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Who cares
I get it, why give him any attention. But this is not about him–it’s about the protest this time. That’s fine by me, let’s get people going!
Yeah that’ll show him. I’m sure he’s gonna lose a ton of sleep over the miniscule amount of traffic that’s going to drop for his shitty website that he bought and drove into the ground.
Wait actually he cares way too much about how people view him so it might actually bother him a ton. It’s hard to say really.
Either way stop using Twitter and reddit. Both terrible.
And block all their domains/IP ranges too. People really need to understand how third party tracking works.
Nah, they’re not big on non-compliance. So consider an uprising. Spez wants to play with a big oligarchs, he won’t take a chance on pissing anyone off.
Lemmy instances should follow suit.
De-centralized as long as you go with what I say…
Here we go. If let’s just say all the instances came together and did the same ban because some hivemind mentality had taken over. It would metaphorically be centralized again. The chances of that happening-probably zero.
How can you have been on Lemmy longer than me yet have such a fundamental misunderstanding of centralized/non-federated vs decentralized/federated?
You’re perfectly free to go on Lemmy instances that don’t have that as a rule.
I’m not sure you understand what decentralized means.
I’ve thought that since they started locking almost everything behind a login
Disagree, but I also almost never follow them anyway. I pretty much only follow a link if I think it’s to a first party article or something.
I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet
Dbzer0 took a vote and will block it from their instance I believe
I just added it as a rule for the communities I moderate. I also set my Bluesky feeds to filter out X links.
Fucking preformative liberals, instead of attacking the systems of exploitation that harm the community they virtue signal for they focus on the temporarily manufactured villains.
If you can’t have everything, you’d prefer nothing? Isn’t that the same logic that got us a second trump term?
What got us a second Trump term was the Dems acting like they are owed votes, instead of acting like they need to earn votes.
No the logic that got us a second trump term is “we can move as far to the right as we want, and as long as we’re second worst, people will have no choice but to vote for us.”
I mean, both of u are right
No again, what got Trump elected was a complacency that the population was at heart clear thinking and aware of the exploits of the world.
Democrat complacency in their politicians gave us trump, as much as Hillary Clinton did.
Incrementalists learn like they do anything else: they fucking don’t.
So… what?
In your ideal world nazi sites wouldn’t be blocked?
What are you even arguing here?
There is no world in which refusing to use a site run by a nazi is a bad thing.
I’m arguing liberals have the memory of a goldfish and will forget it the next time something else comes up. This is #resist 2.0, purely performative.
Still better than nothing. I don’t see how complaining about a good thing gets us anywhere. And also it screams bad mental health. You ok, bro?
Got it, there’s no point in ever fighting them since we might not fight them at some unspecified point in the future, we should just all welcome and embrace Nazis. Thanks for letting us know how to move forward.
They are not fighting anything, if they were they would have fought it from the beginning instead of accepting small doses of fascism.
Got it, everyone just give up and walk willingly into the camps. Thanks for letting us know how to move forward.
We are currently living in Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World where even the mention of breaking free from the chains is met with resistance. Liberals would rather dose their Soma than allow meaningful change to happen.
Yes, we already established that you think everyone should give up and walk willingly into the camps. Where do we meet you?
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Yeah, fuck Reddit. They are part of the problem.
To be fair, Reddit bans everyone for everything now
Don’t do it as a “protest.” Do it as the new norm. Xitter has no worth and should be relegated to the porta-potty of time.
Wow, “super effective” now the big boss of neo-fascism is in trouble with this. We will now beat them. Next week no one will talk about it anymore
So, your stratagy is nukes or go home? You just want one decisive move to win, otherwise why bother?
When a baby is born it doesn’t just run out of the womb and poop in a toilet. First it slides out. Many months later it starts crawling. Then slowly walking. Then walking. Then running. Then potty training. THEN it can run to a toilet to poop.
But by your logic, oh well, can’t run to a toilet on day 1. Best just not to be born.
Oh that’ll fucking show em
Twitter probably benefits from people being redirected to their site from repostings with how it has become the go to source for news like sports, so it might. Won’t hurt Elon financially but less people being exposed to the content there that Elon wants to push that don’t actively use Twitter is a good thing even if it is only a few.
Even small moves is a good thing with how over the years sports and game submissions have become increasingly more Twitter submissions.
Twitters value has already been going down the shitter thanks to shit leadership, this is just another nail.
The less its posts are shared, the less its relevance is to the world. I can’t see that as a bad thing. It always baffled me how outsize Twitter’s influence was on world events/news while having 1/5th the active userbase of Facebook.
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Some Lemmy communities already have.
I’ve seen that the Playstation and Nintendo communities have both banned it recently.
If this is what it took they were just lazy before. This has been CLEARLY where he is pushing things for a long time now. Twitter is in the Xhitter.
And so begins the stun lock. Genius move actually with adversaries so predictable
Those are rookie numbers!
Here on Lemmy, people who claim to advocate for freedom of speech and information, demanding for information shared on social networks to be controlled, shutdown and people to be censored based on unknown and ambiguous criteria, without even understanding the implications of it.
Details at six
He’s a nazi. There’s no space it civil society for nazis.
Wat
100, I get more dislikes here than I ever did on Reddit.
Downvotes are not a form of censorship.
Also, that sounds like a you problem, not an “us” problem.
I know downvotes aren’t censorship. Not really, I saw the change happen in real time. I was on Twitter before it was run by Feds.
Weird tangent, but ok
Look, I’m all for freedom of speech. I’m nearly as close to an absolutist as they come.
This is an example of a protest. Nobody is restricting anybody’s speech. They aren’t banning Musk-supporters. They aren’t censoring Trumpers. They are specifically banning links to a website owned by a billionaire who did a Nazi salute at an event where hundreds of millions if not billions of people would witness him.
Not to worry, you’re simply confusing freedom of speech with obliging private actors to consume content they don’t want to consume or disagree with. The first is a fundemental principle of democratic legal systems and recognized as a perempotry norm under international law. The second is authoritarianism.
There’s a growing number of legally illiterate people who think freedom of speech is absolute and even affords one the right to oblige others consume their speech through the government. That is fundamentally wrong and a complete misunderstanding of how these key principles of freedom work and have always worked in modern democratic systems.
Newsflash - freedom of speech is not absolute. Never has been. There are very specific, explicitly codified limitations. Why? Because words are the most powerful weapons and can be used to target and threaten the freedoms of other people, including their freedom to life. Which is why rights and obligations are always balanced against each other, following the principle of proportionality.
If you feel so strongly about not being able force others to consume content they don’t want to consume, then I have bad news for you - you are opposing democracy. But it seems like you, and many other like you, are just confused, rather than actively promoting anti-democratic standpoints. The truly sad part? The impact is the same regardless of intent.
Edit: Want to know more? Details at 6.
It’s so typical to see 90% good argument and 10% insult the OP & half the country. If believers stuck to the 90% good argument and left out the insults you’d win a lot of followers.
The sky is blue and I think OP is a moron. The second part doesn’t make the first untrue, it also doesn’t make it an ad hominem argument.
Half the voters(not country) are a bunch of gullible clowns and calling them out is just an observation.
I don’t want any followers or believers. Calling it as I see it. That is all.
Existence of mods goes against the concept of freedom of speech. People aren’t prevented from directly using Twitter themselves. They’d be on 4chan if they wanted something as close to an unfiltered internet.
We wouldn’t be on our respective instances that have blocked off entire instances and communities if we wanted to consume unfiltered internet content.
What does freedom of speech have to do with independent subreddits deciding they don’t want to serve content from a private company they don’t agree with?
That’s easy, freedom of speech means you can say what I want but not what you want, and it applies everywhere including in my dreams. So if you say something I don’t like in my dreams I can criminally charge you and take you to hell in a cell.
Edit: Thought this would be obvious satire, but here we are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s easy if they have no idea what “freedom of speech” actually means and what it actually allows. The phrase at face value is nothing like the constitutionally protected action. They are too ignorant to know that.
A more fractured internet is coming. Posting sources will be forbidden. Discourse will become more polarized, disconnected, and extreme.
Most of these Reddit bans on Twitter are also half assed. They still allow screenshots of Twitter posts. That means the content is still spread, and Twitter remains relevant.
Lots of these subreddits don’t even get a lot of Twitter links in the first place. Like for lotrmemes it makes zero difference.
That said, Musk and Twitter suck. I have deleted my Twitter account three years ago.
However there still is some information, where Twitter is a good source.
Most of these Reddit bans on Twitter are also half assed. They still allow screenshots of Twitter posts. That means the content is still spread, and Twitter remains relevant.
I wholeheartedly agree. I personally got fed up trying to make a new account recently where I got shadowbanned, where there’s accounts that steal posts from the past and repost them as new just to farm karma and they stay up despite bots detecting them as spam/reposts.
My point is if they’re looking to enforce something they should not do it in a half-assed way.
Lots of these subreddits don’t even get a lot of Twitter links in the first place. Like for lotrmemes it makes zero difference.
That’s not true. Gondor uses Twitter instead of beacons to call for aid now.
If we like it or not, twitter is still the most important social network for journalisst and thinktankers.
Twitter has always been the red headed step child of social media. It had outsized cultural importance because most people consumed it via screenshot, not actually browsing the site. The reach of an individual twitter user is greatly augmented by their reach on other social platforms via screenshot
And sports. Sports alone is enough to drive Twitter.
Your right it is where all the journalists post and Substack is a second. Which I can see Reddit banning. Probably not the best to get news from Reddit anymore.
However there still is some information, where Twitter is a good source.
I agree. There are some great OSINT posters that share all sorts of information you won’t find anywhere else. For example when Israel struck back at Iran after the initial wave of missiles and drones- it was a guy on twitter who geolocated and found the satellite images of what they hit.
And that information directly contradicted the Israeli official narrative. You won’t find it on NY Times. You won’t find it on Washington Post. Hell, you’d have a hard time finding it here or on reddit. That’s just one example, there’s a wealth of live data about Russia v Ukraine as well. One thing I’ve really learned the last 3 years since 2022 is that the mainstream media will completely lie to you. It isn’t just bias, it’s outright lying. So people online who are dedicated to the truth and provide receipts, I find, is a breath of fresh air. It allows humans without privileged information to go online and actually see with their own eyes what is happening on the ground. It’s something that frankly hasn’t been the case for any time in human history. Although I think it’s going to be a short window of time that will be true.
I think Twitter has progressively been becoming more censored. For now, most people are more or less ignored if you aren’t talking about the hot topics- but I think very soon anything against official US narrative will be banned. Same thing with Facebook, Tiktok, etc.
We’re seeing the social media sites align themselves with the US government in preparation for the next global war. The first thing to go in war is the truth. Soon there will be a giant firewall and we won’t be able to see content from overseas. Initially people will be able to use VPNs and other methods and then eventually that will be met with criminal charges.
mainstream media will completely lie to you
Mainstream media doesn’t care to research thoroughly and rarely have journalists who actually understand the topic they’re reporting on. It’s not lies, just superficial sloppy work mostly.
Journalists rarely dig through OSINT themselves. They will ask an Possibly biased expert who actually reads and is able to interpret OSINT. Then the journalist will only understand half and misunderstand another part. The cite some quotes from the expert that then make for an article with a clickbaity headline. Only if you‘re very lucky the journalist will review the OST themselves or even show the source directly in their reporting. It’s surprisingly rare that journalists speak the language of the country they’re reporting about.
Not all is great with OSINT, as it’s full of selection bias, rumors, unconfirmed information, and people with agendas.
I feels like bizarro world if you fall somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum or don’t really care about politics. Seems their are only two extremes and you have to drink the cool-aid of whatever site you’re on or be suppressed. Whether you agree or disagree the push to ban twitter/x from all the sports subs was definitely a coordinated operation. Very troubling to me to see this kind of mass manipulation going on… these sports subs should have nothing to do with politics but maybe I’m the delusional one. I don’t know.
That’s how protests work. Just because you are not affected, does not mean you should not participate. Any subreddit participating is probably trying to show they are anti-nazi, and/or they support the efforts of the others in the platform.
Of course it causes trouble for users, but sadly that’s what Twitter has become and it deserves this hate. None of this would have happened if Elon truly advocated for freedom of speech, instead of using his power to push his right-wing beliefs.
I am proud that there are still some mods in Reddit that take the risk of protesting. I was afraid they got removed on the previous Reddit protest, about pricing changes.
Adding to that, not caring about politics probably means going with the flow and not reacting. Which, in today’s capitalist world, usually means supporting big corporations by using their services, just because everyone else use them.
If you are implying that the ignorant or unwilling should be forced participants in a protest, I would strongly disagree with that statement. I also am seeing a lot of rhetoric that not participating or simply not agreeing with a ban implies you are either a supporter of musk or Nazism… This sort of line in the sand statements are counterproductive, inflammatory, divisive and frankly ignorant.
There is no risk on reddit with such a protest considering the political lean. I don’t use twitter because I personally I hate the way conversations and ‘information’ is structured as well as the content. I don’t also don’t have an issue with subs/admins or even the whole platform banning twitter. What I do have are serious concerns about the mechanisms behind the ban and the further echo chambering of the site. To me, it’s better to have non quality info/sources available and downvote it than to just ban it.
I did see a sub called fullmoviesonyoutube or something where a mod soloed the ban. Pretty amusing to read the user comments in that one
