As this project appears to be fairly unknown in the fediverse still, I’d like to use this opportunity to advertise Flohmarkt. This Fediverse equivalent of Facebook Marketplace already has some instances up and running - see here: https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt/wiki/flohmarkt-instances
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God… remember how fucking simple craigslist was when it hit it’s peak? The fact that Grandpa could take a shaky flip phone picture and post a thing you needed right around the corner, no fat or other frivolous horseshit…
Craigslist is still simple last I checked, but the user base left and now dominated by spam from retail and drop shippers masquerading as local people selling goods from their garage.
Nothing gold can stay
Idk. It’s still got some uses. My dad got a bunch of industrial refrigerator panels for stupid cheap off Craigslist like 6 months ago.
Yeah, you can still get something from the odd crank, but used to be much more practically useful for day to day needs.
At least when I used Craigslist, there was no social network element to it, so it was difficult to determine the trustworthiness of any given poster.
For that reason, I don’t want a Fediverse clone of Craigslist – I want an existing Fediverse platform to add a marketplace. I will not use anonymous marketplaces.
What if you could log in with your Mastodon (or other) Fediverse account, and they would too, so you could see their user history and connections? (And they could see yours)
That would be cool!
“I will not use anonymous marketplaces.”
“I won’t take cash, either” vibes
You can use gpg signatures
That wouldn’t really solve it though. The problem is not a man in the middle attack. It’s someone scamming you. They can do it, then generate another signature, repeat, etc.
Web of trust - did you hear? https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x547.html
So you only trade with people in your web of trust? That’s not feasible. People flock to these websites to trade with strangers. You don’t need a middleman to trade with people you already trust.
#flohmarkt is a tool to publish content in the form of a small ad / classified ad: on other fediverse services it scrolls by in the timeline. On a flohmarkt site it sticks in its place like a slip of paper containing a note on some bulletin board.
People can offer or search for services or goods. The federation radius irl across different flohmarkts can be limited by a distance setting.
Primary goal is to help people meet and exchange services, goods, opinions.
https://chrichri.ween.de/articles/dca424d/flohmarkt-a-federated-small-advertisement-server
I think you replied to the wrong comment chain, but thanks for info.
Friend of friend networks, that’s how classmates have benefits created ( a prototype to “prove” 6 connections theory )
If you feel any kind of meaningful trustworthiness from a Facebook profile, you’ve probably got some other things to worry about…
I don’t agree? Even in big cities, I’ve often seen marketplace posts from people with mutual friends, so I could easily verify their trustworthiness. In other scenarios I can at least check to see if their posting history and/or profile seems legit or if there are any red flags. Having more data helps people decide whether to trust someone, but Craigslist doesn’t allow for that.
But now that FB is overrun by AI bots and real users leave, there won’t be many mutual friends left very soon…
What a horrible name.
It’s German
What a horrible language.
It is well known that only names which are in the devinely decreed English language are acceptable on the internet
Really interesting! can’t wait to see how it progresses along.
Ad-software huh ? Maybe this could solve the monetisation issue of let’s say PeerTube
I don’t think this can be used for monetisation, I am not sure the instance gets a cut of any sales, they are just connecting users.
That is an issue the Fediverse, with its anticapitalist stance, has yet to full address but Ghost is addressing how to monetise content in a Substack way and that subscription model is probably one that would be more acceptable on the Fediverse.
I just set up a Slovenian instance, flohmarkt.gregtech.eu
Edit: which range should I use for it, which one do you recommend?
Maybe you can request your instance to be added here: https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt/wiki/flohmarkt-instances
Already added it
any of them US?
Feel free to host an US instance :)
Cool. If u can host it as a tor hidden service that is a large an influential market that might benefit from such a thing. Haven’t looked but it might need some additional features to work as a decent platform in that sense.
How do I tell someone on the bus to check out this website?
“Just go to fedi.markets”
I don’t see an issue. With any service on the Internet you direct people to the URL of an instance not the underlying code. If they saw “powered by flohmarkt” and asked what that was, I’d say it was German for “flea market” and I imagine they would be satisfied with that.
This is what i need so i can finally delete facebook but unfortunately this is too early and small with nothing piblically uk based and no one looking at it so things would never sell.
Bit of a chicken and egg situation there.
I suppose we could spin up a UK instance or find someone who would but then you’d need numbers to make it work too. However, if people would be interested in using this then speak up and it’d be easier to asses the need. It could be something regional instances bolt on as an added service.
UK instance please! :)
Add to the wiki please :)
Cannot register with either of those instances
Maybe someone may want to put links to Flohmarkt instances on Craigslist or FB Marketplace to put more eyes on it?
The name has already made this nonviable for the average person
It’s not that bad. It’s just German for flea market. And English speakers shouldn’t have an issue with at least “Markt”. Not far from a cognate.
Definitely better names but I think the bigger hurdle is getting the critical mass to get something like marketplace to work in the fediverse even with the perfect name.
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The sentence structure is kinda wonky coming from English, but the vocab isn’t bad. There are tons of cognates.
But telling a friend about this starts with the name. Simple names are easier. And that would just start with making it short. Single syllable being best.
Like eBay, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon?
Yep. It’s kind of annoying when people see everything through an “english” lense and assume anything that isn’t made to work for english speakers won’t work…
Op has a point. Even English names that succeed internationally are somewhat bound by the ability of speakers of other languages to spell and pronounce the name. Y’all are here acting like what they’re saying is hateful or something…
Its even more important to use various word from various language.
English as default also resulting American culture as the most prominent culture.
Newer generation are more acceptable to outside culture, so this will be work. Not to forget, the rest of non-English society already operate in multi language society and get exposed for various culture.
Years ago, people heavily localized Angliscize a lot of Asian media, but now, people are more accepting foreign naming convention. Just take a look at various FOSS porject in Japanese, Hindi, Persia, or Finnish.
No one is saying you cannot have a good German name. Uber is an American company. Shit company but great name. Comes from German and translates to other linguistic communities fairly well
Uber isn’t a German word tho?
Etymology From German über (“above”, preposition), which is also used as a prefix (über-); cognate with over. Entered English through Nietzsche’s use of the word Übermensch. Doublet of over, super and hyper.
Also, the founders are Canadian and American, not Germans
Something, something über alles…
what some people don’t get is that “flea market” is also a bad name. floh just makes it look and sound worse and it’s harder to parse let alone understand and therefore remember.
We have to stop sending end users to software solutions for web admins. We don’t send them yo “nginx” or “apache”, after all.
Someone throw up a website using this software and give the site a sensible name, and then direct users to that website.
You wanna pay for that hosting? No? Okay then.
Flohcebook Marktplace
Fleabook
Just call it Floh Market or just Floh. Flow Market or Just “Flow” would be good too.
I like just “Floh”, even if it does just mean “flea” in German.
Flohcebook mohktplohce
I can’t understand why every other fediverse name is so stupid as to be off putting to the average user.
- Lemmy is no better or worse than Reddit
- Pixelfeed is significantly better than Instagram
- Mastodon is much worse than Twitter
Seems to me pretty much an even spread of how good the names are
Lemmy is a stupid god awful name.
The first result you get on google is a dead singer. Every other search you will have him on the front page instead of what you’re trying to find. Contrast this to searching for something from reddit.
Case in point guitar reviews lemmy vs guitar reviews reddit
For other Fediverse software:
- Misskey is unmistakable which already makes it a good name
- PeerTube is on par with YouTube and is perfectly transparent as a description of software: “YouTube but with P2P”
- Writefreely is another clear but already proper name, definitely better than Medium or Substack (ony Medium’s advantage - it sounds better in non-English languages)
- Loops and Friendica remind better of their purposes than TikTok/Vine and Facebook
- … on the other hand, every Threadiverse app, no matter if it is /kbin, Mbin, Lemmy or PieFed, fails with it
Oh look, the Queen of Naming has spoken! Everything should just be named “Facebook something” or “Twitter that”.
wow what an interesting sarcastic remark about something the op never said.
Uber.
it’s not that it’s German (or whatever), it’s that it looks and feels like it’s gibberish. it’s incredible how little this is understood.
Uber is an easily read, easily pronounced, widely understood, positive sounding trochee. it’s a perfect brand name.
flohmarkt is 0 for 5.
Even Floh is a bit better 😕 .
SPEAK ENGLISH ÖR DIE
Germans speak or not as ör out. When you us imitate want, then make it pleasly right!
Sabbel ma nich so vonner seit döspaddel
Does it? If you set up an instance for your local community/city/whatever, and name it something that makes sense for your intended userbase, I think it would be fine.
It goes from “I sold my couch on FlohMarkt” to “I sold my couch on Local Ottawa Marketplace” for the ‘normies’ out there. They’re not going to care about the underlying software so long as their couch gets sold.
Do recommend a DIY local advertising strategy if trying to get something like this running, though - posters at IRL flea markets, adverts in small community papers for antiques and collectibles, crossposts/links to postings on stuff like MaxSold/Kijiji/Craigslist/GumTree/FB Marketplace/[insert online marketplace operating in your area] by first adopters, that kind of thing.
Focus on the current primary use case of centralized marketplace services (buying shit from your neighbours), then introduce the “Oh yeah, we’ve also set it up so you can see postings on Local Toronto Marketplace, Local Kingston Marketplace, Marché Local de Montréal” etc. from there.
I really, really think talking to people in terms of specific instances over the overarching platform/protocol is a way around ‘normie’ confusion about the Fediverse when first trying it, then getting exposure to how it works in practice will help them understand the nitty gritty stuff better. Is this problematic in some cases, like with Lemmy? A little bit, yeah. For something like FlohMarkt? I think less so.
(‘normie’ in quotes 'cause I’m not the biggest fan of the term, but it’s a useful shorthand)
This! It’s just the name of the software, not sure why everyone’s getting so worked up about it.
I think it’s a brilliant use case for federation, hope this sees some adoption!
“Facebook” is an equally alienating name if you don’t know English. But I agree, German is difficult!
I tried to use it myself and it really isn’t ready yet. It’s missing so many features that a specialized Lemmy instance seems like a much better alternative.
Maybe share your vision with the devs or actively contribute yourself to the development of this platform? :)
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What I want is an eBay alternative. Like old school eBay, with basic (non obscured) reputation system, auction options, stuff like that.
Ghost town and nothing but scams and business spam at this point. It’s a shame that FB marketplace killed it, because it was relatively simple and useful for what it did
I am super curious how does it stack against DAC7 European Directive 2021/514 from 22 march 2021.
The European law says that such sites must provide a list of users and sales
No matter where the site is operated from, as long as EU citizens can access it from their home countries?
Because I doubt that even fb marketplace can muster that with plausible accuracy. Especially the sales. When you take something down on marketplace it will ask if you sold it or not, but you can just tell it to mind its own business and say “no I totally just changed my mind”
Yes as long as business is accessible in EU it must set up hq in one of the eu countries and report data on sellers to that country government. (Thus phone number registration requirement which to have you must show and record ID and personal information to mobile carrier)
how does that work for flohmarkt I don’t know but I can try to set up an instance and we will see what happens. Will there be any nasty letters or not. I suspect as long as it is small thing no one will be interested but if it grew there probably would be an attempt to take it down and fines
I would really really want it to work so we can just don’t care about ever watchful big brother
The thing is that since all content is federated, each government would have to ask every single instance worldwide for user data. Seems unenforceable.
@Emmie @Temperche
IANAL but: researching this topic was indeed a task during the first year of the project. The German implementation of DAC7 (the PStTG) includes an exception for digital black boards like flohmarkt. The criterion is that there is no formal form of forming a contact on the platform itself. Here’s the official statement (see 1.1) https://www.bzst.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Digitale_Plattformbetreiber/FAQ_PStTG.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3bonus: you’ll will find many more hillariously unpronouncable words in this document.
Does your EU-country has exceptions?
@Emmie @Temperche might need to add that the exception is implicit. we’ve always argued that way before we knew this FAQ. until it came to our attention we just weren’t sure because, well, we’re no lawyers, duh :)
