cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/25445621
How did the transition go? Do you like the new service(s) so far?
I was hard considering it but if I do it then it would cost me way more.
Tuta ($3)+Simplelogin ($4)+Mullvad ($5) = $12
A proton unlimited plan costs $10. Also, when I was on a vpn plus plan, they upgraded me to unlimited so I’m only paying like $6.50 or something.
Plus mulvad doesn’t do port forwarding. Or it didn’t last time I used it.
I used simplelogin before they got bought by proton and with it now being included in my subscription, it’s even cheaper. I could move to addy.io but that would mean I would have to go through all my accounts and change it to the new addy.io addresses. Huge PitA. I could use my own domain but I don’t wanna blacklist my own domain or for it to be so new that it’s blocked from signing up accounts.
That’s how they get ya
I bought a year of unlimited in November but I have canceled and will be migrating when my year is up
What’s the deal with Lavabit these days? Are they good? I don’t keep up with things that well. Am old man.
No, I’ve not switched. While I disagree with his comments, that does not make me switch.
I am fine with using services provided by companies whose employees or leaders I don’t 100% agree with all the time.
I don’t like his comments, but honestly… I haven’t had the energy or time.
When I have one, I lack the other.
Do I want to? Yes, in a sense. I have an enterprise grade server I could self-host a lot of services on, and it sounds like a fun project… but getting that all done? A task. Getting cooling, noise reduction (fucker is LOUD), and such installed? A bigger task that takes more money than I have available right now. All that jazz.
I left and glad I did. It was a needed wake-up call. All-in-one is inherently risky. I’d rather support smaller, more focused products. If one doesn’t fit my needs down the line, it’s way easier to switch.
- Email: Tuta (meh, loading issues)
- Calendar: Tuta (don’t like, can’t handle recurring events)
- VPN: Mullvad (like)
- Drive: Tresorit (like)
- Passwords: already using Bitwarden (love)
Same stack as me except KeePass for PW manager. I’ve actually been enjoying Tuta though. What issues are you having with recurring?
External calendars I’ve imported have a bunch of events on the wrong days. I reported the issue and here’s what they told me:
It seems like some events in your .ics file use advanced repetition rules which are not supported in the Tuta calendar yet. We are currently working on this to improve compatibility and hope to release them soon so the calendar should be imported correctly.
I know it’s a small development team, but it’s a little frustrating. A calendar service supporting only a subset of the ICS standard is silly in my opinion
Ah shoot. I guess that makes sense that it might not match 1:1 if it’s using some advanced recurrence rules. When I exported from Proton and imported to Tuta, I did it as a CSV and needed to modify the columns a bit to get it to import, but my recurring appointments seemed to have come over fine. They are fairly simple though.
My struggle is finding an alternative to nonesense email alias system proton provides. Tuta and everyone else seems ridiculously limited with aliases. Like, I’ll use my own custom domain idgaf, just gimme infinite aliases…
Based on my understanding, Tuta is better for aliases compared to Proton. Their alias limit doesn’t apply to custom domains, only the domains they own (tuta.com, tutamail.com, tuta.io, tutanota.com, tutanota.de, keemail.me)
If you have proton pass you can generate random or semi random aliases. I don’t believe there’s a limit to this. Good to know on the tuta side though.
Oh I see. That makes sense. I think Bitwarden can be hooked up to alias providers but I’ve never tried that myself
I hadn’t thought of that, might have to look into that. That would be great for new accounts. I basically only used proton pass to create aliases and stored it all in bitwarden anyway.
I’ve got Keepass for password manager and Mullvad for VPN, and both have worked out really well for me so far. What I haven’t been able to find is a good alternative to Proton Drive. For aliases I use Firefox Relay.
Tresorit is a bit pricey but very privacy focused and based in Switzerland.
I still use protonmail since it’s hard to move mail instances after giving so many people my address but I’ve reconsidered my plans to switch to their vpn or paid plans.
Set your emails up with your own domain name. Never have this problem again.
This. I left proton and took my 300+ aliases with me. Took less than 30 min to switch from Simple Login to Addy
Which email host did you switch to? Looking for something hosted in Canada, ideally.
I can’t blame you, given the recent news. I chose Tuta (Germany) and am using Addy for aliasing
I pulled the trigger and decided to leave. Not only because of the recent actions from Proton, but when I started looking for alternatives I quickly realized how deeply integrated I was into their eco system and how difficult it was to make the switch. That’s personally not something I like. I guess this goes back to the saying, ‘Don’t put all your eggs in one basket’.
I’m now a happy customer of:
- Mullvad for VPN
- Bitwarden as password manager
- Fastmail for email
- Ente for photos
- Yet to decide on cloud storage for files.
I know fastmail isn’t the perfect privacy option but works very well for me. They own all their own hardware and use encryption at rest. They help develop open standards such as Jmap to replace imap. . This, to me says a lot about the people behind the company and is something I appreciate.
For those looking for a more private email solution then Tuta is a great option too!
Best of luck out there folks 👍
Unless you’re somehow looking for tonnes of storage, I don’t think you need cloud services. I’ve set up just my 3 devices (phone laptop PC) to sync with each other using Syncthing. And that’s plenty of space for just personal stuff (including photos). And it’s so cheap (only the cost of the devices you’re already using, and no subscriptions). It’s something I wish most people did because of how prevalent Drive has become, even though it doesn’t seem like it’s necessary for a lot of use cases. You’re situation might be different though, just a suggestion.
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What does that cost you a month/year?
Makes sense if that’s something you’re worried about. I just meant that it seems to me like people immediately jump to cloud storage without even considering use cases and options. I wish I’d known about this setup that I’m using now a long time ago so I thought it’d be good to put the option out there.
No. I’m tired of making my life inconvenient the moment someone says something stupid.
I don’t even know what he has said.
He said unnecessarily political things in a tweet which don’t match the experiences of many people, at the exact worst moment possible. Then he doubled down on his statement with an official company account, which he later edited after there was backlash. The original comment. He’s promised to post from a personal account in the future. In that same post he stated that “while the X post was not intended to be a political statement, I can understand how it can be interpreted as such, and therefore should not have been made”.
In further discussions he described his political leanings as “probably closest to European center-left parties. But again, that’s a massive generalization/simplification. Where that puts me on the American spectrum, I have no idea”. That’s not really part of the drama, but can be taken to imply that despite working with US legislators in the past and touting this work in his responses, he may not have fully understood the current political climate or party dynamics if he doesn’t know which US party he more closely identifies with. Another interpretation could be that he knows full well and doesn’t want to say either way because making a statement of partisan support is what put him in the hot water in the first place.
I linked original sources so you can do your own reading and come to your own conclusions. Personally I bounce between believing that he stepped in something he didn’t mean to and he genuinely doesn’t support either party, and thinking that he’s too clever a man to not understand, especially since he has directly worked with US legislators on privacy issues and he doubled down in the comments after the general response was critical of his original tweet.
I don’t see what’s controversial here. This just seems like an independent thinker who evaluates issues on a case-by-case basis rather than blindly adopting the views of any one group as a package deal.
The tweet where he said Trump’s pick was great and that people forget that the Republican party is the one that fought against Big Tech, blah blah blah.
Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt for a second and say he isn’t familiar with why that isn’t true since he’s not American.
He is publicly tweeting something supporting Trump.
There’s a broad spectrum of people who are flawed which I’m 100% fine with acknowledging publicly that they did something right. But there is a line where it doesn’t matter anymore.
An extreme example: if I thought of something Hitler did that was good for the German people, should I tweet about it?
No. Because I don’t want to come off as supporting Hitler.
Trump and his administration are causing so much awful shit. The wording of Andy’s message wasn’t “Trump sucks but just FYI there’s one small thing he did right”. His wording was simply all positive, leaving the important context that Trump is a fascist out entirely.
No, I wouldn’t switch unless it compromise my privacy. People are overreacting and politics makes them sensitive.
No. Because changing email providers is a royal pain in the ass. Changed from Google to Ctemplar and from that to proton a year later after ctemplar went down.
I am not going to use smaller email providers because of that experience, and proton still seems to be the best of both worlds.
I absolutely hate that i am supporting a CEO like that with my money but I’m not in the mood to migrate anytime soon. Took me more than a whole weekend last time.It’s worth noting Proton’s email export tool (marketed as backup & restore) is pretty decent. This Python script can sort them by folders & labels too
That’s good to know. My main gripe is that changing the email address for every service is so tiring. I’ve got >200 accounts in my password manager I’d need to change the mail address in, and from previous experience i know that the complicity of this can range from “just go to the settings” over “message the moderators” to “you just can’t”.
It’s shocking how complicated it can be.I hear ya. That’s why everyone says to use your own domain. Then when you change providers it’s just an update to your domain instead of all your accounts
I was looking into proton as an alternative to Google. I am no longer looking at them because of Andy’s comments and doubling down. I feel like I’m giving enough companies with questionable ethics my information and money without giving it to them too. If the company wants to come to a consensus about making a public statement that separates them from his comments I’ll consider those when they happen.
I haven’t left, but now it’s something that’s on the cards, which wasn’t the case beforehand.
I only recently linked my domain to my ProtonMail account, so if I do switch it should be relatively painless given I’ll transfer the domain too, and the original PM address has become more of a lost cause anyway due to spam.
Yes, I canceled my Ultimate account. Andy can believe whatever he wants in private, but publicly stepping outside of non-partisan policy advocacy at this exact moment in time was a red flag, doubly so because he espoused his personal politics through an official business account in his response to the Reddit thread.
Email/calendar went to Tuta, AirVPN for VPN, BitWarden for passwords. Everything is encouragingly smooth so far.
Fair warning: Tuta’s email import is very new and only available on the more expensive tier at the moment (not sure if that’s permanent). I didn’t have any problems, but there were some issues a few weeks ago.
I do think people are over-reacting to Andy’s words and assigning him political views he didn’t express. He didn’t endorse Trump or the Republican party at large, and definitely didn’t “go full MAGA” or express Nazi sympathies. His statements about Democrats I partially agree with and partially disagree. His remarks about the priorities and actions of Republicans, though, were pure tailpipe-huffing fantasy. Being able to say these absurd things in public–under an official business account no less–shows poor judgement and implies he might believe other absurd things he isn’t willing to say publicly.
Another factor in my decision: Proton’s privacy policy specifies they can modify the policy at any time with no notification to users, and deems continued use of the services as agreement to the updated terms. The updated terms they didn’t notify you about.
That being said, no service provider is perfect. I don’t think Proton stores enough data to really be a concern if they turned over everything they have. But this whole thing is based on trust. Even with their clients being open-source software, you’re trusting that they always serve the same browser scripts that they published. You trust that the password you provide at key generation or login isn’t ever passed back to their servers. You trust that they don’t keep unencrypted copies of your emails, files, or VPN activity. You trust that they aren’t going to modify their privacy policy and quietly undo protections you thought you had.
The way Andy responded was enough to question my trust in the company with him at the helm. I didn’t leave as a heavy rebuke, just as a “do better”. There are plenty of other companies which provide equivalent services. That’s the risk companies take when a major part of their market is ideological people: if you chafe their ideology they’re more likely to put the effort into leaving.
