China should declare a policy that they will sell to Russia whatever the US or NATO sells to the separatists on Taiwan Island.
Separatists? Isn’t Taiwan a country?
Not according to Taiwan. Taiwan sees itself as the legitimate China, with territorial claims on the mainland.
Taiwan (Republic of China) and China (People’s Republic of China) are different governments that both lay claim to the same territory.
The TL;DR is that in 1949 the communists won the Chinese civil war and the remaining nationalist opposition retreated to Taiwan, beginning the state of affairs that we have today.
PRC considers Taiwan part of its core territory and will not renounce its claims. RoC has, since 1991, officially recognised that they can’t retake the mainland, but there’s ongoing debate about whether or not Taiwanese reunification or an independent Taiwan is the end state.
The Telegraph is the only one reporting this, we’re supposed to believe a sensationalist conservative tabloid?
It looks like the data is from Malfar Group which dubs itself as open source intelligence (whatever that means). Looking at their website, it is all Ukraine related. That’s fine in and of itself but it should be noted by them or The Telegraph. But The Telegraph is not exactly a paragon of journalistic integrity.
well if you trade metal to Russia, and metal goes in weapons, you are basically handing them weapons of mass destruction if you think about it
The Telegraph is a broadsheet not a tabloid for goodness sake.
telegraph getting upset about free markets?
Does reporting on it mean they are upset?
They exercise editorial control and they exercise it vigorously, so when they report on something it’s for a reason.
Does your comment intend to imply they’re just presenting some economic data points or something? It seems kind of inane to pretend that they don’t have a lens where this is a bad thing. That China bad etc etc.
My comment was intending to imply they are not actually upset about this and are reporting on things that will make them money.
My comment had no purpose other than to be pedantic for it’s own sake because that is how the internet has taught me that intelligence is demonstrated and I want to appear intelligent
Wow neat
You seem upset.
It will make them money from readers being upset about it. The author specializes in anti-China outrage bait.
So that would mean others are upset, not them.
One Chinese company sent 1,000 drones to Russia in the two months before the war, according to figures compiled by Molfar Global, an open source research organisation. That firm, Shantou Honghu Plastics, describes itself as a wholesaler of children’s toys on its website and social media profiles.
They are toy drones lmao. Yeah they seem upset alright.
That quote seems very calm to me.
Upset enough to write a whole article about toy drones
How does that mean they are upset?
Where is that NPC user CanadaPlus from lemmy.ca, who was doubting Russia has China and India as serious allies?
Russia has China and India as serious allies?
Yeah… they’re not. China is nobody’s ally.
Every country is not like Western ones. Get off your koolaid.
Don’t believe me? Ask Jonas Savimbi. Or Vietnam.
I asked. Captain Vietnam told me Captain America is the most inhuman thing in existence, and that Vietnam and China are well on the way to joining hands.
Don’t worry… that incoherence problem will probably clear up by the time you hit your twenties.
Hit your 10s first, arrogant kid, before instructing internet grandpas around the world.
Uh, excuse me. Granpeople
when Russia becomes the third world nation in a proxy war.
Russia has been a third world nation since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Politicians just like to use the Russian boogeyman to scare people who remember the Cold War. Putin may be a monster, but China is the real threat.
the least racist redditor on lemmy
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What does race have to do with it?
Oh please, we all know the real reason China is seen as a “threat” by Americans.
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It’s all about money and power, mate. Not race. The US and the Soviet Union are both predominately Caucasian and they were at odds for the better part of the 20th Century. Race has nothing to do with it.
When it comes to China, racism isn’t exactly hidden.
What are you on about? You didn’t address my counter-point. You merely restated this blatant propaganda.
Russia literally invaded two countries and stole their land and people. Your post is ridiculous.
Russia is certainly a regional threat but countries invade and dominate other countries in their sphere of influence all the time. Russia does not have what it takes to dominate on a world stage like they did after World War 2. Their economy is weak, as is their military.
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Okay lol
Sorry, but the real threat to what exactly?
Edited: aside from Taiwan, Hong Kong, several other nations in the east. My question was more in the context of China as a threat to anything in the western hemisphere. They are the eastern version of the US, no doubt about it.
The US status as a hegemony.
With India on the rise as well I think we are transitioning into a pre-WW1 like multipolar balance of power which could slide into WW3. Safest option would be China and the US dominate everyone else and we get another Cold War, but we will see.
China was considered a true partner of the West until 2008.
Business was good, fake news was doing daddies’ biddings while jobs were being shipped out.
Both the US and China have legitimate security interests that are at odds with each other.
I understand your sentiment but as a history major I need to clarify that Russia is literally the Second World Nation. As in, the First, Second, and Third categorization emerged to describe pro-NATO, pro-Warsaw Pact, and unaligned countries.
TIL…
but
ChinaAmerica is the real threat.FTFY
Why not both?
America collaborates well enough with the rest od the countries. Americas system is bullshit but China is having even more control and is even more destructive. Both are shit but China is more of a threat
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Collaborate? Is that what America does when they invade a country and murder its people?
No no no, they liberate the country from dangerous potential socialist values, a perceived will of the country to distance themselves from the US, or, you know, because they can.
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The only people that matter are white and European.
I guess everything is relative. I should have clarified that I meant China is a threat to America’s dominance of the world stage.
I have no problem with that.
Yeah to be fair some people will have a problem with it and some won’t. I think it will be interesting to see who comes out on top.
My money is on the Chinese.
Maybe, but the housing crisis and shrinking population gives me pause. Not to mention I think there is more internal dissent in China than people like to talk about. China still hasn’t caught up to the US militarily and the gap is no longer closing in.
China is widely suspected of supplying Russia with equipment and materials to support their war, however no-one has adduced anything concrete to support that theory so far.
The article itself doesn’t cite much in the way of sources or evidence, other than mentioning a report by Molfar, the open source intelligence agency. Molfar has published reports on the same topic in the past, but there hasn’t been anything recently.
If the Telegraph had new information or evidence they would be shouting a lot louder than this. This is most likely them covering up for a quiet day by dredging up some old rumours and repackaging them as news.
In other news, China is also widely suspected of supplying Ukraine with equipment and materials to support their war.
Turns out, China isn’t a single entity but a bunch of companies that want to make a whole ton of money by profiteering off of war.
The CCP doesn’t care about the conflict so long as they can claim neutrality.
does China have a choice?
Is there free will? Are we all living in the matrix? questions…
Yes
I wonder if this’ll lead to any sort of action against China. Generally people have thought that China wouldn’t outright support Russia with war materials because they can’t afford to be sanctioned by “the West”, as they’re much more reliant on trade with the EU and US
Not metals!
Focusing on Chinese drones that end up in Russia while completely ignoring the Chinese drones that end up in the Ukraine is some cherry picking I expected from the Telegraph. Products and components are made in China, which shouldn’t come as a surprise.
This is referring to consumer level drones too right? Like DJI stuff?
Ukraine only has consumer drones, I don’t think they have any military drones
Pretty sure they have Baryraktar drones, purchased from Turkey, among other military drones.
I thought they had some for some reason
People need to start distinguishing between the little quadcopters you can buy at walmart, and fucking reaper drones. Headlines like “China is selling drones to Russia” makes it seem like it isn’t a $150 drone bought off fucking aliexpress
That lack of distinction is 100% on purpose since China dominates the consumer drones market and they’re so versatile and capable that countries all over the world including the US buy DJI drones for military operations
Can blame China for giving every country “drones”
Gotta get that drones, man…
china dominates the consumer goods market, period. by these standards the chinese have been supplying every NATO war for the past 20 years.
the chinese have been supplying every NATO war for the past 20 years.
smh revisionism has really gone too far
They do. They have Bayraktar drones.
I do agree that the lack of distinction is kind of stupid.
They all got shot down
https://www.businessinsider.com/turkeys-bayraktar-tb2-drones-ineffective-ukraine-war-2023-5
However, a year later, nearly all of them are believed to have been shot down by Russian forces.
The remaining killer drones are now reduced to reconnaissance duties, an expert said.
This would mean they still have some.
I don’t think you can buy Bayraktar drones from your local general store…
Whaaat? But China said they weren’t doing that. China wouldn’t just lie like that, would it?
Did you check behind their back to see if their fingers were crossed?
No :(
Where have you been when China lied for the 48352847285627th time this week? 🥲
Around I guess, but I was utilizing the technique of sarcasm there.
And I tried to reference the club penguin meme. I suck at being funny.
Well, shit. Comedy is hard, don’t beat yourself up.
Both Russia and Ukraine are buying and using consumer-level drones and scopes from China, though…
Turns out, AliExpress is pretty fucking amazing.
Eh, sometimes it is.
Probably not for long given the state of the Rouble and the economy. Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer and when it comes to the stuff China might be interested in, such as ores and oil, well you’d have to not send miners to the front to continue producing them. That Russia of all countries is importing metals should make you stop and think.
Lenin is rotating in his mausoleum.
Russia provides a buffer, it’s the same thing as North Korea. China aids NK to keep US allies as far away from themselves as possible.
The funniest part of this comment is the idea that Russia will get so desperate for troops that they’ll be unable to operate mines
Soviet industrial capacity greatly increased over the course of WWII
Yeah, but that was the Soviets. These are capitalists. Capitalists suck at war economics and I’m not even sure it’s plausible under modern finance capitalism. I agree they’re not likely to run out of troops any time soon, but I don’t think we’re likely to see economic gains like WWII.
I also don’t think we’re going to see industrial development on par with WWII. My point is that during WWII:
- The USSR suffered something like 25 million deaths, orders of magnitude above even the wildest propaganda about current Russian losses
- They still had the labor power to not only run their industrial base, but to build much of it from scratch
It’s a country of around 143 million, and I saw an (undoubtedly cautious) estimates of 11 million+ military age men. They had something like 1.2 million military personnel before the war.
Just a basic understanding of demographics and even one historical example should tell anyone that “they are so short on people they can’t even run their industry” is absurd.
They provide a large country with a large nuclear arsenal and military that’s friendly to the Chinese government
Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer
Oh no, their Twitter and Facebook exports are too low. They’ll have to scrape by on checks notes one of the world’s largest supplies of oil, precious metals, and other natural resources. Surely, the Russian economy will collapse any second now!
Plus their weapon systems are probably looking pretty good after surviving a sustained assault from a NATO trained, led, and supplied army.
Ukrainians also get shipped Chinese consumer drones to configure into weapons and Holosuns, so I think it evens out
Telegraph: “One Chinese company sent 1,000 drones to Russia in the two months before the war, according to figures compiled by Molfar Global, an open source research organisation. That firm, Shantou Honghu Plastics, describes itself as a wholesaler of children’s toys on its website and social media profiles.”
“The Ukrainians, and the Russians too, have figured out ways to modify these devices they’ve purchased online to make more and more creative ways to drop explosives from these small consumer drones,”
Telegraph: “Chinese firms have also sent optical sights to more than 50 Russian companies from the start of 2022 through the first quarter of this year. Imports of these products nearly doubled to $2.5 million last year, compared to the one prior.”
https://news.yahoo.com/budget-optics-becoming-combat-proven-212202739.html (it’s yahoo citing Reddit sources and just doing trust me bro, but if Ukraine bought Chinese drones, buying Holosuns isn’t exactly hard to believe)
More informative source: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/07/25/holosun-optics-on-ukranian-aks/ (lol, a crowdfunding project funding a country’s military is sad, and the fact they could only upgrade 30 guns is even more sad. In 2014 too during the coup)
However, large numbers of Holosun optics have been fielded during the defense of Ukraine. During the war, they have been seen on AK-style rifles, AR-style rifles and even machine guns. While the battlefield performance of the optics is difficult to verify, Ukrainian troops continue to field them. Even bodyguards for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy have been seen using Holosun optics. Outside of Ukraine, the Estonian Defence Forces use Holosun optics on their LMT R-20 assault rifles.
Holopoint stuff is good for the price point. It’s cheap, it’s reasonably reliable and mostly works. If you’re on a budget you could do worse.
A holosun aimpoint mashup brings to mind automatic1111 versions of guns.
Helicopters, drones, and metals they won’t be able to use at Taiwan.
Oh no! Not the DJI Mavic Pro! Whatever will they do without
*4/3 CMOS Hasselblad Camera *Dual Tele Cameras *Cine Only Tri-Camera Apple ProRes Support
Not sure that makes it any better. Oppressing a country vs. helping oppress a country.
It:s a shame because supplying that gear to Ukraine would have helped China’s reputation on the international stage and bolstered trade. It would have not been well received by the Kremlin but a losing army can’t invade anyone else.
China and Russia are working together to overthrow the relatively democratic, rules-based US-Euro hegemony. That’s why they announced their super duper special forever friendship shortly before Putin started his latest genocidal land grab.
They are, though?
People are going on AliExpress and buying stuff. This is neither new nor illegal. Chinese companies live in a capitalist market just like everyone else.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm
Politically it’s better. Ukraine has 16 countries that committed over a billion Euros. We’re not how many countries would back Taiwan.
the difference is in Taiwan’s case america would be directly involved and have already committed to this, it is likely Japan would also and some other countries are likely to contribute to. china wouldn’t have a hope
I mean over a billion Euros is technically correct, the actual number however is more like 150 to 200 billion Euros
Of our hard-earned money, those degenerate warmongers (I’m looking at you, Urszula)!
Sorry, I meant over a billion Euros each. The US is at over €70 billion alone.
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Hopefully the United States doesn’t continue to escalate tensions in regards to the island.
Helicopters, drones, and metals they won’t be able to use at Taiwan.
Because their plan for reunification is peaceful, which a military invasion would make more difficult.
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Here’s hoping. How do you think they will solve their naval border disputes with neighboring countries?
Why do you want to end the world so badly?
Plan for the worst, hope for the best
You can’t claim to be hoping for the best when you’re the one making provocations.
Lol, I highly doubt china will be desperate enough to use consumer level drones and scopes to take over Taiwan given how many soldiers they have with real military equipment.
But even if they are desperate, what makes you think they won’t just seize the factories and pump out 20x the number being shipped to Russia and Ukraine, and the rest of the world? Not to mention, I don’t think China is dumb enough to go to war while Russia is busy at a completely different war, so I really don’t think a couple thousand shitty drones will make a difference 5-10 years from now
Russia’s military strength has been degrading since the war began. How long do you wait with your ally losing strength? Sure, you could prop him up but then that’s a drain on your economy. If you postpone indefinitely, the situation may change to be even more unfavorable.
China has waited centuries to get Hong Kong back and decades for Taiwan. What’s another 10 years? Why would they do some reckless shit like invasion when they’re still in the process of courting neighbors? All the superpowers are observing this war right now to see each other’s abilities, and the war hasn’t been finished yet. There’s no material benefit to invading anyone right now
Generally speaking, China benefits from stalling for as long as possible. The power of the imperial core is waning, so if China can navigate things such that the US – due to its own economic dependency on imperialism – crumbles to a much lower stature without the US launching nukes, then its influence in the world will become a shadow of what it was and reunification without firing a shot may be viable.
without the US launching nukes
I was just talking about this today. China is leading towards a multi-polar world very effectively, but the US is the only nation to have used nukes in history. Really puts things in stark relief.
Plus the leadership in DC are senile psychopaths who have at best a loose grasp on world affairs. And that’s just the Democrats. The GOP are increasingly all fascists completely divorced from reality. Real “Sick old man” hours, except unlike the Ottomans DC has enough nukes to flash-fry the planet if the wrong corpse-lich has a stroke at the right time.
Yes, if you go to aliexpress, you could buy Chinese made helicopter, drones and metals. Thank you the telegraph for the basic info
If you search for certain military equipment, you’ll often see reviews from Russian soldiers and Ukrainian soldiers right next to each other lol
Like, the yank was so mad at Ukrainian keep using Chinese drone, that they force them to stop buying it and use their expensive drone.
The Pentagon is mad that Congress forced them to stop buying Chinese drones. Apparently there are no available replacements in some categories and even where there are, they are many times more expensive.
I love watching Congress fuck over the Pentagon. Just the worst people in the world slapfighting over fake money. Probably a bad idea to let hundreds of lead huffing jet ski dealers whose only qualification is buying more TV add time than their opponents run a global empire.
My favorite instance of this was the US Army begging congress not to buy more Abrams tanks because they were already too expensive to maintain but congress overruling them and ordering them to buy more to keep the factories open.
"Please, whatver you do just don’t make us-
"-Buy more Abrams, great idea, yes!"Abrams printer go brrrrrrr
99% of the resistance to doing anything good is because the current bad thing provides jobs for like 500,000 people and no one wants to make an effort to help those people
Just like the coal industry.
Rural communities have been using Huawei equipment for internet because it’s cheap and fast. The federal government became upset and demanded they rip everything and replace it with American parts. I think it costs like $12 billion, but the US didn’t even give the communities 50% of the required amount to switch over
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Sounds about right for US infrastructure.
australia doing the same shit
Banned from tendering in the National Broadband Network in 2012, banned from participating in the 5G network in 2018, called for removal of surveillance/security cameras in 2018, funded undersea cables in the pacific to block Huawei in 2018, purchased Digicel to prevent Chinese involvement in 2021
US, UK, CAN & AU, 5eyes has been frothing over this for a while
The $2.1 billion deal to acquire and run Digicel Pacific is being funded largely by the government, which will provide $1.9 billion toward the acquisition.
Telstra said it would contribute $360 million and own 100 per cent of the company’s ordinary equity.
“Australian officials were concerned about whether a Chinese company or potentially a Chinese state-owned entity might look to buy Digicel’s Pacific arm and there were some geopolitical and geostrategic concerns about a Chinese company owning a major telecommunication company in the Pacific region, which is of course so close to Australia,” said Amanda Watson, an expert in Pacific communications at the Australian National University.
That’s especially since Digicel Pacific uses a 4,700km undersea cable from Sydney that was largely funded by the Australian government in 2018 in an effort to prevent PNG and the Solomon Islands from contracting Huawei for the project.
Ahh my bad, that was 3 years earlier instead
Somehow on my phone in :estonia-burning: I can access RT and came across this article where the US was coping at South Africa to abandon it’s partnerships with Huawei because “you need to use :lmayo::amerikkka: technologies”. Anyways, South Africa told :amerikkka: to :PIGPOOPBALLS:
Africa: “W-“
US, in Africa: “GYNA!!! GYNA!!! GYNNNNAAAAAAHHHH!!!
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That’s gotta be in some cyberpunk book somewhere. Especially if they start giving different ratings to the equipment and flaming each other over it.
