I thought Kendrick was very good, and I don’t listen to him or very much of that style music. He is amazingly talented and I thought a top tier showman. In the article, Jack Posobic said that he wished it was Creed (like In the 2001 half time) instead. Since this was the Apple Music streaming halftime show, I looked it up. #1 Streamer of last year was Kendrick, I didn’t see Creed in the top 50. Also Billboard has Kendrick at #4 all year for Streaming, also no Creed. I know Creed had a big resurgence last year touring, but I was around listing to music in 2001 and we all voted that Creed sucks. I didn’t like those people who liked Creed then, and even more so now.
but I was around listing to music in 2001 and we all voted that Creed sucks
Can confirm, was also listening to music in 2001, and Creed sucks
Given current events though, I wonder if Disturbed and System of a Down will be moved to make something new.
I was in my late 20s back then. Anyone who told me they were into Creed during that time always ended up being the guy the women around would all have a story about regarding abusive behavior.
John Dolmayan from SOAD is actually a huge Trump supporter for some reason.
SYSTEM OF A DOWN drummer John Dolmayan, who has publicly voiced his support for former U.S. president Donald Trump on a number of occasions, claims that he has lost “friends” and “hundreds of thousands of fans” due to his opinions.
I guess there’s always one in a crowd but damn. That’s like having a right nutter in RATM
LOL, Creed?
Probably because of the xtian thing, but…still.
I remember when creed came out, it gave rise to a shitload of bands with lead singers that would go out of their way to sound like Scott Stapp. If you hated creed, this became very obvious and annoying
Yearah eehhvreahy bodeyh sauunded likeha thais rollen theah Ehhh’s…
I’ve always noticed growing up that there seems to always be one band that music fans seem to randomly focus their hate on disproportionately, often for little reason beyond “because fuck you that’s why”.
When I first entered middle school, it was Quiet Riot. Then Winger. Creed. Nickelback. I’m sure I’m missing some in the middle, but you get the idea. There was always one band that everybody just focused their hate on, and god help you if you were actually a fan of the band because you were bullied relentlessly and labelled a “poser”. And the thing is…most of the time, these bands weren’t that bad. They were mostly cookie-cutter, middle of the road bands who brought nothing really new to the table, but they weren’t terrible either. But they got a disproportionate amount of hate for merely existing.
They were mostly cookie-cutter, middle of the road bands who brought nothing really new to the table
Sounds like you know exactly why they catch so much hate.
Right. But why did those bands get the hate when there were dozens of other bands around doing the exact same thing? That’s the point. The amount of hate those bands received was disproportionate compared to others doing the same thing, for no other reason beyond “because fuck this band in particular.”
Creed gets the hate for being an overtly Christian band.
Some of their songs are alright, but the 100% Jesus 100% of the time is fucking exhausting.
Nickelback gets the hate because they constantly recycled songs. The same background music to different lyrics. All so that they could get more radio play or some shit.
Which is what really drove the hate. These bands got a disproportionate amount of radio play.
Creed gets hate becayse the music is cookie cutter and it’s that bullshit form of performative Christianity that has no actual faith behind it.
The same background music to different lyrics
Metal did that for years and hardly ever got dinged. Change some chords around and give it a new edgy chorus and different drum solo. We didn’t GAF. Ohh did you hear that new double bass line? WOAH.
This particular take (repetitive nickelback) originated from Karl Puschmann in 2017. He was comparing ALL of their 89 songs. You’d find the same for most bands that make it. Nobody is making 100 unique songs if they’re writing their own stuff.
G&R and BonJovi were full of repetition. G&R released multiple versions of the same song on two albums and pulled it off (don’t cry UUI 1&2). BJ Blaze of glory was huge, but most of the album was the same slide guitar, same chords, same theme.
For nickelback, there’s some obvious stuff in there like Someday / How you remind me. But even if you only take the top stuff outside of those two, there’s plenty of variety in beats, styles, tone. Photograph, Rockstar, San Quentin, and Faraway are quite unique compared with each other.
But like OP mentioned, He re-uses that gravely rolling of vowels in every style. But if you then go back and look at old Aerosmith or Metallica (before black). They consistently voiced things the same album to album.
IMO, it sounds a lot like Kroeger is whining when he’s singing and a lot of people don’t have much of a stomach for that. He sounds fine, the songs are catchy, the lyrics aren’t miserable, but it just grates on you. I think it’s a lot of subconscious effect because there are TONS of articles asking why people hate nickelback, but there are too many different consensuses for all the hate AND to have all the sales for it to be as easy as formulaic songs against the b-roll on their album.
Repetitive Nickelback wasn’t “discovered” in 2017.
There were radio stations back in 2004 who would do the trick where you play two Nickelback songs, sync the music, and cross fade back and forth.
You could do that trick with more than one pair, but to my knowledge couldn’t do three songs at once…
Smashmouth and Imagine Dragons would fit too. It seems every few years there’s a band everyone decides they like and then a few years later everyone suddenly hates them.
I just remember the drunk suburban girl who would load up the jukebox with Creed and Nickelback at the bar. Nothing kills a good Friday night at the bar faster than that.
My pool hall had the ability to pay a buck to move someone’s song behind yours…
It was a godsend
Snowflakes
Good to see.
“Melts down”, like when a nuclear reactor goes critical, isn’t the apt descriptor for this response.
It was more like, “Maga generally disliked or was otherwise uninterested in the super bowl halftime performance”.
Right-wing commentators Eric Daugherty and Benny Johnson took their criticism to the extreme, describing the performance as “Black nationalist" and calling Lamar a “mumbling pagan Satanic cultist”.
This would only make me want to see it if I hadn’t already lol
And Kendrick Lamar is famously Christian and makes references to God frequently in his lyrics. Although, I doubt they consider the black church “Christian” since prosperity gospel megachurch bullshit strays so far from Christ that they probably can’t recognize an actual Christian any better than they can recognize a fire beat.
Prosperity gospel is by no means a white only thing. Unless he’s gone into detail about the church he attends you can’t know what version of Christianity he is part of.
Can you even be both pagan and Satanic?
“He’s a mumbling pagan, Satanic, Jewish, Mexican, Socialist, Antifa, Chinese…” Beyond all the social abuses, I hate MAGA and right-wing pundits because they’ve robbed words of meaning, on a scale that forces adjustment unlike anything else.
Can you even be both pagan and Satanic?
Only in the eyes of people incapable of rational thought.
They are fundamentally completely different religions, and paganism is much much older.
Paganism is not a religion. It’s literally “not an Abrahamic faith ” in most uses. There’s no one form of Paganism.
I am a Christian… a Christian agnostic, but still.
My comment was kind of bigoted, sorry. i wrote it without really thinking. i’ve removed the offending part
I appreciate the revision. Thank you
Having grown up strictly Catholic I can tell you it’s because they view the world extremely binary black and white. Either you’re a Christian, or you’re “led astray by Satan’s lies”, so literally everything else is Satanism.
To a Catholic even a Protestant could be considered a Satanist.
To be fair a lot of protestants don’t believe Roman Catholics are Christian either because if the overt idolatry and the whole fact that the state that supposedly killed Jesus also formed the Roman Catholic Church.
He can be if you don’t know what a dictionary is and you get revenue by being divisive. The more charged the language, the higher the revenue gets.
Somewhere along the way, complaining about something you don’t like, while that thing is occurring, became a meltdown. Personally, if you aren’t screaming, jumping up and down, flailing your arms like a maniac, or in the least doing that thing where you force blood into your head and your face gets all blood flushed and if you keep doing it you pass out and crumble like a building made of peanut brittle, unless you did atleast one of those then you aren’t melting down… But based off constant headlines, Complaining about something is a meltdown, then I have constant melt downs, and I really don’t know what it is when I’ve had what I called a meltdown, but apparently is now much worse than what is defined as a meltdown. I have a meltdown when I hit every red light(I complain annoyingly about it), I have a meltdown when I buy diet instead of sugar soda, but I honestly don’t know what it’s called now when my face gets flushed, I start flailingy arms in the air, hollering up and down for whichever deity will bring down holy fire upon the video game that I just died for the 100th time for the same boss… Is that now a psychotic episode? Cuz I always thought psychotic episodes you were psychotic, and melt down you lost your composure, but complaining is a meltdown, so is losing your composure now going psychotic which used to be having a meltdown?
Stfu gang
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The X, O, square, triangle set was probably a reference to squid games, a show with a strong anti-oligarchy motif. The show had repeated American imagery like Samuel L Jackson and the flag. If you interpret thr lyrics at those points, the show was definitively anti-establishment. If you interpreted it any other way, I suggest you watch it again.
One theme was that Kendrick’s life is like a video game so I’m pretty sure it was just the PlayStation buttons.
In a way, there were two themes: Kendrick rapping about his life while the choreography and Samuel Jackson as Uncle Sam making a statement that “The flag and America don’t belong to fascists.” (I guess a third theme was “Fuck Drake” but he couldn’t just not play the biggest song of the year that just won 5 Grammy Awards and has over a billion plays on Spotify.)
I’m probably reading too much into it — if that’s even possible with Kendrick — but a lot of what he criticizes Drake about applies equally to Trump. “Certified loverboy? Certified pedophile.” “I hear you like 'em young / You better never go to cell block one.” Kendrick obviously didn’t know Trump would be there when they planned the show but even if it was unintentional, I like that Trump and his ilk got to find out one of the most popular artists in America won a rap battle by mocking an adult for fucking teenagers.
One theme was that Kendrick’s life is like a video game so I’m pretty sure it was just the PlayStation buttons
I’m not a fan of Kendrick’s music and I barely ever watch TV, so I’m not up to date with things like Squid Game and the like. I knew it had to be something, but I do remember watching the show, seeing the symbols, and at least briefly thinking “Did Sony pay for this halftime show?”.
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I really doubt they understand that kind of symbolism or depth.
Which is the only way it would be approved. The NFL loves to help the establishment when anyone tries to use their platform for the betterment of people.
The opening was propaganda and the ads were propaganda. What do they have to complain about?
Yeah, I couldn’t hear what they were singing though.
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At the best of times, this place reeks of “sportsball” stupidity which covers the football aspect.
And I would be shocked if we had even 5% black representation which nukes the interest in tuning in for Kendrick alone.
Way to show your racism on your sleeve
i flipped the game on for a bit. one play, two commercials. i was done.
I searched “Superbowl 2025” and just refreshed that result every so often. Zero commercials, and the score and quarter time was up to date.
i went back later and basically did that once, saw the score partway through the 3rd. i had no doubt that the falcons collapse eight years ago would not be topped.
Sports is boring. The games are vaguely entertaining if you’re actually playing them, but watching? Washing dishes is more engaging.
Hell, CSPAN is a better watch.
Im glad you have your opinion but I respectfully disagree. Sports can be a good time to watch for certain people, but dont rag on it just because its not your cup of tea.
I wonder what the Venn diagram of people that think watching sports is boring compared to the people that think watching video games streams is boring is like?
I’m in the minority where I’d rather watch friends flounder at a game than a professional gamer’s stream
Because it’s American capitalism 💸💰and jingoism 🛫🇺🇸💣 at it’s finest.
thank you for the little pictures, now i understand :)
Lemmy users only like round footballs, because it allows them to sneer at Americans for having a differences in their dialect.
If they take off the armor and play, then that’s worth watching.
As an Eagles fan, I fucking loved that shit. But I can understand why Chiefs fans would have not enjoyed it, and everyone else would have been bored.
Kendrick fucking killed it, though. That was a great halftime show.
I always preferred CFL rules tbh
me too. it is a much more entertaining game.
Congo has football!?
Well considering a lot of the discussion on here is around tech and specifically Linux that doesn’t surprise me. Very online tech people usually aren’t that interested in sports.
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
The only Ludacris I saw was the commercial he did during the half time
What was Wenger thinking sending Walcott on that early?
The thing about Arsenal is they always try to walk it in.
John Cleese said it best, the only imaginative part of american football are the ad breaks.
Watch rugby.
Fun fact:
unpopular is not antonym to popular.Unpopular implies active dislike or hate. Antonym to popular is “not popular”, which also includes stuff that is not actively hated, but simply ignored.ok, i confused my message by unneccesarilly and incorrectly bringing too narrow meaning of the word antonym into it.
so: unpopular is not the same as largely ignored. just because there is not that many fans of sport on lemmy, being created largely of tech-people, doesn’t mean it is unpopular, as unpopular implies active dislike, which is not the case here.
to save some googling for anyone interested:
so we have so called polar antonyms, such as cold / hot or strong / weak, which do not cover whole spectrum of choices (there is some middle ground between hot and cold).
then we have complementary antonyms, which create two disjunct sets covering whole spectrum. these are basically logical negation.
they are often created by using a prefix from the other word. american / non-american, mortal / immortal, but also entrance / exit.
the terminology also differs between languages, it definitely does between my native language and english.
Your description makes unpopular the antonym to popular.
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Yeah, nah buddy
i edited my message for better clarity
Why would the pedophile Matt Gaetz be offended by a song dissing pedophiles?
But also fuck this type of partisan rage bait article. This type of writing is what divides us, even if it’s saying things you wanna hear.
But also fuck this type of partisan rage bait article. This type of writing is what divides us, even if it’s saying things you wanna hear.
Hear, hear.
This kind of ‘information’ is like doing drugs, it feels good but it destroys your ability to function as a normal human being. Getting addicted to outrage and ‘owning the <other side>’ is playing into the divisive politics that allows the powers that be to divide us. Nobody is going to want to work with you if you’re calling them a MAGAT and you’re not going to want to work with anyone who’s attacking you.
Your enemy isn’t the other middle class and poor people who’ve been convinced to wear a different color hat than you. If you can’t see that and adjust your behavior appropriately then you still have a lot to learn and I hope we have enough time for you to catch up.
don’t forget about Trump…and Musk.
The Daily Beast is to the left, what Fox News is to the right.
This is why i only read from centrist news sources
Or… there’s always independent sources. For instance:
• Reuters
If you find that the source of yours news is in constant agreement with your opinions, and you are in constant agreement with the news they provide, I hate to break it to you, but both you- and your news source are biased, and biased news doesn’t automatically default to being true just because you want it to.
It’s not about left, centrist, or right sources. And thinking it is- is exactly why we are having the problem we currently have. It’s about finding an HONEST one.
Find a source of notes that isn’t afraid to tell you shit you won’t always agree with.
The catch is finding a goid conservative English language source is very difficult. A Financial Times sub runs $300usd a year almost for the more news and opinion focused online version (lacks the in depth business stuff that runs 7-800/yr.
Yeah, anytime I find myself nodding along I try to head over to Allsides and expand my view. I’m sure someone here has something to say about Allsides, I admittedly didn’t dig too deeply into the site itself, but it is essentially an aggregator that tells you whether a site is right left or center.
404media is pretty reputable (so far) as well. There are some good podcasts that try to stay as unbiased and factual as possible too. I think the biggest thing is to try to get a nice variety of reliable, neutral sources. If you see a big story go ahead and see what some others are saying. I agree with the above commenter about your news sources “agreeing” with you. Your news source should be informing you of events, not telling you what to think about those same events. Unfortunately Cheeto was right about one thing, you can’t trust the MSM. They’ve completely abdicated their role as the fourth estate in civil society.
Im 50 and white. A lot of the people I know who hated the halftime show aren’t hip-hop fans and/or have trouble interpreting dance performances. The racist people I know just didn’t watch it at all.
I definitely didnt like it.
And that’s fair. I did
I didnt
So sick of these clickbait headlines. From the headline to the body “Melts down” -> “wasn’t too impressed”. BORING. Journalists need to do some actual work like they used to instead of just farming rage bait.
Well of course.
- The host and musical guests were black.
- Kendrick calls out pedophiles.
They can’t have either of those obviously.
I’m just mad he didn’t say the word “pedophile”
can’t say that on tv!!!
I assumed it was because of the lawsuit that is already pending. I don’t think “pedophile” is a censored word
Depends on who owns the network
That’s our word.
It was most likely pre litigated and conceded that he wouldn’t say it
Honestly, I thought the nod early in the performance was all we were gonna get. I didn’t think he was going to do ANY of that specific song. The fact the only thing censored was the word pedophile just makes more people that don’t know what’s up want to look it up.
It definitely wasn’t the only censored word. Kendrick skipped more than a few words overall. But it was far and away the most obvious one
To he fair, though, I don’t think the message was lost.
This is an absurdly popular song; he didn’t say it, but I did hear it. And he did say “I hear you like 'em young” and “a minooor~~”, which aren’t really subtle.Honestly, I thought he skipped it because Standards and Practices might have considered it too uncouth for all-ages television.
I like Kendrick Lamar and still found it kind of boring.
Huh. I like Kendrick Lamar and found it awesome.
I just like big visual stuff at halftime. Katy Perry’s huge tiger was a memorable one, as was U2 after 9/11.
You’re not alone, many feedback I heard is that it wasn’t “big” enough - but also, that’s sort of Lamar’s style. This is the guy that preformed at SNL on an empty stage with only a microphone and white lights.
Fair enough.
I do think the visuals here were great. We had crips and bloods colours both sharing the stage. That’s a bold statement.
I’ll go watch the two you mentioned as I’ve not seen them. Although I’m not a fan of either of those people, musically.
You didn’t like the image of the American flag walking down stairs while he sang sit down, be humble? Most of the rest of the world found it pretty apt.
I think many didn’t understand the meanings he was looking to convey.
Even one as simple as Samuel L Jackson representing the white gaze and reprising his role as house n***** from Django Unchained.
The guy is a Pulitzer prize winner. This wasn’t going to be all glam.
