If they die they die. It’s a risk I’m willing to take
Except they’re also giving it to their kids, who are far more susceptible to the diseases
I said what I said
What you said is horrible and you should feel horrible.
But your willing to sacrifice children’s lives for your own political goals is noted. Israel does something similar.
And when that kid grows up to be a nazi youth and is ushering you into a death camp???
Why are you assuming that? Do you think fascism is a genetic trait? Which gene is the fascism gene?
Are your politics the same as your parents? Because I sure as fuck am not a Zionist like my father was.
They aren’t responsible for other peoples kids.
You really are not connecting A and B here.
They said there should be a general strike. I said to them that 40% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck, meaning that missing work means not being able to feed and house their kids.
They said they can just take their kids to a soup kitchen. Which, and I don’t know how to make this any clearer to you, will not stop their kids from getting taken away from them because they’re homeless.
So you’re right, they aren’t responsible for other people’s kids and neither are you. You just both expect people to sacrifice them anyway.
look bro, would i push for a law that allows raw milk to be sold? Probably not, if they push one, am i going to stop them just because they might end up killing people? Also no, collateral damage is still damage, and we’re so far gone it’s not gonna improve much at this point.
This has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed, which is child abuse.
Both of you keep trying to change the subject.
I don’t give a fuck about their kids.
I can’t entirely agree with this. Their kids don’t deserve to suffer. But yeah, I kinda don’t have a whole lot of hope for them.
Not all kids grown in a Republican household turn out to be Republicans.
No one is worried they are gonna turn out republican. This next generation is going to turn out nazi.
Especially the ones raised on raw milk.
And without vaccinations.
And not all the Jews that died in the Holocaust were good people. What’s your point?
Human beings deserve to live. It’s not our call to make whether we just save good people, just that we try to save people. Anything less isn’t enough.
We can’t play God.
Kids are innocent, regardless of how shitty the parents are.
And the jews that also happened to be pedophiles deserved to be punished.
Right, but what does that have to do with children drinking milk?
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Same.
Yeah but they might
Ok, so they get to watch their kids die at their own hands, and then head off to jail. Problem seems to be fixing itself.
Milk is dangerous.
This will almost certainly cause a rise in neonatal Listeria cases from maternal transmission…which even if the child survives, can leave them with lifelong disability and functional dependency. Through no fault of their own…just their parents.
lifelong disability and functional dependency.
Poor family from medical bills, more easily manipulated into voting GOP. 3 votes secured!
Do any of you know what clotted cream is? Made in the UK, perfectly safe, delicious, and legal there. Completely illegal here, as made from raw milk. If the brits can figure it out, why can’t Canada and the US? There’s a large number of European products simply can’t be made with pasteurized milk, it’s not like it’s killing Italians. And it’s not just processed forms, it’s legal to buy raw milk itself in the UK (except Scotland). Milk sold in the states doesn’t even taste like milk anymore, and after the USMCA signing, that stuff started showing up in Canada, straight garbage.
Clotted Cream isn’t the same thing as raw milk.
https://www.roddas.co.uk/faqs/
"IS CLOTTED CREAM PASTEURISED?
Yes it is pasteurised and therefore is it safe for both children and pregnant women to eat and enjoy.
IS CLOTTED CREAM SAFE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN TO EAT?
Yes, it’s pasteurised, so it’s perfectly safe for those with a bun in the oven."
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One of the key manufacturers of clotted cream says in their very own FAQ page, TWICE, that you’re wrong.
The reason it’s not for export is that it’s not shelf stable enough to export. Totally different issue from pasturuzation.
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So… you’re partially correct!
But If it helps get you all the way there, Clotted Cream is safe because one of the steps in how it’s made is heating the milk slowly to a temperature that essentially kills the harmful bacteria, essentially, pasteurizing it in the process.
So, you’re pretty much eating pasteurized milk. Hope this helps!
Little more than partially correct because the temperatures aren’t that high, hence it being illegal by NA standards.
I’d suggest you look it up.
I doubt you even knew what it was yesterday, don’t tell me to look up how to make it, I’ve been handling that myself a long time. Be surprised if you know what real butter is supposed to taste like either.
My brother and I are American born of Irish parents. They both have dual-citizenship and wanted us to grow up in the US (Things were different back in the early 70’s). Trust me, I know clotted cream.
And real butter??
Yeah, so…. My girlfriend and I make it all the time when we’re able to buy heavy cream in bulk, because it takes a LOT of it for such a small amount of butter due to the process of how it’s made.
It’s also a bit of an effort that we’re not always in the mood to do.
At least this time the disease will stay confined to the stupid.
That’s not how diseases work.
Isn’t it contagious
Tuberculosis is also carried in unpastuerised milk. The US currently has the largest outbreak in its history.
Yeah, in Kansas City. From what I’ve been able to track down, Patient Zero came back from a recent trip to the Federated States of Micronesia. Current infected rate reported hit 66 people, but that might be higher.
If you’re in the Midwest, brush up on symptoms to look for, and stay away from Nursing Homes and elementary schools if you’re vulnerable.
Stupidity? Based on the election result, I would say yes.
You can at least get vaxed for tb.
Bird flu? Human-to-human either isn’t happening, or is extremely rare, can’t remember.
For now. If it mutates to become more contagious without becoming less deadly, that becomes an everyone problem
Welp time to switch to 100% oat milk
Oat milk is great imo. Planet Oat extra creamy is the best available where I’m at.
Depending on your patience, you can make your own for super cheap. It’s roughly 100g oats to 1000g water, with 20-50g neutral oil, and a tiny bit of guar and xanthan gums. Blend the oats and water for a minute, strain, then add the gums and oil and blend again. Sweeten to taste. Maybe ten minutes max.
If you can get it easily, adding amylase enzymes (blend of alpha, beta and gamma works best) after blending, warming to around 140, let sit for 30 minutes and then raise to 180 for 5 will increase the sweetness and keep it from getting gloopy. You can get them pretty cheap from a brewing supply store. It’s how they make commercial oat milk, and it’s how they can say “no added sugar” and still have it be sweet.
Yeah see this is the thing.
Looking at the ingredients of oat milk it’s often as little as 2% oats.
That checks out looking at these ingredients… 4/5ths of the oats are strained out.
That means it’s really oily unsugary water with a whiff of oat.
What is even the point of that.
Also, fun fact… the xanthan gum seems to kill the creme on a nice cup of black coffee. So a dish of oat milk in your long black is… undesirable.
Horchata, aka chilled rice drink, is only like less than 1% rice! It’s mostly water and sugar, with some spices!
What’s the POINT?!?!
Spoiler: horchata is delicious, and basically the same thing as oatmilk, when you get down to it.
One of the few things I really miss about living in L.A. was all the little agua fresca stands where I could get horchata. And cheap.
The “point” is that it’s a tasty beverage.
Why on earth would you measure the quality of a beverage by how diluted the solids are, or how much filler gets strained out?“Milk is just watered down cheese! It’s 87% water! What’s the point of it?”
Coffee hardly has any coffee in it, you throw away most of the bean.
Don’t even get me started on broth.The fat content is equal to or lower than the fat content of typical dairy based creamers, which is also where the sugar content comes from. A mild quantity of fat is required for the creamer to have a good mouth feel and have a degree of “coating” effect. The gums help keep the fat in suspension since I lack a homogenizer like they use on milk, as well as increasing the viscosity in a way that’s imparted by protein in milk.
If you want to you can just eat the result without filtering. It’s called oatmeal. It’s still watered down though, so I might recommend toasting them and having a nice dry oat bar to go with your puck of dehydrated milk.
In general, I’d recommend against putting any sort of creamer in your black coffee. It tends to make it no longer black coffee.
I don’t personally find issue with any of the emulsifies doing anything to coffee I don’t like, but if you’re exploring there are plenty of others. I’ve had good luck with konjac in a blend with guar, xanthan, and methylcellulose, but two of those are less likely to be in the baking aisle at the store. The more you use the smaller the proportional quantity you need, since they have a synergistic effect. Less than a gram total combined weight of the four previous ones makes a consistency like heavy cream. Great for ice cream base.Hmm, I don’t find it “tasty” myself and just kind of assumed it was milk’s ugly-cousin substitute. Why else would it be oat “milk” if not intended as a substitute? It never occurred to me that someone would drink it as a stand alone beverage because… there’s much nicer drinks around than oily water.
There’s a cafe here that doesn’t serve cows milk so they offer oat milk to everyone that asks. “Nah mate I’m good just poor some oil in there that’ll do”.
We don’t really do “creamers” here. It’s either cow’s milk, cream, or this type of vegetable oil based substitute “milk”.
Also just to make sure you’re aware, all coffee is black coffee before you add “creamer”.
It’s called oat milk because English has called any white liquid milk longer than we’ve had the notion that milk only comes from mammals. In some recipes from the 12th century dairy milk is actually the poor man’s substitute for almond milk.
I’m confused about your obsession with the oil content. Do you only use skim or non-fat milk?
Most people like some fat in their milk because it makes it have a better mouth feel and to be less watery. But, as you mentioned, your tastes are different from other people’s and you sometimes don’t like things that other people do, so it’s fine if you don’t like fatty milk.It never occurred to you that people buy and consume a beverage because they like it? What an interesting world you live in.
all coffee is black coffee before you add “creamer”.
You don’t say. What wonders will they think of next.
It’s called oat milk because …
Nonsense. It’s called oat milk because it sells better if people think of it as a milk substitute. “Tasty Oat Drink” just doesn’t have the same appeal.
I’m confused about your obsession …
I’m “obsessed” with the oil content because most people sipping oat milk lattes think that it’s the nectar lovingly squeezed from plump little oats by italian virgins while sunning themselves by the seaside.
It never occurred …
It never occurred to me that anyone would enjoy drinking tasty oat drink.
You don’t say …
Sorry it’s just that your earlier witty retort seemed based on a misconception regarding this particular nuance of beverage preparation. My bad.
Anyhow, feel free to have the last word in this tawdry little tete-a-tete but for my own part I think I’ll leave you to appreciate your oil based milk substitute.
Your comment is great, equally snarky and informative. I appreciate it and got a couple giggles out of it, too!
Thanks for taking the time for both of your comments. I’ve saved them for the future as I can no longer drink dairy and not a fan of how much sugar some of the commercial oat milks have
No problem! I’ve been lactose intolerant for a while but over the past several years it’s gotten a bit more … Dramatic. The lactose free ice cream always seems to have a funny taste to me, but I tried a oat milk ice cream and was really surprised how creamy it was.
I have an ice cream maker so I started doing some science at making my own. There are worse hobbies, since even the failures are almost always edible. (I did make one with the “fun” property of being nearly identical in texture at every temperature. Scooping some into a hot pan and having it crisp but remain soft is… Unnerving)If you make some, feel free to let me know how it goes! I’d be happy to give pointers to push it in a direction you prefer, or just have another data point for what works. :)
Thanks for the tip on making this. We typically have almond milk in the fridge as it’s easy to find, but it sure is not cheap. Maybe taking a stab at making oat milk to taste might be a fun experiment.
We don’t really have any milk in our fridge except for the very rare recipe. Our house is vegetarian, nearly vegan. I don’t really consume almond milk directly if you will - I drink my coffee black - I’ll use it with the rare bowl of cereal I might have. Now I’m wondering how homemade oat milk might work out.
I’ve never been a big fan of milk anyway - and that extends to alternatives - and same with the rest of my family, so even something tasty is probably not going to get used up very quickly ( a half gallon of almond milk will often be in our fridge for 2 weeks or more ) - how long will this keep?
This will not last super long unfortunately, since it’s not pasteurized. Your best bet is to treat it like fresh orange juice.
Using it for cereal, you’ll want to get the brewer enzymes. Oats have a carbohydrate in them that gets gloopy after a not long time without them. In coffee or tea it’s less noticeable because of the stiring, but cereal I fear might be lessened.
I’m not personally vegan, but lactose is mean to me. Trying to make a lactose free ice cream led me to find that the vegan community has suitable ice creams, but a lot of them feel like a compromise, so the challenge of it became the focus of the science-ing I went down.
As a result it’s best suited to making ice cream and popsicles (needs tweaking for that purpose), and alone is more of a cream consistency. For a usable quantity for cereal, you might cut the oats in half-ish (5-7% of water weight), reduce the oil to no more than 10g/1% and keep the gums the same. The recipe scales well, so you can make a half liter just as well. Although with how cheap oats are it’s almost not worth it to bother.
What does neutral oil mean? Just any vegetable oil like olive oil or canola oil etc?
One that doesn’t have a strong taste, canola yes, olive no.
An oil without a flavor. Olive oil is an example of a not neutral oil since it imparts a flavor to the dish.
Corn, vegetable, soybean, canola and peanut are good examples. No one would drizzle a little corn oil on a plate to dip bread in. :)
They also can tolerate higher temperatures, so you can use them in cooking a bit easier.
You wonderful human being, thank you.
Soon to be former regulators I’m guessing.
They are going to harm their own children, too, which is the real tragedy here.
Sorry but how the fuck are insurance companies OK with this? They hold extreme amounts of power over the US. They are going to have to do ridiculous amounts of payouts for hospital bills.
How the fuck are people’s life saving surgeries getting denied at pre-approval, but they are not denying people’s coverage for fucking drinking raw milk??
You haven’t heard? AI is going to automatically deny all those claims, problem solved.
Maybe if this takes off raw milk will show up on health questionnaires or be in the fine print as a pre existing condition
They don’t pay out the bills lol. I imagine they’ll work on dismantling the ACA/“Obamacare.” Insurance will cover nothing.
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Same as every other money minded entity, if they speak out they’ll be shouted down or destroyed. Ethics don’t matter, number go up.
they can just outright deny them im guessing, the consumer bought it, knowingly.
And theyll somehow blame Dems
Fascists always turn on each other.
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I mean… science says it’s dangerous. Reality says it’s dangerous. And soon, for many, entropy will remember that it was dangerous.
Science doesn’t say that. Control freak whiners say it.
Brother, why do you think pasteurization was invented?
I personally don’t see an issue with people wanting to eat risky foods, but don’t try and tell us that we shouldn’t warn you that they are risky and could harm you. What happens after is your responsibility, but at least allow people to make an informed decision first rather than cover up the obvious health risks.
When there choice can harm others by spreading of disease we should care.
It’s not a this only affects them situation.
Plus, these people inflict these risks on their kids which should be child abuse. The kids aren’t able to make an informed choice.
Because it’d take a week in a shitty wooden “tanker” to move milk from farms into the Parisian slums.
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Milk still needs to be transported from farms to consumers regardless of whether or not it was pasteurized.
Salmonella outbreak tied to raw milk products from often-implicated firm may have sickened 165
“According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from 1998 through 2018, there were 202 outbreaks linked to drinking raw milk These outbreaks caused 2,645 illnesses and 228 hospitalizations. CDC points out that most foodborne illnesses are not a part of recognized outbreaks, and for every illness reported, many others occur.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/updates-bird-flu-outbreak-now-linked-raw-milk/story?id=116479974
"Updates on the bird flu outbreak, now linked to raw milk products in California
The first case of bird flu in a person was confirmed in April by the CDC."
"Nearly a dozen cats in California have died since early December after consuming raw milk or raw pet food contaminated with bird flu, health officials have said.
The infections have followed a massive outbreak of the bird flu virus in dairy cows, which has affected in more than 900 U.S. dairy herds in 16 states. About 80 percent of those herds are in California.
Federal and state health officials have warned people not to drink raw milk because of the potential for infection with bird flu and a host of other germs. Officials also have cautioned pet owners to avoid feeding unpasteurized milk and raw meat diets to their animals."
science literally does.
Science says that if you fall over and hit your head on the ground you might fucking die also.
Wait, are you’re seriously trying to say that raw milk isn’t dangerous??
If I may, I’d like to ask you to read a few resources that will help illustrate how consuming raw milk has the potential to be incredibly dangerous with the hope that you will take this seriously.
The Center for Disease Control is a good place to start where they illustrate what pasteurizing means and why we do it:
Next, I’d suggest you look into the complications that can arise as a result of consuming raw milk:
Dangers associated with raw milk consumption
And finally, I’d recommend you read up on the misconceptions and flat-out lies you’ve been led to believe about the “safety” of consuming unpasteurized milk:
Hope this helps you out!
Any bets if that CDC link is still working in 2026?
Legal in the UK and they’re fine. I don’t need help whatsoever. Clotted cream is fucking delicious.
Again, clotted cream is pasteurized in the cooking process. This is very well known. I think you’re being willfully obtuse at this point.
And for the record, “it’s fucking delicious” isn’t a thing anyone considers when deciding wether or not something is safe to consume. For example:
Typically, pizza is cooked at between 800-900 degrees Fahrenheit, or 259-260 degrees Celsius. However… while I wouldn’t suggest you eat it at that temperature….
I’d be willing to bet it’s fucking delicious.
Fucking hell, you people don’t even understand what pasteurization is. The temperature is literally not raised high enough to qualify as being under NA health regulations.
Yes… it is.
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“Mmmm! This cyanide tastes just like almonds!”
Clotted Cream isn’t the same thing as raw milk.
https://www.roddas.co.uk/faqs/
"IS CLOTTED CREAM PASTEURISED?
Yes it is pasteurised and therefore is it safe for both children and pregnant women to eat and enjoy.
IS CLOTTED CREAM SAFE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN TO EAT?
Yes, it’s pasteurised, so it’s perfectly safe for those with a bun in the oven."
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One of the key manufacturers of clotted cream says in their very own FAQ page, TWICE, that you’re wrong.
The reason it’s not for export is that it’s not shelf stable enough to export. Totally different issue from pasturuzation.
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Some odd use of the word “fine” I’m not familiar with:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/raw_milk
Is raw milk safe?
Raw milk can carry dangerous bacteria such as salmonella, e-coli, listeria and campylobacter.
A 2019 Public Health England review finds raw milk responsible for 26 outbreaks of intestinal infectious disease in England and Wales between 1992 and 2017. These involved 343 people and resulted in 41 hospitalisations. There were no outbreaks between 2003 and 2013, but seven occured between 2014 and 2017.
Pasteurised milk was the cause of 12 outbreaks during the same 25-year timeframe: 10 due to pasteurisation failures and two to post-pasteurisation contamination.
“In terms of food safety, from a microbiological point of view, drinking raw milk is not safe", says Dr Jorge Gutierrez-Merino, a lecturer in food microbiology at the University of Surrey. “Raw milk may contain many different pathogenic microbes, including some deadly bacteria, which could cause fatal infections, mainly in children, the elderly and immunocompromised people", adds Dr Gutierrez-Merino.
A representative of FSA says “a ban of raw cow’s drinking milk was introduced in Scotland in 1983", adding it poses“a high risk to public health […] with 12 potentially associated deaths in Scotland in the early 1980s".
In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, raw milk is sampled and tested four times a year by hygiene inspectors. The farms are inspected twice a year and the herd must be healthy and free from brucellosis and tuberculosis.
If testing detects the presence of harmful bacteria or is ‘inconclusive’, the relevant local authority must be informed and sales of raw drinking milk must cease immediately. The cause of the problem must be identified and corrective action taken. Sales can resume after at least two consecutive tests from different batches of milk proving its safety.
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travel and learn
All over the world people are doing really dumb things.
If you’re using “travel and learn” as a way to illustrate the idea that this is what allowed you to arrive at your point that raw milk is safe, It’s clearly ineffective advice.
I’m going to kindly ask that you stop with the misinformation.
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Lol have fun with your bird flu
Why do these fucking morons always want the objectively worst thing? The absolute dumbest thing you can think of and they’re all for it. Why is the world like this now? I can’t fucking stand it. “Let’s get rid of the FDA and OSHA!” Like, what the fuck is this horse shit. This shouldn’t be allowed to happen! I’m legitimately losing my sanity more and more each day.
it’s because the government wants to fuck of us over duuude !! everything they say we should do opposite!! the government is a giant monolith and every human that works for them magically agrees to the same ideologies which force us to drink raw milk!! because they agreed pasteurized milk is good therefore it is bad !!
that’s really all they think
Because they know what milk is supposed to taste like. You clearly don’t.
What’s wrong with the taste of pasteurized milk? Does the salmonella in the raw milk give it extra spiciness or something?
See this is what I mean. You have literally no idea what milk actually tastes like, just that sugar water sold in stores these days.
That’s not an answer.
Also, I don’t see any sugar listed here as an added ingredient, just the sugar that’s naturally in cow’s milk. You know cow’s milk naturally has sugar in it, right? Even the raw kind?
Is Müller lying to the British government?
That is absolutely an answer. You need to try it at least once in your life, you literally don’t know what you are talking about.
Your answer was based on the falsehood that the milk I drink has added sugar, which it does not.
So sure, it’s an answer, it’s just a lying answer.
You can go ahead and say “we.” You’re clearly one of them.
There ain’t a boot anyone on this shitty website won’t try swallow.
Demonstrably incorrect. For instance, Lemmy users seem to not find the boots you suckle palatable at all.
Unfortunately this wil presumably only be American conservatives.
Will they die?
The second best outcome is suicide by stupidity.
The best is they stop being stupid.
Ehhhhh…
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stop. don’t. come back…
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98% certain this is Poe’s Law in action, but the ideas are stupid enough to merit removal.
Insert Gene Wilder pic here.
Yes, Poe’s law. I was trying to toe the line on satire and actual things I’ve actually heard conservatives say. Thanks for doing good work and keeping that junk to a minimum, even if my satire gets caught in the crossfire.
help… police… murder
because charlie, they are all a bunch of nitwits
Big year for Tuberculosis
