Anything better?
I’ve been using Tuta for damn near a decade, and it’s been great for me.
I just got an account and had no idea it’s that old
Existed since 2011
Tutanota?
disroot and autistici have been providing decentralised communication services (like email) free of cost for many years. They are both run by activists and survive on donations, and they don’t spy on you or get any money from your data. Also they run freedom-respecting software, so all their code is publicly auditable.
I was looking at Tuta after the whole proton CEO thing, but these look really interesting. Thanks
tuta
As someone just barely scraping by month to month, I needed something free and Tuta was the answer. 1gb is not bad at all, and a good choice for someone starting their degoogle journey.
Get a domain and set up a provider with custom domains such as Purelymail
Buying your own domain.
You can then use whatever provider, or host your email service… but at least you don’t need to change addresses when switching anymore.But then you need to do spam filtering for ages
If your mail server supports aliases, you can make one for each site you sign up for. Then if you start getting a bunch of spam, you can delete the alias and you will know which site sold your information.
What to do with that info tho, damage already done no?
Yes and no… say if you gave the email address [email protected] when signin up and you start receiving garbage on it, you just delete the alias and move on.
The trick is that you can have several aliases go into the same inbox so you only have to check one place, but each thing is given its own IP making it easier to identify and filter culprits.I suppose you mean IP in the allegorical sense in terms of ip filtering to email filtering.
Its an interesting thought!
That was supposed to be ‘address’ as in email address, not sure how autocorrect figured that one.
You know not to trust that site with any more information. Once the alias is deleted, anything sent to it will result in a delivery failure and you won’t get any more spam from anyone they sold that address to.
This is the way.
How can I learn how to set this up?
The basic steps are:
- Register a domain of your choice
- Select who you are setting up your email with (plenty of different providers, Zoho has a basic free plan that would be suitable for a single domain and only a few users at most; Google, outlook etc. also sell services for custom domains)
- Configure the DNS records for your domain to whatever your chosen email provider says (MX records to point to the mail server and some records for DMARC & DKIM to prevent your email being spoofed)
- Test it all works and start using it
I’m not going to write a full tutorial so if it sounds interesting I suggest you do more research. The email hosting is typically focused at businesses as they are most likely to be wanting to host email on a custom domain.
Just make sure your domain registrar is renewable from an alternate email in case shit hits the fan you don’t want to be locked out if something interrupts the service and bow your email doesn’t work and you can’t verify who you are… because… your email doesn’t work.
Speaking from experience?
That seems rough.Luckily no, but someone else on Lemmy has had this happen. It sounds like it would be a very bad time haha.
MXRoute is what I use as my domain’s email server and it’s good enough. The included browser email clients (it offers multiple) are sort of trash but if you just use your own it’s perfect. It’s pretty cheap too
I started doing this, maybe 15 years ago, but if I look through my spam folder now, most of it is to the email address I used before I began using unique addresses (the rest is to random addresses in my domains that I’ve never used).
My hypotheses from that are that
- there is probably less ‘selling of email lists’ going on than we think
- I’m less interested in dubious internet sites than I used to be
- or (most likely) these days, your internet thing has to be offering me some real value if I’m going to consciously give you any of my data.
Not all providers let you use your own domain.
Not all providers deserve your business.
One option i haven’t seen mentioned is Startmail. They also have a searh engine that’s okay.
purelymail, or if one guy running email by himself makes you feel uncomfortable, migadu
Migadu is like two guys running email? 😂 no 2FA support
Imap doesnt support 2fa.
IMAP protocol as well email clients do not support second factor authentication for the mailboxes. Even if they did, IMAP connections are made way too often which would make authentication unusable. Imagine needing to enter your TOTP token every few minutes. We could enable 2FA on the webmail, but IMAP/POP/SMTP accesses remain unprotected which beats the purpose. We are working on solution here which will allow sand-boxing a username/password pair to a webmail use only. We do offer so called App-specific passwords via mailbox identities though. These are commonly touted by email providers as 2FA. They are not.
two guys running email?
Is it? I can’t tell from the about me. It says “In 2014, two of us, Michael Bruderer and Dejan Strbac, started…”, but nothing else on the page talks about the size of the company. It started as two people, but is it currently two people? Anyone know?
no 2FA support
The webmail client does have 2FA, but when connecting via client there is no 2FA. Although, not sure what this would look like. Would you enter a TOTP every time you want to connect to the IMAP server? Or do you mean more like an OAuth2 flow, like Gmail, and that asks for your TOTP?
I actually haven’t gotten around to playing with purelymail. Not sure if they handle this differently. What service are you thinking about?
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I have also been very content with Posteo.
Besides the lack of custom domain support Posteo is cheap and great. Stellar support team.
Just leaving my vote for fastmail. They are wicked.
I was with fastmail for more than a decade.
They’re the best platform.
Their spam protection is so-so. Not as good as Gmail but better than some others.
Their pricing is egregiously expensive.
Their tech support is painfully slow for anything above chatGPT level.
Glad to see a completely honest review. All I ever see is “Fastmail best mail” without much explanation as to why.
What a glowing review
Yeah well, it wasn’t intended to be all positive.
I migrated all my stuff (small business) to mxroute because I couldn’t justify the cost for fasmtail.
I really like and use fastmail.
Although I have just started to try to completely de-google. Its a bit frustrating that they don’t offer an apk download. I put in a ticket today saying as much.
They seemed to understand,but basically just said that all I can do is to use the browser version.
I’m using aurora store to download their official google play version for now but it feels icky.
They are obviously now the only ones that I am having trouble with but I thought that they might be more willing to help people distance themselves from Gmail and Google, as Gmail is their obvious competition.
The Fastmail app itself is mostly a wrapper around the web app with integrations for notifications etc. Sans notifications it works perfectly as an installed PWA on Android. Ive been using it like that for months.
Alternatively there are lots of IMAP apps available. I was testing Thunderbird for Android recently and that works pretty well too.
Disclaimer: I work for Fastmail. But any opinions I have on here are my own.
ahh aurora store is perfectly fine. I use it with an anonymous session. I think there should be sites that let you download the APK directly, but you wouldn’t get updates.
It’s probably fine to use one of these methods, just don’t forget to update. 😁
I use the FairEmail client
A couple months ago, I would have said Proton. But…
Here we are.
What’s up with Proton?
I never trusted them 100% so I never paid for their services and didn’t really follow up with their privacy and stuff. Just used their free services from time to time.
In bed with fascists
And not subtly like banks were back in WW2. Straight up endorsement.
Wants you in their slow web UIs. Requires a middleman application just to use IMAP—which requires payment. Paid plans are pretty expensive if all you need additionally is CalDAV/CardDAV many will offer for $2 or less a month instead of $5.
…& these are gripes before the right-leaning heel turn.
I switched to Proton about 6 months ago.
Wish I had waited. Ah well.
Domains are cheap, buy one and then you can jump between whatever services aren’t caught up in the outrage of the moment.
I did, but I already paid for two years (plus did a bunch of work to migrate files over). So I’ll be here for a bit.
I’m in exactly the same boat. Swapped both my Dropbox and emails over to Proton about 6 months ago and paid for 2 years, sigh
Sorry for the question but I’m a little lost here. What happened with Proton?
Supporting Republicans (probably because they’re porn bans drive VPN purchases), adding AI features and a crypto wallet while their drive still lacks basic features, and some other smaller stiff like their shitty article about Deepseak.
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Ding ding! After the Proton fiasco, I got a domain and have started moving my accounts to that email, which connects to Tuta
I was looking at moving to Proton as this all went down. Those plans are on hold.
After reading through it, I am having trouble figuring out how to read his comments because I wonder if there is some different cultural references or simplification going on between the Swis exec and American readers.
It was absolutely a stupid comment and was then the response was handed badly, but I don’t know that I read it as aligning with Fascism.
This is the best writeup I can find: https://archive.ph/2025.01.29-213655/https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
https://gitlab.com/simple-nixos-mailserver/nixos-mailserver
cracked it for me
What hardware is needed if you want to run this cheap and quiet? What you are using?
I recommended looking up the problems with self hosting a mail server first. Just go with Tuta imo, its cheaper and easier.
I use the lowest cost vps and domain name I can find. OVH black Friday deals and lcn free UK domains as a starting point and practice moving host and registrar so as not to be dependent on either. Only after you are independent of vendors is it worth taking this approach IMHO. Beware if you “forget” to renew your domain many sharks about will take it, gather your data or ransom the name.
Protonmail
Did you miss when its founder sided with Republicans (the current ones, mind you) or are you ok with it?
protonmail, tuta or guerillamail. i’m using proton, it is great, even the free version
I liked proton. Until they announced their intention to gargle MAGA balls.
Have since migrated to Tutanota
Saaaame.
for me migrating isn’t so easy. ppl will be mad at me, they are mad already why i left gmail they can’t reach me
