• @Zozano@aussie.zone
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    506 months ago

    Fun fact:

    The Bible says everyone goes to heaven at the same time. So I guess the souls just chill out until the rapture happens?

    • @prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      86 months ago

      I think that’s the Dispensationalist view, but I’m not sure how much of that is explicitly supported by Biblical text. Someone could correct me if I’m wrong.

    • Darth_Mew
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      156 months ago

      heaven is not a place you go. it’s a state of you, your surroundings and the world. we create it not get taken to it. that’s the hard part people don’t get. NO ONE IS COMING TO SAVE US, WE WILL NOT BE MAGICALLY TELEPORTED ANYWHERE

      • @Zozano@aussie.zone
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        36 months ago

        Of course I won’t be teleported, I’ll just slowly ascend into the sky, where the oxygen thins out, and I eventually freeze solid in the vacuum of space.

      • @Zink@programming.dev
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        36 months ago

        As much as this sounds negative, the optimistic nihilist in me sees it as a beautiful liberating realization.

        • Darth_Mew
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          26 months ago

          it’s not negative. be in charge of your own destiny and stop giving hope to a false idea

          • @Zink@programming.dev
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            16 months ago

            Yeah that’s what I was getting at. But so many people are conditioned to think the opposite. Say those last couple sentences to a random Christian in my town and they will think it’s the darkest and possibly most hateful shit they’ve heard in a long time.

            • Darth_Mew
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              16 months ago

              that’s because they arent Christians, just use the name

    • @andros_rex@lemmy.world
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      156 months ago

      The Bible says everyone goes to heaven at the same time.

      I don’t think that’s clear in the text, and that’s historically been a major point of theological contention. I think the debate in the US 1800s over “soul sleep” and the affiliated quasi-cults that sprung up after the Millerite movement (Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovahs Witnesses) had very strong opinions on whether you go to heaven immediately, stay “asleep” in the ground until God starts resurrecting people, wait in some kind of cosmic waiting room for the resurrections, or if you are just flat out dead until God wakes you up. (Of course, JW’s are so committed to bad exegesis that they’ll die rather than receive a blood infusion, because “don’t eat animal blood” in the ritual purity laws of course means “don’t receive human blood infusions.”)

      Think about Mormon baptism for the dead. Those people aren’t in heaven or hell (because at least the lower kingdoms of heaven aren’t even set up yet - all of us non-Mormons are going to be hanging out on Earth 2.0 when we die). Mormons are experts at genealogy because they’re trying to make sure that every great-great-great-great-grandparent they have gets a chance at salvation.

      • Darth_Mew
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        16 months ago

        hard pill to swallow but we get reincarnated over and over again there are no souls in the ground or “cosmic waiting room”. we are forced back until we “build heaven on earth”

        • @andros_rex@lemmy.world
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          46 months ago

          That might be your belief system, but it has little to do with the text of the Bible and historical/modern ideas of its interpretation.

          • Darth_Mew
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            16 months ago

            idc about modern interpretations. believe what you want no skin off my back

            • @andros_rex@lemmy.world
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              How did you arrive at your belief system? I don’t really see any textual support for your beliefs in the Bible (which is fine, but it seemed like you were making claims based in a Christian framework from context). Are you on here to proselytize?

    • @_stranger_@lemmy.world
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      146 months ago

      Yeah, they hadn’t figured out relativity yet back then. The soul departs the body at the speed of light, meaning everyone who does reaches heaven instantly. Since it’s so far away, from our perspective, it takes essentially forever thanks to time dilation.

      You can trust me, I have a PhD in bullshit.

        • @nickiwest@lemmy.world
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          46 months ago

          John of Patmos would like a word with you:

          And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

          • Revelation 21:21, KJV

          Here’s the full chapter for context. There may be some room for arguing whether the “new Jerusalem” is Heaven. But since it’s pretty clear that God lives there, I think it fulfills the same general purpose.

          • @Zozano@aussie.zone
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            Well shit lol.

            I guess I was conflating the pearly gates with the idea of St. Peter, and a queue of people - that part isn’t in there.

    • @MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca
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      46 months ago

      A plain reading suggests that everyone is dead and stays that way until the eschaton when they’re resurrected. So the only people in heaven would be the Jewish souls that Jesus directly put there that had been dwelling in the gloomy underground afterlife.

      • Echo Dot
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        286 months ago

        Well there’s a spectrum isn’t there and everybody puts their marker just slightly ahead of what they like. Unless you go full furry, in which case I guess you don’t have any use for the marker

      • @stephan262@lemmy.world
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        76 months ago

        I’ll accept that argument as long as they are normal women who wear cat themed accessories and act like a cats. But if we’re talking full anime cat human hybrids, then I’m afraid you’re in furry town.

      • KillingTimeItself
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        36 months ago

        i mean, technically by the most barebones definition of the word, they are anthropomorphic, and do technically count as “furry”

        if you’re looking for a “harkness” test here, e621 allows humanoid characters, i.e. catgirls, therefore catgirls are in fact, furry.

      • @Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de
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        16 months ago

        Humans are apes, and therefore we’re all ape furries. Since catgirls are girls, and girls are human, and humans are all ape furries, catgirls are furries.

      • @LePoisson@lemmy.world
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        56 months ago

        Man I called that, along with probably a ton of others, from the very first episode. Still, the writers did such a good job with it I was not disappointed that the very obvious twist indeed was the twist.

        Also for some reason, not sure if it’s just my app (Sync) but your spoiler tags didn’t work right. Idk why you have >!spoiler and not just >! Like if it’s my app making it display wrong or that breaks the tag beats me.

        Could also, maybe more likely, be the end tag being --!< That might fuck up the syntax.

        • @Okokimup@lemmy.world
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          66 months ago

          I use Sync, and have learned that our spoilers don’t work for other users and their spoilers don’t work for us.

          • @LePoisson@lemmy.world
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            56 months ago

            That’s kind of wild I wonder what is going on in the code for that to be the case. I don’t know how that works under the hood as far as that goes.

      • @jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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        326 months ago

        Gambling is bad because of the consequences of gambling when you have finite resources to lose. I assume that any form of heaven is post-scarcity so betting is done just for recreational purposes.

          • @Zink@programming.dev
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            26 months ago

            Similar to how they think god is like a father or king but nice, plus obviously the smartest and strongest and best at everything and can totally beat up YOUR dad?

        • @stetech@lemmy.world
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          86 months ago

          One could argue that any form of addiction ought to be avoided on principle if your goal is to remain “pure”

          • @Linedotdatdot@lemmynsfw.com
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            86 months ago

            Look, all I’m saying is: if Jesus died for our sins and you aren’t committing any, then I guess I just want to know why you insist on making his death be in vain? I mean, I know if I was to go through a whole ass crucifixion and everything I would like to think it was at least worth it

      • Fuck spez
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        6 months ago

        From such a wholesome username, too. Half way to the inverse of a RimjobSteve.

  • @stinky@redlemmy.com
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    1086 months ago

    Don’t give up now Amanda! He’s so close! Stay the course! Keep fighting soldier you’re almost there!!! FUCK YEAH!!! Look at him squirt! I saw his butthole pucker! ~Grandma in Heaven

  • @Bruncvik@lemmy.world
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    146 months ago

    Grandma probably did the same in her youth, and now that she’s in heaven, she’s reliving whatever she wants, whenever she wants it. At worst, she’d wish she could offer some advice.

  • Mossy Feathers (She/Her)
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    106 months ago

    Why would Grandma care? Grandma’s probably getting her brains fucked out by 13 werewolves while Grandpa’s putting together a catgirl harem. Even if that’s not your kind of grandma, she’s probably very much aware that she should be giving you privacy, lol.

        • @Gustephan@lemmy.world
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          46 months ago

          Genitals and mouths were meant for eachother. Between your tongue and your nose you have two of the best sex toys ever invented just sitting right there on your face. All the time

  • Riskable
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    256 months ago

    She has it all wrong: Grandma and her other ancestors aren’t watching from heaven or whatever they’re inside her. Passive guests in her body that get to “live on via their children and grandchildren.” Literally.

    Grandma tasted those balls right along with you, girl! It’s like that saying, “if you’re cold, they’re cold.”