Nice try, FBI
We have had one there for 25 years now.
Yeah, I voted for Harris. Unfortunately, 6.27 Million 2020 Biden voters did not do the same.
Do you live in one of the 7 states where that even mattered?
It matters for all of us, we have a way to contact the whole world at our fingertips.
What we desperately needed and still need now is to support the DNC without fail, to convince people to vote blue no matter who. With better outreach we can right all the wrongs, with 60 D senators we can pass everything needed to fix this nation.
The Blue no matter who thing is how you got here. It’s not a good strategy to always be like ‘the other guy is literally Hitler’, also, we’ll copy some of Hitler’s border policies, and we’ll go on the campaign trail with some of the people that enabled the previous guy that we called Hitler.
If you want to get people that aren’t just committed democrats to vote for you, you need to offer them something, don’t just say the other choice is worse.
The Trump votes barely changed, the Democrat votes decreased.
How we got here is explicitly exactly the opposite of us voting blue no matter who.
And far more didn’t vote at all.
Let’s stop acting like we’re so surprised. Millions were told repeatedly what would happen and they did. Not. Care.
This is America. In all its ugliness. We truly need to own it because enough people here did not care.
Thats what I said, they didn’t vote at all. Trump votes did increase but only barely. The DNC voters just stayed home because everybody shits on them online.
Just because they voted for Biden does not mean they were registered Democrats. A lot of people turned out for Biden because we were hot off the first Trump term so a lot of leftists/progressives/independents voted for Biden when they normally wouldn’t have. Unfortunately they have memories the size of a goldfish’s or legitimately hated Biden and didn’t turn out this time and in fact worked to depress the vote as much as possible.
By DNC voters I meant people who voted for the DNC in 2020, explicitly.
If they wanted to vote for a right wing reactionary they would have voted for Trump, not the one pandering to his base.
Enjoy Fascism then, innocent blood is on your hands.
The blood is on the hands of anyone that supported the duopoly. Fascism has been here but liberals have been too distracted at brunch to pay attention. Everytime they accept ‘lesser evil’ they are accepting incremental fascism…
The USA is a first past the post system.
The choices were good and bad. “Not supporting the duopoly” gave fascism. You’re effectively a fascist, that is your impact on the world.
The choices were shit and shit regardless of who won, the red fascist or the blue fascists.
Let me key you in- everyone thinks you’re a shithead. No one gives a fuck how sanctimonious you feel for “voting your conscience” when it’s clear you and people like you allowed the worst possible option to assume power.
Because your “purity” is doing fuck all for the people that are going to go to camps, have their healthcare fucked with, their entire lives upended.
Sincerely, eat shit.
It sounds like somebody got triggered, liberals put Trump into power by being ineffective at governing and ratcheting all of the Republican right-wing legislation that’s put in place over the last 50 years. If liberals bothered to hold their own politicians accountable and refuse to support them when they did actions that directly targeted the working class, someone like Biden or Trump would never have had the opportunity to come into office.
Yours is the party that is willing to overlook a genocide and in some cases deny that there is a genocide, a party that labeled protesters to that genocide as terrorists. That has laid the groundwork and built the foundation for things like mass deportation, militarizing police departments which Trump will now weaponize. Liberals that spent 50 years accepting small amounts of lesser evil which in turn accepting incremental fascism.
This is a bed that liberals have made for themselves and the rest of the country and now they’re really uncomfortable with it. They love talking about purity tests while allowing their own politicians to get away with everything that they want to because they know that liberal voters are ignorant enough to keep coming back and elect them, because they have no red line, they have no backbone.
Liberal voters are so ineffective at creating change they target the symptoms of a corrupt system and not the system of exploitation itself. In case this is not clear, Trump is a symptom of a corrupted system. And by refusing to address that corrupted system that their party is part of. They continue to harm the marginalized communities that they constantly virtue signal for. But it’s very difficult to see that harm that you are inflicting when you’re busy at brunch when your president is in office
Simple I couldn’t vote due to. Kamala deciding to stay silent in my offers. I don’t align with speeches but visions. I asked for a private dinner to discuss these future.
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Right yes I actually meant to ignore you and comment on the next person down.
Understood. Though if that comment “Fascism is on your hands” was to me. As stated here I’ve already prevented a take over of our government once. Alongside in communication with NATO and The UN and China. To help prevent fascism and expansionism. Though it is only if they decide to listen. So in the end it is on their hands if they do not listen. I am doing my best to prevent or halt events but one can only do so far.
Poll aggregates projected a trump victory the entire cycle. It is not just suppression or intimidation, it is that we who did vote did not manage to convince everybody else to vote with us.
ok, so the answer is ‘no’ for you, then
If they stayed from bush to now. Throughout the Obama years and Biden years, first trump. They will probably stay for the next 20 presidents
Who are you people making this a left v right thing??? How is trump opening a concentration camp housing tens of thousands of people remotely similar to legacy prisons housing what, 36 people?
Bad faith - bad faith - bad faith.
I dunno man…are you? I can’t afford to go to prison. I have three kids that rely on me for sustenance and a house. Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently. I’m emailing politicians, trying to make good points online, and protest. I think that’s all I can do right now. Now, if my family is threatened, or I can no longer provide for my family, then we’ll talk again.
Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently.
Woof. I remember saying that back in 2017. Four years later…
I think we’re starting to see in real time why nobody stopped Hitler either.
Yup. I’ve seen in my own family. Started in November with the anti Nazi talk. Then around Christmas the Biden whataboutisms started: Yeah but Biden is actually doing stuff Trump started so they are both bad. Now I am hearing the same points @alteon made. Anything to keep from doing the right thing and fight fascism bc I have an early meeting, the kids have soccer practice, well I don’t see any of it so its not as bad as the internet makes it sound, blah blah blah.
And the US is about 28 times larger than Germany, making it even harder for people to travel to a focal point of power to resist.
Joining an armed resistance has a high chance of death. Turns out a lot of people like being alive. I can see why other countries saw a bit more resistance too, when your country voted for it there is probably an impression many support it
The people in power that are supposed to stop this aren’t. AOC is trying to rally people, but not sure how effective it’s going to be yet.
Anything you do as an individual is likely to fail and only make things way, way worse. So you tell me man…what should I do that I’m not already doing?
Nothing. It ain’t on us to fix shit. Our side of things has been broken since before any of us were born.
Everyone who was supposed to prevent this and had the power to do so either tried and failed or didn’t bother.
Right now the objective is “Survive”, the bad guys have already won.
Yep.
And then the US said to Germany, “We too, can do Auschwitz.”
I plan on complaining about it on the Internet. That’ll show 'em!
In the presidential campaign, when Trump said he would help out the average person, yet he filled his cabinet with nazi billionaires. I mean, what are we to believe, a criminal is held accountable, or something? Ha ha, boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
what are we to believe
Why Fox News, Newsmax and random cryptofucks of course!
That seems to be the sentiment
Ok, what are YOU going to about it? You’ve stomped your feet and pointed your finger at just about everyone else in this thread, what’s your plan?
My plan is to stand with the people who oppose this. Thats my plan.
Lol ok bud. Sounds more like a concept of a plan.
Your right friend. Getting involved in my community, being responsible for my neighbor, and advocating for justice is only a concept of a plan. Forcing myself out of bed in the morning, being a leader in the workplace and practicing my beliefs, being involved in local elections etc. Are details you are entirely uninterested in.
Hate to break it to you, but those are baseline minimums for being a decent human being, not a contingency plan to actively resist fascism.
Yep, we are all going to have to be decent human beings.
What do you suggest?
You can, if you are crafty, get a plane to Cuba for less than 300 bucks, and then organize a resistance movement in there against gitmo
Should be fairly easy
Execute operation reverse elian gonzalez
A consideration to the ending of slavery in the United States was the advent of photography. Film was used to share the horror of the Nazi concentration camps in WW2 because they knew there would be people who deny history. Israel denied access and targeted journalists in Gaza for over a year for a reason.
Public perception sways from indifference to protests when they can’t look away from the destructive results. It’s the whole reason black sites like Guantanamo Bay exist in the first place and were used to hold extradited citizens without due process for years, they want to pretend the Constitution doesn’t exist and they haven’t sworn oaths to it and will do everything they can to hide their crimes.
@[email protected] Just pointed this out. We already see the horror every day. Aint nothing going to happen.
Obama didn’t, even with a supermajority in the Senate. This is the problem with neoiberalism taking over the D party. Trump certainly isn’t going to.
Obama didn’t open a concentration camp
He allowed extra-judicial torture practices there against UNHR and any humanitarian objections. He didn’t do what Trump is going to, but he allowed it to normalize and continue despite the power to stop it, and makes it less of a leap for a right wing freak to make something like this happen. It’s not a “thanks Obama”, but people down voting holding Obama to account for keeping it open want Dems to be blameless despite complicity in the neoliberal bullshit dating back to Clinton as the party swung for corporate interests and abandoned their humanity.
This has nothing to do with the democrats. Sit down you propagandist.
If you truly haven’t connected the dots as to why the slide to the right of Democrats enabled Trump to win, and win again, I pity you.
Throwing labels at me because you can’t refute the point is always the mark of someone on the correct side. Rest easy!
Now y’all care about gitmo?
Fuck off with your performative bullshit.
Conservatives will say anything. To be clear, I mean you.
Nothing is more performative then your dumb ass using the weakest argument imaginable to defend trump opening a concentration camp.
I am not your straw man. You will not knock me down.
Already did it. Got the fuck out. It’s not like I can swim to Gitmo.
At this point, beyond enduring, I’m afraid there is no “non violent” options. And to be clear, I don’t think non-violent options are going to improve anything, just that there’s not much else to do.
Agreed that there is no non-violent way to stop this admin from making concentration camps in Guantanamo, but there are plenty of things you can do to keep people from ending up in those camps without using violence.
Most undocumented people get snatched up outside of their homes. Keeping an eye out for ICE, and breaking their cover is a huge help (Just walk up to them and say ‘Hi’, ask what they are doing and in general occupy their time with innocuous conversation), you can also provide food and financial assistance to your affected neighbors, as they may be unable to work without getting snatched. Make an emergency plan with them for who to contact, and if they have an immigration lawyer in the case that they get grabbed. If anyone with a badge actually asks about them, you don’t know shit, you’ve never seen shit.
I dunno what I can do besides get out of the US or sewer slide.
"To understand revolutionary suicide it is first necessary to have an idea of reactionary suicide, for the two are very different. Reactionary suicide: the reaction of a man who takes his own life in response to social conditions that overwhelm him and condemn him to helplessness.”
“I do not think that life will change for the better without an assault on the Establishment, which goes on exploiting the wretched of the earth. This belief lies at the heart of the concept of revolutionary suicide. Thus it is better to oppose the forces that would drive me to self-murder than to endure them. Although I risk the likelihood of death, there is at least the possibility, if not the probability, of changing intolerable conditions.”
“But before we die, how shall we live? I say with hope and dignity; and if premature death is the result, that death has a meaning reactionary suicide can never have. It is the price of self-respect.”
– Dr. Huey P. Newton
