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Summary
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Elon Musk after he made a gesture during Trump’s inauguration resembling a Nazi salute.
Musk and his allies dismissed the comparison, calling such accusations exaggerated.
Ocasio-Cortez, however, called the gesture unacceptable, emphasizing America’s history of opposing Nazis and the Confederacy.
She also condemned the Anti-Defamation League for defending Musk, accusing it of losing credibility.
Her comments sparked broader debate on symbols, gestures, and their implications amid Trump’s return to office.
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I wish that were true
I hate people that side with corporations over unions. People like AOC.
Stop. Stop this insanity. That woman is standing up for you. Whether or not you care you’ll never match it, so just stop.
Meh. 25% or so love them, another 25% couldn’t be bothered to care.
25% of people who couldn’t be bothered to care are still considered Nazis as far as I know
Nobody could have predicted him to be a bad person. Really, that came as a surprise for everyone 🤡
You think the numbers are that low? I’d say tops only 33% of the US still hates nazis. The remainder are split between loving them or being indifferent
i never realized that in the final battle between the forces of good, evil, and indifference that the indifferent would be by far the largest and most dangerous faction
I know it’s crazy
i guess the ancestors tried to tell us about the banality of evil, how badethings happen when good men do nothing, and that the path to hell is paved with good intentions
Really? Because it always has been. Or did you forget the classic quote “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”
Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
-Martin Luther King Jr
He got it
Ohh, sick rip bruh, he’ll never recover from that!
I wish that were true but here we are with President Musk giving a Nazi salute and Americans said, “yeah, this feels right”.
The US also let neo-nazis march on the streets without contest.
This is an unpopular opinion with .world mods, but I believe nazis should be dealt with immediately.
By “dealt with”, I don’t suppose you mean inviting them in for tea and cake?
I’d love for them to come for tea and cake. Much easier than delivering it.
Yah, they should. A good fascist is a dead one
In a very permanent fashion.
I want to go to that bar. An ass-kicking nazi-hating bartender who doesn’t want to chat me up. Absolute heaven.
Fuck yeah, that’d be my local, 100%
Where are the 2A nutjobs now?
This is literally what they’ve been waiting for. Pick up your guns and go deal with Nazis right here on the American mainland. In the White House.
Where are the 2A nutjobs now?
They’re the Nazis
The 2A nutjobs are the neo-nazis.
Behold the one prominent US politician with any principles.
And for that she will never be allowed near any real power…
You for got Sanders
We do t deserve Bernie
Only time I think I ever really got triggered about politics was when a friend of mine mentioned voting against Sanders just because he felt condoms shouldn’t be included in universal health care, no other reason.
No other reason they were willing to say out loud.
Lmao, talk about single issue…
Abortion? Nah. Condoms.
He’s old AF, and a good person. He’ll probably die seeing the country he tried so hard to save slide into full on fascism. He deserves more than that.
We really need him to go full on windy tits and call for action. I’m exactly one Bernie blessing away from being a radical.
If you’re one away, consider it had. We are running out of luxuries here.
I’m very much a team player.
There’s a few more, but she’s the most charismatic. It’s a shame too, they tend to win more than their moderate counterparts during midterm races.
It’s one of the reasons reactionaries hate her so much.
And also that she’s a woman of color who didn’t stay “in her place.”
And it’s so annoying to hear liberals parrot the same shit because the conglomerates who own liberal media don’t want to change the status quo.
Do we though? Do we really, truly, hate Nazis? The evidence so far is not that conclusive.
I hate Nazis, but I don’t think the country as a whole hates Nazis.
Well, you certainly used to, judging by the efforts and sacrifices 80 years ago, but there’s certainly a lot of evidence to indicate a lot of Americans of today think you were on the wrong side back then.
You may want to reread some history, there were plenty of Nazi sympathizers and collaborators (read: nazis) in the US back then too.
Oh I’m well aware, but push came to show and the better minds prevailed, back then, and as a result, so did the country.
I’m not convinced the outcome would’ve been the same today.
The saying is “if push comes to shove” ie if shit gets real /escalates.
English is not my native tongue, and I knew I was on thin ice with that one…
Not a big deal, I just prefer knowing if I make a mistake in my second language so I don’t keep making it.
It’s actually “on thin eyes”, i.e people are watching you closely.
Nah just fucking with ya.
It’s good that he’s not taking his ESL for granite.
And then those better minds snapped up as many Nazi scientists they could and put them to work for “the good guys”, and burnt a few crosses.
See, that’s the issue though, you say they “think you were on the wrong side”… but they don’t think. They put on a hat with the team colors and just thoughtlessly repeat the chants as the organist plays the fight song.
is “rips” the new “slams”?
We used to kill Nazis.
Now we cheer them, shrug them off, or make excuses for them.
This nation is pathetic.
I wonder how many conservative’s ancestors fought the Nazis and now they’re voting for Nazis.
Hey 2A enthusiasts. This is the moment you’ve been saying you need your guns for your entire pathetic lives. Where you at?
Kill Nazis. Kill Nazi CEOs twice.
Nazis used to be flesh and blood. Now they’re phantoms
Those phantoms are in our government and marching in our streets.
Assuming you’re American, you do understand the irony of America taking in the most nazi elite and scientists for their own personal projects right? Also if you read mein kampf you’ll find it fascinating how much he was inspired by American legalised racism and ethnic cleanings. America is a nation built like how Israel was, through ideological and legalized genocide, racism, fascism and racism. I’m starting to comprehend how the soviet did the real nazi killing and suffered the real consequences of the Nazis unlike America.
Yeah, the people who see this as a significant deviation from the norm aren’t exactly incorrect, but I wonder to what degree they really understand the total history and scope of america as it has existed for basically all of it’s span. What we’ve done, in this country.
WW2 was between Russians and Germans. All the other stuff was barely a side character subplot compared to the Eastern front.
For example, in the Western front the German forces dealt more casualities to US and UK troops than the Allies did to the Axis by quite a lot too. Reading stories and diaries of American troops they would remark how astonishing it is that their German POWs were all either very young, or very old, either way remarkably unfit for combat. German command in the Western front was in shambles, because the vast majority of their efforts were going to the Eastern front. More Germans died in the battle of Stalingrad alone than in the entirety of the Western front. There were sieges in the Baltics that made Omaha Beach seem like a pretty lucky bet. The Belarusian grassroots genocide by Germans is hardly talked about, yet were just as brutal as they were against jews. The Siege of Leningrad is the type of nightmare fuel, hell on earth that Spielberg would never dream of touching. The West puts so much self importance about their fight against the German Nazi Machine, meanwhile it was the communists who did all the work while Western capitalists profited every step of the way since the beginning. And as you pointed out, America had and still has a strong Nazi following, also curiously backed by billionaires.
Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it’s up to Russia and China to stop them again.
EDIT - Just wanted to point out that a lot of the horrors of the Eastern front is equally blamed on Stalin too, Baltic people hate Germany and Russia the same for WW2. Every side of WW2 sucked horrendous ass, and nobody won in WW2 (except for capitalists)
Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it’s up to Russia and China to stop them again.
I was expecting hexbear or .ml for this sort of claim
Who do you think will stop them then? Are you counting on Americans to “rise up” like the average German moderate in the 1930’s did?
Oh I have no idea, I was just enjoying tankiness of the statement
I don’t get it though, I don’t even read Marx. The fact that it was Russia and China who stopped fascists last time, and might have to do it again because the West is doing the opposite of stopping fascism, how is that Marxist? It’s literally what happened.
You have no idea how “Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it’s up to Russia and China to stop them again.” sounds tankie as fuck?
That moment for 2A enthusaists came when Alabama banned abortion (before Roe v. Wade was overturned) and when Trump was putting children in cages. They didn’t then… they were the Nazis all along. The same people who just wanted to be the Brownshirts, but with their own personal firearms and not something issued to them.
We’re seeing a similiar bullshit in Israel with West Bank illegal ‘settlers’ carrying M4 pattern rifles with them to the ‘homes’.
Hey 2A enthusiasts. This is the moment you’ve been saying you need your guns for your entire pathetic lives. Where you at?
They’re apparently calling for gun control in the threads discussing LGBTQ+ people arming themselves.
Sounds like they’re still cowards. Well, at least they’re consistent. Enemies that are consistent are easier to study and destroy.
As an LGBTQ+ person who supports the NRA and believes we need substantially more guns in America and to repeal all gun regulation, I really hope all LGBTQ+ and allies not only are armed, but realize the benefit of owning a variety of firearms.
Since conservatives are trying to say some or all LGBTQ+ people are mentally ill, and mental illness is often used to justify disarming people, it’s really important for LGBTQ+ people to be aware of these issues.
In the US, gender dyphoria is classified as a mental illness under the DSM and so technically any trans person who has seen a doctor is mentally ill and not allowed to own guns.
Therefore, trans people will hopefully realize the important of being armed prior to disclosing their trans status to a doctor and decent people should do their best to not only the discredit the DSM as the pseudointellectual biased phrenologyesque crock of shit that it is, but also to have gender dysphoria removed as a psychiatric issue and labeled for what it is, a medical issue resulting from brain differences that requires treatment.
LBGTQIA+ folks aren’t magical unicorns… They can have garbage takes just like anyone else.
You support the NRA?
You want to repeal all gun regulation?
Defend both of those immediately or show yourself here as a troll aiming to sow discord along an oddly narrow path.
if you look at my post history, which is filled with unmitigated pro 2A pro-NRA posts, you’ll see I’m not a troll.
We would live in a much more polite society if everyone were armed.
The fact that 2A can be limited if a person gets diagnosed with depression makes it more likely people, especially men, avoid mental health treatment (and then eventually commit suicide).
Gender dyphoria is considered a mental illness and is already a potential large attack surface for conservatives to disarms trans people (to use a software metaphore).
The NRA is in favor of repealing needless pointless gun regulations which ahve horrible secondary effects and reduce the safety of all.
I also disagree that all LGBTQI+ people take out the garbage.
But We love Jews, But Jews love Reps. But alt right reps hate Jews.
Are you sure about that?
This is America.
Well yeah but AOC has darker skin, therefore dirty immigrant. Elon Musk of course is lighter and has more money so he’s a trueborn American and his opinion matters.
Just don’t look up where either of those people were born.
