I don’t know anything but isn’t Guantanamo Bay, like, kinda small?
That’s only an issue if you assume they’ll be treated with any humanity
All the better for them to die faster of unliveable conditions, it seems
I think that’s a bonus for Trump. Also, Cuba should reject our lease on the land.
To the best of my knowledge, although the U.S. makes “lease payments” on the land the prison sits on, they do not have the authorization of the Cuban government, which in turn has not cashed those checks.
Oh my God, what if they cashed them all at once and emptied out America’s checking account.
Don’t worry, they’ll find a way to pack people in. Maybe some kind of high energy weight loss system like their role models used in the 1940s?
This is bad juju. The detention camps from the first cycle with this fascists was nothing on what we’re seeing ramping up here.
Don’t worry, they’ll find a way to pack people in. Maybe some kind of high energy weight loss system like their role models used in the 1940s?
I’m sure they are already working on the final solution.
Now I want someone to ask trump “what’s your final solution for these people?”
Yes, it’s a camp where he plans to concentrate people.
At it’s peak it held about 800 prisoners, kinda impossibly small for the numbers discussed here.
Edit-- Well, trump did say “Most people don’t even know that we have 30,000 beds in Guantanamo”, I guess file me with most people. Must be incredible how they scaled up while simultaneously closing camps and losing facilities to disrepair, apparently.
Doesn’t matter how many beds they have, Trump doesn’t want them making it past the showers.
But I’m sure there will be all sorts of bipartisan and humanitarian oversight. Right?
Right?
It’s not like you can just make a single “undocumented” person disappear. Let alone their whole nuclear family. What would the rest of their family say?
Probably “can I crash in your attic”.
Could it be that Trump is lying?
This feels like “how many dead babies can you fit in a trash can?”
Depends on how good your blender is.
I must’ve missed that episode of “Will it Blend”.
Doesn’t seem like misreporting. I found other sources reporting it too.
I sent a text to those I love in any capacity, even former coworkers who’ve probably deleted my number. Not a group text - one by one. I think it’d be prudent for all US readers to consider doing the same.
Knowing some of you are like me, in that you might not know how to word such a text to someone not expecting it from you, I offer you my copy/pasted text:
America has a concentration camp now. I won’t send you anything more…it’s kind of rude that I’m sending this one. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/donald-trump-announces-plan-to-send-migrants-guantanamo-bay/
Arm the undocumented.
What will it take, Americans? What will it take? What will it take.
To this day we still question how could the Germans watch Hitler and the Nazis come to power. Well we’re learning how, in real time.
“I’m still too comfortable, I need to pay my bills” should be the summoning chant for fascism.
I would add something like, “But this is important and the people need to know about it.” at the end. It highlights the gravity of the situation and subtly encourages recipients to do the same.
for those of you who live in the US: there must surely be Republican voters being appalled by this too, right? Right?
62% of the country supports deporting all illegals. Something that would be unbelievable a decade or two ago is now true for most Americans.
A strong majority of the country supports putting millions of people in camps and keeping them there for years. Of course GOP is more fervently against it- the same GOP that idolizes Reagan who gave blanket citizenship to millions of illegals.
100% of that 62% have no idea at all what is going to happen to many services they depend on. Doesn’t matter if it’s the price of food on the table going up because the farm workers disappeared or the person disappearing who has the necessary but unglamorous job of cleaning bedpans at the nursing home, they’re all very important jobs that people will miss immediately, and they can often be done by migrants or illegal workers.
The thing is, I’d almost be willing to go through a hard period if it served as a lesson to all the ignorant Americans out there that would last at least a generation.
But it won’t.
They’ll be manipulated into believing the other side, and immigrants, are the cause of their suffering, despite they themselves giving total power to Republicans.
The Germans didn’t realize the error of their ways until the rest of the world killed the fuck out of them and invaded their country and their economy completely collapsed and their government was rebuilt with the guidance of their invaders. I’m assuming it’ll take at least that much to convince ignorant conservatives why their ideology isn’t compatible with the future.
Yes, for most of my life I thought we would never get rid of the illegals for precisely this reason. They are so integrated into our economy that eliminating them would cause a huge fallout. Almost 15 million people here. And they’re dramatically over-represented in specific industries.
So for example, you mentioned food. Agriculture, especially in the SW, runs on illegal labor. Construction all over the country runs on illegal labor. The people washing dishes at restaurants, the people cleaning up offices at night, the people working at landscaping companies, etc.
All of those industries are about to experience a severe supply shock of labor. This is going to mean increased prices for food, for landscaping, for construction, etc. Not only that, the services are going to be increasingly harder to staff. It’s really hard to find an American willing to relocate to rural areas to dig holes. It’s hard to find ones that are willing to pick fruit, etc.
Not to mention the effect that 15 million less consumers eating at local restaurants, buying products from Amazon, paying rent, will have.
And the worst part of it, the part that scares me, is that I’m certain Trump and his allies know this. They are entirely aware of the potential consequences of what they are doing. It does not take an economic savant to understand this and certainly Trump has some very smart advisors around him. So they are aware and they are doing it anyway.
What does that imply? That means they are willing to nuke our economy for this (throw in tariffs too while we’re at it). And when I say nuke I mean nuke- there’s no going back after this. We’re causing permanent long-term structural damage. Why would he be willing to do this?
I fear because there’s a lot worse on the horizon. Global war will overshadow the economic fallout from these decisions and will be pointed to as the cause of the near-future economic woes. Maybe I’m jumping to conclusions here, but this is not a good omen. It’s sort of like suicidal people giving away all their money before they off themselves. It’s a red flag.
I think we’re fucked with a capital F
Wouldn’t be surprised. Never waste a crisis. Nationalize things, martial law. Who knows what power grabs trump would make.
Who knows what power grabs trump would make.
I 100% do not expect our government to be recognizable, or functional, by the end of this. However long it lasts.
Something that would be unbelievable a decade or two ago
The GOP’s propaganda really did a number on easily manipulated Americans. Turns out, the internet was a really, really good tool to spread hatred.
Nah. If there’s a percentage of conservatives who have come to realize the mistake they’ve made, it’s vanishingly small.
We’re talking about a group of people uniformly ignorant and hateful. You have to be to support the conservative ideology. Those are prerequisites.
Some of the single-issue voters probably are, but not enough to actually vote against their single issue in the future.
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Yes.
Our people are horrible, vindictive morons.
And I don’t mean that from a place of emotional response to bad things, I am saying all of this dispassionately and analytically. The country has a large population of people who are objectively horrible, and vindication has become our primary focus for political action, and this is all because they’re generally morons.
I can’t even really exaggerate or overplay this. The average American’s intelligence is worse than abysmal. I used to lead a team of data-workers at a large company, we had nice, casual morning meetings and talked about the latest events for about a half hour before work. I ended up in the position of people bringing me news stories and headlines to “translate” for them. I had to explain what planets are, I had to explain how gravity works, I had to explain how democracy works, I had to explain history and math and facts and ratios and words like “industrious” or “ambivalent” every day, over and over. AND I’M NOT A SMART PERSON. I have always prided myself on being informed, but at some point I became the one-eyed king in the land of the blind and I hate it.
Everything here is going to get so, so much worse because I know how far down the barrel goes, and we haven’t even touched the bottom yet.
Yup.
Remove Donald Trump and Republicans from the equation and you still have a nation overflowing with unrealistically ignorant and hateful people.
That problem doesn’t go away with whoever’s in charge of our politics.
Our situation is 100% guaranteed to get much, much worse. And probably for the rest of our lives.
They’ll claim they disagree with it and they don’t like Trump (except for -insert all his policies-) and then vote for him for a third term when he makes that legal. They need to pretend not to salivate about oppressing brown people when they are in polite company but that’s about it.
Le perma stun keeps as expected
Does anyone know how big is Guantanamo? It takes a lot of space to imprison 30,000 “worst of the worst” children and other people, along with guards and supplies to keep all of them alive.
Aside from the other glaring problems with this idea, is this even physically plausible?
Edit: I came across an article stating:
- the original detention center built by Clinton for terrorists, could hold 12,500, in poor conditions even for terrrorists
- 30,000 would be quite a bit larger than any Nazi concentration camps
Why are you assuming they need supplies to keep them alive? You’re forgetting that cruelty is the point for project 2025
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The way I understand it we have these places in the US call prisons and they are used to house criminals. I guess the only problem with that is in order to put people in them they have to be guilty of a crime.
Well, they also dont allow torture and murder.
Edit: Wait, yeah they do. Rape too.
And only $13 million per year in 2019, https://archive.ph/oOiK4 , per inmate that’s $390,000,000,000 per year. Sounds like a great use of tax payer money.
Let’s be realistic here…orange Don doesn’t expect any of those people to still be alive after a year, what with all the accidents involving upper storey windows that could just happen at any time, or maybe someone could call for a code red.
Just a random selection of 30,000 people or for an actual reason?
Well, it’s somewhat color dependent.
Sooo…not orange, then?
MAGA has a hardon for cruelty. It’s about hurting people. They love the idea a rounding up non-white people, loading them into boxcars, and shipping them off to concentration camps. Everything that Trump has done so far is going make billionaires richer and regular Americans much poorer but as long as he’s hurting non-whites they will sit around giving each other rage handies and praising him.
Right wing politics in a nutshell
Exclusion & Sadism
Can I just make the point here that Not All Sadists
Well yeah, There are Leftist sadist too
but as long as he’s hurting non-whites they will sit around giving each other rage handies and praising him
What I find fascinating is the right-wing illegal immigration latinos who support Trump. Up until now they’ve been saying “He’s not going to deport us, he’s deporting the criminals”. I just read a news article about half of the people they’ve arrested so far did not have any criminal records.
White House press secretary goes live the other day and says “We’re going to deport all of them. They’re all criminals as far as I’m concerned”
I think people have this instinctual burning desire to feel part of an “in-group” and to hate against an “out-group”. It’s such a strong burning desire that people will jump through so many mental hoops even when they are in the “out-group”.
Note that being illegal is not a crime. It’s like when you get a parking ticket. It’s against the law but it isn’t a criminal violation. But of course the administration doesn’t care and neither does the army of rabid Americans cheering on the destruction of the country.
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America’s first camp…in 83 years.
Thanks conservatives.
It won’t be the last
It’s sorta like a camp, but concentrated on one type of person…
Welcome to Camp Green Lake!
There should be a name for such a thing
Maybe a motto.
Maybe something like “Work will set you free.”Or “To each their own”.
What does this reference?
That was written on the gate at the Buchenwald concentration camp (“Jedem das Seine”)
Ah, I didn’t know this one. I only knew work will set you free. Thank you
Bloody sickening.
Oh I see what he is doing here, screw over 30.000 people, then send them over to their biggest enemies to learn a how to take revenge. America collapse soeedrun
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Don’t worry, there will be camps in Texas too.
There are camps in Texas
On US soil people have the right to legally challenge their imprisonment.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/10/timeline-20-years-of-guantanamo-bay-prison
It was a national embarrassment when Bush opened the prison, it was a national embarrassment when successive presidents didn’t close it, and it’s a national travesty that Trump is going to use it to imprison 30,000 people that haven’t even been suspected of committing a crime.
Can’t be seen trying to lower emmisions by having shorter flights to their concentration camps, that is teetering dangerously on the edge of woke… probably, it’s hard to nail down where their version of woke is.
Yeah but at least last time, Germany got some rail improvements and highway funding out of the whole thing. Silver lining, I suppose.
We can’t even get that if they are getting flown off to gitmo.
They might be able to escape in Texas. Trump’s cronies know this.
