordinary people needs to go way beyond voting.
If voting isnt enough it means politics is basically inaccessible to those struggling just to make ends meet. With what time does a starving man get to meet with their representative, which representative would even give him an audiance.
Sure, if you’re on the edge of survival then that comes first. But I don’t think that’s the case for most people engaged in this conversation. Very few people in developed countries are literally starving.
But you’re right that this is unfair to people who pouring all of their energy into basic survival. In a better, more liberated world of the future, I hope voting will be sufficient. But that’s just not the world of today. We live in a world where we got to choose between two candidates who both favored materially supporting the murder of thousands of Palestinian children. Between killing the biosphere slowly or quickly. Between brazen corruption or discrete corruption.
That’s not a world where voting is anywhere close to enough.
But this is also why I think mutual aid is the single most important political action right now. If we can provide for and protect our community, this builds up our power naturally and gives those people experiencing hardship a chance to participate as well. And once we are united we are unstoppable.
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What the fuck are you saying?
both sides are the same
That I didn’t vote because I knew trump was worse? I voted.
the threats didn’t come from the dems. they came from the magats.
“We’re fighting fascism,” or whatever they were saying. They didn’t convince enough people to vote for them.
you make it sound easy but agreements between nations are anything but that. last time I checked both the dems and repubs were running the government…how convenient of you to forget that.
Regan called the head (premiere, president, I don’t know) of Israel to tell them to calm down and the did. I’m not forgetting things. You don’t know history.
Again:
agreements between nations are anything but that
Wait did I forget how he took us out of the Iran deal to limit their nuclear program?
Grow up.
Wait did I forget how he took us out of the Iran deal to limit their nuclear program?
That is the exact opposite of how it works. The deal limited their progress, Trump canceling the deal gave them free reign to continue unimpeded.
Democrats are mentally incapable of even considering the possibility that their losing to Trump two out of the three times they’ve ran the exact same campaign and candidate is their own responsibility. No, it must be the *checks notes* people who wanted them to be a little more critical of killing Arabs who are responsible. Wonder who you’ll blame when Trump inevitably runs for a third term and you decide to copy/paste your campaign strategy and candidate because you’ve learned abso-fucking-lutely nothing. I’m betting “people who don’t worship trillionaires enough”, because we’ll have some by then.
Maybe the political party should have conformed to the pressure of the people who vote in its party. Just saying.
Trump claiming credit for ceasefire and then destroying the region was always Bibi’s plan. The propalestine protestors were against the administration for refusing to acknowledge that the israeli’s were not negotiating in good faith. Had they played hard ball things might have been different.