Thinking of starting media creation, want to have an email address dedicated to that purpose. Don’t want to go with Gmail as I’d like to phase Google out of my life, amd Protonmail seems i correct for this because it largely wouldn’t be encrypted mail.
Recommendations?
So when it comes to encryption for digital data there are really two concerns:
- encrypted at rest
- encrypted in transit
Your options for encrypted email providers are limited:
- https://www.privacyguides.org/en/email/
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_webmail_providers#Features
and Protonmail seems incorrect for this because it largely wouldn’t be encrypted mail.
I’m curious why you think so?
Proton’s inboxes are encrypted, so that’s (1) handled.
For (2), Proton-to-Proton emails are automatically encrypted. Proton-to-WKD-enabled-services are also automatically encrypted:
Proton also supports automatic external key discovery with Web Key Directory (WKD). This means that emails sent to other providers which use WKD will be automatically encrypted with OpenPGP as well, without the need to manually exchange public PGP keys with your contacts.
And finally, emails to non-secure services can be encrypted, but you must provide the decryption password to the receiver through some other method. These emails can also be configured to automatically delete after a set expiration time.
This is the most feature-complete encrypted email service that I’m aware of, it basically covers all cases that it is possible for Proton to cover on their own service, anything more would require cooperation from the other service(s). No email service could possibly force an inbound email to be encrypted in transit, the sending service has to do that, and that’s really the only part that Proton doesn’t have a feature for (because it’s impossible). If encryption is your concern, I don’t think there are any better options right now.
No email service could possibly force an inbound email to be encrypted in transit, the sending service has to do that, and that’s really the only part that Proton doesn’t have a feature for (because it’s impossible).
This is what I meant by “it largely wouldn’t be encrypted mail.” I’m looking for an email address to open a Pixelfed, Peertube and probably Mastodon and Loops account, among others. Trying to separate “content creation” from my personal accounts and email address. This account will likely be public-facing and will receive normal everyday email, from the various instances I sign up with plus maybe a viewer if anyone ever watches anything I make. The automatic encryption features of Protonmail don’t seem that useful for this use case. Just need an email address that my bank hasn’t heard of.
Hmm, I’m not sure what you expect… if an email service sends in the clear, the only place that can be fixed is at the service itself.
Having the inbox for these accounts encrypted would seem to be important though, so that you can maintain control of them.
I don’t care if messages are encrypted at all in this case, the entire reason I mentioned encryption is to say “I don’t need the feature this service is most known for.”
Ah, I see, I misinterpreted your original post.
Well in any case, the email will probably be the recovery path for the accounts you set up (“I forgot my password”), so if you want to stay in control of them you should pick a service that encrypts the inbox.
You might also find subaddressing useful. For example, if you have [email protected] and you then use [email protected], and later that email subaddress gets exposed and you start getting spam specifically through it, then you know which account was exposed (the pixelfed one) and can attempt to address it individually. Basically the +alias lets you know the source(s) of incoming emails because you know where you’ve used that alias. Many services support this feature.
I think I see why you misinterpreted it, I made a typo. “Incorrect” came out as “I correct.”
I would hope that all services store their data encrypted; a service that stores customer email in plaintext shouldn’t have survived the Obama administration.
As for subaddressing, I’m aware of that idea but…surely so are bad actors. Surely it’s just a quick bit of regex to remove any subaddresses from a list of email addresses you just compromised to cover your tracks.
I use Tuta for multiple domains and it’s been an amazing experience so far.
I’m happy with Fastmail. Making masked emails is great to me, and you can bring your own domain with you. It also is integrated with 1password.
Fastmail and bring your own domain is the way.
Buy a domain name and put that on the service provider of your choice.
I have no basis by which to choose a service provider.
The advantage of this approach is that you are not tied to a service provider indefinitely. You can keep the same email address when you change providers.
The stakes of selecting a “wrong” service provider aren’t as high. If you find you chose the “wrong” one, you can change it in the future.
I personally use Migadu for email + Porkbun for the domain, prices and service are great imo
Exactly the combo I use. Been happy with Migadu for the last 2 years. Although, purelymail also seems interesting.
Never heard of purelymail, what are they like?
https://purelymail.com/ seems like it’s a cheap, no-nonsense email provider. I’m already setup on Migadu and happy enough, so I haven’t tried it. But it seems like a lot of people like it.
People were recently talking about it on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42836818
Thanks for the links!
I use Proton, but I also use their VPN and password manager. Aliases are also nice.
Fastmail has been great for me for years now
Your domain provider might have a basic service for low cost.
You can get a low tier google workspace.
Zoho exists.
You can get an exchange p1 license.
You can buy your own Synology and run an email server off it if your ISP allows.
I use google workspace but it’s from when they had a free service. If I needed to switch today I’d go with Exchange online, or I’d find a cheap Colo near me and put a Synology pair in it.
How much does this cost you, and are there any drawbacks?
Maybe $20/year for the domain and some addl services.
Exchange online for a single user is $48/year according to their website.
Knowing I can move my domain whenever I want is worth something.
But do not host your own email server unless you hate yourself.
If you can find a cloud email security gateway for a decent price it wouldn’t be that bad for an experienced email admin.
This. Always use your own domain.
Note that Proton is cool even if not encrypted. I have pretty much a single contact who uses it and all the other messages are thus unencrypted. Still feels good to not use Gmail.
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Depending on how you feel about current leadership, you should probably be aware of comments made by Proton’s ceo
I know, but I’m tired of it. So he’s a rich dick. Everything I do gives money to some rich dick. Everything you do does so as well. And I’m tired of making my life harder just so a different rich dick gets my money.
If you want a standards-based service without bullshit and with custom domain support, I can recommend Purelymail.
Purelymail has been in beta since 2019. I am not sure if that is a good email provider.
I’ve been using it for several months now and haven’t run into any issues.
That’s not the point. How can a software like this be in beta for 6 years? The developers clearly don’t care about it much.
… I’m not a purelymail user or know much about it… But, I guess I am old now…
I’m guessing the service being in beta for 6 years is a joke. It’s a reference to Gmail being in beta forever.
Iirc my email on proton is encrypted. I believe I set it up that way. Good provider for me.
Before the CEO of Proton came out as a nutjob I might have been inclined to agree…
Bring your own domain.
You don’t want to be locked in to one mail provider for life. Just bring your domain when you leave.
I’ve had mine since 2010. First on Gmail, then proton and now purelymail. Gmail is evil. Proton is pricy, and more so if you have several domains. Purelymail is very affordable in comparison.
The CEO of Proton recently came out as a right wing partisan who supports American neofascism. I would look elsewhere for email providers, Proton is not as trustworthy as they purport to be.
Do you have any sources for that?
It was discussed in real time across Lemmy with links to Mastodon and Reddit where the CEO and the official Proton account made various partisan statements that have destroyed Protons reputation. I didn’t save links but I’m sure you can dig them up easily enough.
What’s a good alternative?
I’m not sure yet. I’m waiting until my current sub is closer to renewal before I take any action, not counting the emails to the Proton Foundation expressing my disappointment.
https://archive.ph/quYyb Guess you‘re right, fuck me man.
One of the posts discussing it https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429
That line of thinking doesn’t make any sense. I wonder what brand of clothes, electronics, vehicle, foods you’re buying. I’m sure I can find more than one neofascist, companies that fully support the Maga movement, etc… At least Proton is actually working for a better, more private internet, for more open source softwares, and is now operated as a non profit that is audited yearly by a third party. And as other people have said, Proton is not reduced to the political ideas of one board member.
Proton is not the sum total of one of its board members.
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Omigod.
Yeah, gotta find a new VPN also. What an asshole (the CEO).
It was completely shocking, I would expect him to be smart enough not to make statements like that but I guess it’s masks off now that their guy is in power.
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We’re probably on a list now, for besmirching him.
I’m not scared. I’m a besmirching machine. He’ll know he’s been besmirched when I lay down some righteous besmirch upon him!
I think you would be laying down smirch, whilst besmirch describes the laying down process.
One who had blemished the fair escutcheon of the family by a smirch of heresy.
T. A. Trollope, Marietta
smirch, n.
Nice. In that case I shall smirch him to the end, I shall smirch him on the seas and oceans, I shall smirch him with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, I shall smirch him on the beaches, I shall smirch him on the landing grounds, I shall smirch him in the fields and in the streets, I shall smirch him in the hills; I shall never unsmirch!
I totally smirched him in the parking lot.
cough Mullvad cough
As always, I recommend Posteo. It’s cheap (1€/mo), allows third party apps and at least their website doesn’t have any trackers or ads. Probably the best paid one out there.
I run https://port87.com/
It’s not quite ready to bring in your own domain, but it works for an email on @port87.com, and you get basically unlimited email addresses. I’m trying to grow it by word of mouth for now, and when it’s ready for business class email (own domain, user management, etc) I’m going to advertise it.
Tuta - https://tuta.com/
(Formerly known as Tutanota)
that’s a dope effect on mobile
Namecrane is hella cheap for lifetime rnow 70$ 250gb storage 15 sites, or 10$ a year reocurring 100gb storage 15 sites (I have this one), fast and easy to setup.
they take a day or two to verify purchase of plan initially tho was pending forever
