It’s impressive how hard these people lick boots.
But also how shameless they are, doing it in full public view
And the gargling too
And the gagging also
Good fucking luck with that hurdle.
They need a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate; or a conventio called by Congress at the request of two-thirds of the state legislatures. Then it has to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.
Even if they managed a super majority on both sides of Congress for Trumplefuck, there’s no way they’re getting 38 States to agree to that.
Trump is the candidate during next election
Red States let him be an option even though they shouldn’t
He wins enough red States to have a majority
They name him president even though it’s against the Constitution
The supreme Court is packed with his picks so they don’t do anything about it
Tada! Civil war? Dissolution of the USA? Who knows!?!
This.
We need to stop acting like the norms matter at all, like the rules still apply. We must treat this like what it is: a threat to our very survival.
The US government, at least the parts that actually could do something about this, are on the brink of total collapse or dismantlement. I hate to say it but I think the time for peaceful resistance is long since past, i don’t see any way this is going to end without bloodshed
The Night of the Long Knives would like to have a word with you
It’s sad that you guys still think the rule of the constitution is some massive roadblock that they’ve somehow missed. They literally made an Executive Order that just says “No” to the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, do you think none of them noticed? They get to have a vote about ludicrous things, and they get to gleefully destroy the lives of any Republican who dares vote against them. Maybe it gets struck down for the time being? Who cares, the courts are packed, they can realistically just start killing people pretty soon and it’ll start with the disloyals and the true believers as needed as it always does.
You cannot logical trap nor get off on technicalities fascists. It does not matter to them, they will just do what they want anyways, all that matters is if they can crush anyone who tries to stop them.
They are pushing the boundaries of the conversation and they are testing the waters, and every time they’re pushed back on they use the limp push back to consolidate more power because nobody has been willing to actually stop them.
With all due respect, that is some real defeatist dog shit. Yes, Trump and cronies have no respect for the constitution or the rule of law. But if we collectively roll over at the first fascist executive order, that’s exactly what they want us to do… They are testing the waters. The supreme court is packed, but every circuit court in the country certainly isn’t. And that’s where these battles are already being fought. We need to collectively resist every encroachment, every power grab. Otherwise we’re nearly as culpable as Trump for the rise of fascism.
If you aren’t willing to kill them then they will inch forward until they win. That is why civil wars have existed.
Violence isn’t the only way to fight fascism. It’s surely a way. But the courts and the school districts are two early battle grounds where folks are already pushing back (non-violently) and preventing some of that inching forward.
Preventing some, some of the time, is how you get here, inch by inch, and eventually earlier wins become future losses.
Look at it this way… We have a portfolio of tools to fight fascism. Sometimes, yes, the proper response to a specific incursion is direct action. Sometimes you can accomplish more with other means (fighting back in the courts, etc.). It doesn’t have to be all or nothing, and in fact I’d argue you accomplish the most by picking your tools wisely for each battle.
There are only two tried and true methods I am aware of to stop fascists:
- Killing them
- Making them kill themselves
I’m going to enjoy seeing this comment get removed. I’ll think about it as I’m put on the train to the death camp.
I think the logic is sound… If anyone is allowed to introduce legislation against established reforms infinitely many times, you get gish galloped to death and they will eventually get their way no matter how terrible the idea is. Because it’s a deep ideology, you must get rid of the person to get rid of the idea.
Trump is ruling by executive order and no one is stopping him from doing any of it, constitutional or not.
He’ll just issue an executive order to lower the threshold and at best that order gets challenged and goes to the SCOTUS, and we all know what will happen there.The only effective short-term roadblocks are going to be legal challenges, like the ones WA’s governor and AG have been preparing for. You’re right that this only works until it gets overturned by SCOTUS, and it doubly hurts progressives because we now have to spend resources (time and money) fighting nonsense instead of fighting for causes we want…like some goddamn healthcare.
Delay. Deny. Depose.
There’s already an injunction against one of his orders. I’m sure more will come.
Unfortunately those are only for the states that filed suit against it.
I don’t think the law is a restricting factor for the trump regime.
That’s what the Trump regime wants us to think.
Laws only apply if they are enforced.
Which is why I often find myself saying the Trump admin will face one of two types of justice: vigilante or none.
It’s obviously completely performative, this is a very common move in US politics in general, I’ve noticed–introducing a bill they know is definitely not going to pass, but makes them look good to their base.
Seems more like someone sucking up to Trump rather than something they realistically believe they could get passed
That’s a really dangerous way of thinking. We can no longer normalize this stuff by going “it’ll never actually happen.” It CAN happen. Get your head out of the sand and stop minimizing the very real threat our democracy is facing.
What democracy? We’ve been living in a police state our entire lives. Talk about a dangerous way of thinking, ffs, how many hundreds of thousands of people were murdered under the Bush administration alone, and you act like that was just healthy democracy? Why were Bush and Obama on the same page about the erosion of our civil liberties and global imperialism? I swear, some of you are just miles from the correct explanation.
This one won’t happen though. It doesn’t have the votes. It would require a Constitutional amendment, and thus a LOT of Democrats on board.
You can’t freak out about every possible thing.
When every possible thing is this fucking freaky, we can indeed freak out about them.
Reminder that they control all branches of government and can do whatever the hell they want.
Even though I partially agree that it’s probably somebody sucking up instead of them passing a “remove all term limits” bill instead.
Or maybe they’re just testing the waters and compliance of the people currently elected, heck if I know.
Yeah there is less than zero percent chance this happens.
And we were all overreacting about Roe v Wade. “Precedent”, “established law”, “checks and balances”. It could never happen, they said.
I really would like to see some of those checks and balances I’ve heard so much about. Must have gotten confused—it’s cheques for the rich, on our dime, to make their balance keeps going up.
He will be 82! Have you talked to any 80 year olds recently?
Bernie still seems as sharp as ever.
Have you spoken to him personally or just the stuff you see on your feed and the “news”? I was one of the biggest Bernie bros out there but dude there comes a time when you wouldn’t let someone drive you in a car yet you feel fine about them leading the country?
Who said anything about another presidential run? I’m just saying that he’s still sharp. That doesn’t mean he’ll stay that way for 8 more years. I’m still very glad to have him in the Senate for the next 6.
I have not seen him personally, but he is still doing a lot of media appearance and speaking from the floor.
I had the same heart *event Bernie had and, yeah, I could stand at a podium and talk for an hour, but stuggle with walking more than to the mailbox and back.
Mentally, Bernie is as sharp as ever. Physically? He’s an 83 year old with a heart condition…
* I use the word “event” because it sounds more festive.
OK, but my original comment was just that he was still sharp. I also think you are extrapolating a bit much from your own limited experience, but I’m not looking for Bernie to run a marathon either.
Hey man tv is different than real fucking life just fyi.
Then nothing we think happens actually happens unless we are physically there to see it? What a keen observation!
Your a fucking dumbass if you think the things you see on TV and social media aren’t being manipulated. Hollywood would lead you to believe Tom Cruise is a bad ass and Keanu reeves is an unkillable God. Your president is a reality show star. But no your immune to propaganda and can see threw the screen and into the truth 🤡
What the fuck are you doing on a politics board, if you don’t think it’s possible to know anything about politicians because it’s all “manipulated”?
Bernie speaking for an hour on the floor of the Senate being broadcast on CSPAN isn’t the same as Keanu Reeves winning a gunfight against 50 mobsters. His unedited sit down discussions with AOC and others are not the same as Tom Cruise surfing behind an F-16. It’s pretty clear that the gears in his head are still turning, just like it’s clear that Biden’s aren’t. Or maybe Biden is fine and that was all a manipulation. LOL
A constitutional amendment required 2/3s House and Senate AND 3/4 of states. And they don’t have that. This is more bullshit to distract.
To amend the U.S. Constitution, a proposed amendment must be approved by a two-thirds majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate, and then ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50 states). Alternatively, an amendment can be proposed by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures, but this method has never been used.
This is more bullshit to distract.
This is saying it louder for the people in the back. Musk’s Nazi Salute isn’t getting the message across? Okay, how about this?
They so desperatly want a hidden militia to come out of the woodwork and coup the country for them
Those people are either dead from covid, too old to fight for their coup, or are just LARPers and actually aren’t interested in dying for a con man.
The ones Trump let out of prison were willing to do violence, including killing police officers. They’re a credible threat.
That’s not enough people, but we should definitely watch them
well a shit ton were just released from jail after being paroled for j6
Laws don’t apply to trump.
They don’t apply to Biden either
So if people commit crimes against Trump, he isn’t protected? No laws right?
He’s protected by his sycophant, who have unlimited money.
Depends on the crime. One would think the Second Amendment might cover some crimes.
I mean, kind of. People only follow laws because they believe that the laws will shield them when it is their turn. Otherwise it’s just ‘those with power do what they want.’
When regular people stop believing in the law, you get Luigis.
Ok. How many votes do they need to change the rule governing how many votes a constitutional amendment requires?
the same amount,
The United States Constitution Article V:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
That would also be an amendment to the Constitution.
The last amendment that passed took over 200 years to get through the process.
True, but that’s mainly because they forgot about it.
On one hand: called it. On the other: fuck.
Just Trump specifically, or for any other president too ?
Literally just Trump:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms…
Obama served 2 consecutive terms so would be ineligible. They literally wrote this so that only Trump would be eligible.
Greedy old f**t.
There won’t be any other presidents, just successors
Trump is not exactly a spring chicken. He is one mild medical event to being in the history book.
COVID nearly killed him and RFK is antivax sycophant. I’m not a betting man but…
Great, than we end up with Vance aka the young, healthy, couch-fucking, monarchist who lacks Trump’s compulsive need for worship.
Vance used to be the face of Never Trump, which makes his actual motives a mystery. The best possibility would rely on him pulling a long con, but so would the worst possibility.
'No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms," the amendment states. Former Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama all served two consecutive terms, and thus would be barred from being elected to a third term. But not Trump, who is the first president since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to be elected to a second, non-consecutive term.
This is the real power move. If trump can run again so can Obama.
No, because Obama has been elected two consecutive terms.
So if Carter rises from the dead he can get a solid 8y in?
Bring back Grover Cleveland!
So only unpopular 3 terms allowed? Yeah, that seems reasonable. Standard playbook
Pretty cool how we have the freedumb to install a dictator.
This is what happens when you dont have a democracy
This is what happens when you have stupid people that vote en masse.
Nope.
Cuz of first past the post.
Yep
Just First Past the Post voting things.
Good job guys, you saved Palestine!
Fuck you, that wasn’t why Trump won. It was because Dems offer nothing but the avoidance of something worse.
I’m outraged at the genocide and voted for Biden anyway. People can be mad at Dems and demand better without being responsible for their failure.
The American people failed.
This was fucking advertised. This was chosen. This was voted for.
Stupidest populous on earth.
I’m with you until the last sentence. Fewer than 50% of American voters voted for Trump.
Two thirds of Americans were fine with Trump being elected.
How is any of this “chosen” when everything is gerrymandered and rigged?
Our biggest fault was being the frog who stayed in the water while it was heating up. We have just slowly been giving up freedoms with a little fuss but not enough to matter. We need to learn to say no firmly and with conviction.
Any obstacles to electing someone else could have easily been overcome.
If “Did Not Vote” was a candidate:
This was completely preventable.
Anyone downvoting you is an idiot. This is exactly the situation the American people have been in.
Gerrymandering doesn’t exist in your presidential election.
The majority of Americans supports - or at the very least is neutral towards - Trump. You can blame this on a lot of factors such as misinformation and lack of education but this doesn’t change the general attitude.
Lol what do you think the electoral.college is???
The electoral college has bias towards states with lower populations but it’s not gerrymandering.
Gerrymandering is specifically drawing district borders to guarantee victory with a minority of votes.
The US presidential election would be gerrymandered if some states decided to go through mitosis to get more electoral votes for their party.
Something like 49% of eligible voters voted for Trump. And many eligible voters don’t vote. So no, factually, you are incorrect. A lot of people here are too poor to give a shit about politics and are completely unengaged.
Many eligble voters don’t vote
People who don’t vote either cannot vote due to discrimination or don’t vote because they are neutral towards the winner:
Overall, 10% of Americans are what we call Bystanders, or the politically disengaged, according to Pew Research Center’s Political Typology report. None of this cohort say they’re registered to vote, and none say they follow government and public affairs most of the time.
If you don’t care about politics, you are not opposed to Trump.
The avoidance of all of this is probably the single most motivating thing in existence. Implying otherwise is strange.
You don’t sleep in your actively burning home because none of the local hotels tickle your fancy.
Which is why I voted for the lady who refused to condemn genocide. What are you arguing?
Dems are center right. They have been for a long time because of cold war propaganda and brainwashing. That doesn’t mean I won’t vote against fascism. It means we need better alternatives.
Why are y’all still fighting about this? Your farce of an election is over, what purpose does this ceaseless bickering serve?
It’s cute how so many in the comments think the legal checks will prevent this. They don’t care about the law or the Constitution in the same way they don’t care about optics, hypocrisy, decorum, or process. People keep viewing this through the lense of American democracy. None of that matters to fascists.
In the end, the country isn’t a democracy. It’s a complicated system with complicated interactions.
It’s really not impossible that a democracy turns into fascism.
Thought about that regarding the current events in Germany. If people democratically vote for fascism, that’s still a democratic vote. Only the outcome might be less democratic (or not at all) but at least once people choose this path willingly, following democratic rules.
At the end it’s perfectly legal to do this. The question is more if it’s good or bad. It maybe even stupid. But here we are.
But then we would not be a democracy and being a democracy is written into the constitution.
True, never looked into the protective mechanisms in our constitution. But I bet there is a way to change these mechanisms, once you are the reigning political power.
Will have to research on that.
They care about the law the same way the nazi’s cared about the law until the night of the long knives. I suspect their mass deportation plan is really them gearing up for the night of the long knives 2.0.
Night of broken glass comes first.
Wait for them to loot and pillage “immigrant” owned businesses.
We do not call it Reichskristallnacht anymore. We call it Novemberprogrome.
After four years of them being in power, he’ll probably just be able to…not leave, regardless of any election. Who would stop him?
Trump even said he shouldn’t have left in 2020. So think that is the plan already.
Presumably someone with better aim than the last shooter.
I’d be very careful as a wannabe dictator in a land with this many guns. The next four years are going to be tense for everyone.
The constitution says he’s no longer president Jan 20.
The Constitution is just a piece of paper unless someone enforces it.
Yeah, people don’t seem to truly understand this, and I fear it will take something extreme before they do… And it’s likely already too late now, let alone by then.
I can’t like this comment enough!!! When will we learn they DON’T PLAY BY THE RULES. If the magats want this to pass, they will manipulate, intimidate, bend, or break the rules to do it. This is how coups happen. They don’t sit down and ask nicely, they just DO IT and back it up with military force if they have to.
They care so little they’re trying to get an amendment passed… wait.
Standard traitor shit.
FTA" “Trump “has proven himself to be the only figure in modern history capable of reversing our nation’s decay and restoring America to greatness, and he must be given the time necessary to accomplish that goal,”” - He hasn’t don’t anything yet!! How has he ‘proven himself’
He’s proven that he’s a fascist and demented psycho, so that’s good enough for republicans.
I think you mean a fascist, demented sociopath.
good lord…
Wonderful idea, I can’t wait for a third Obama term.
It’s written to exclude Obama.
It’s written specifically to exclude Bush, Clinton, and Obama, Trump is the only person it can apply to.
