This is the very essence of the difference that should exist between a President and a King. From Federalist 69:
The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. The person of the king of Great Britain is sacred and inviolable; there is no constitutional tribunal to which he is amenable; no punishment to which he can be subjected without involving the crisis of a national revolution. In this delicate and important circumstance of personal responsibility, the President of Confederated America would stand upon no better ground than a governor of New York, and upon worse ground than the governors of Maryland and Delaware.
The failure of the Republican party to support this kind of check on Presidential power is why we’re having this crisis now.
We have years of people saying he can’t do X or he can’t do Y and not enough time spent on what happens when he doesn’t comply.
War. The only question is whether the Blue States get ready for what is coming.
These are unamerican people.
And people voted for this!! I feel like I’m in some fucking fever dream.
I add the following as evidence of premeditation / conspiracy:
“I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he [Vance] said. “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”
This is a description, essentially, of a coup.
“We are in a late republican period,” Vance said later, evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar. “If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there, and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”
“Indeed,” Murphy said. “Among some of my circle, the phrase ‘extra-constitutional’ has come up quite a bit.”
Historical note: as far as I understand, president Jackson ignored the Supreme Court in a case of Georgia taking Cherokee lands. Since the state also ignored, the court failed to enforce its ruling.
The gears grind slower each rotation, yet we’re still surprised when the machine jams. Constitutional guardrails only work if the drivers pretend they exist—a quaint fiction evaporating under the heat of performative strongman politics. We’ve seen this before: executive overreach dressed as “emergency,” norms crumbling like stale bread.
What’s novel is the brazenness. Courts are now just another PR obstacle, their rulings reduced to content for the outrage algorithm. Linz warned of dueling mandates, not this farce where one branch swallows the rest whole. The Founders’ checks? Dry rot under the floorboards, termites long since victorious.
Democracy cosplay can’t hide the scaffolding. When the executive branch treats the judiciary as a nuisance, the only remaining question is how many will still clap as the curtain falls.
This isn’t the failure of the Republican party. This is their victory dance.
Seriously, this has been the Republican wet dream for decades.
“Might”
Yeah there is no might anymore…
I’m pretty sure The Judge gets to be the judge of that, not the Executive.
Ah but the executive gets to be the judge of who gets to be a judge and it is judged by those judges it judged to be judges that it will be judged positively.
I think I see where you are judging this.
it’s all smoke and mirrors for “i have a gun. do what i say”. the question inevitably is who has the gun?
So, those 2A people being real fuckin quiet now that an actual tyrant is in play.
they want a hierarchy and the freedom to enforce it. nothing else.
That’s because their team is the tyrant.
As a leftist who owns firearms, I’m waiting for everything to kick off (in Minecraft obviously)
Be the change you want to see. In Minecraft.
Random acts mean nothing but support for the other Minecraft team as the idiot centrists decry the violence.
America’s problem is that its resistance is made of a fractured left. Things will have to get bad to get a rebellion going, and quite frankly I think the blue states would seceed first.
The objection was always that somebody dark-skinned might be President, or that assets might be expropriated from billionaires, not that tyranny might be an issue.
What are they supposed to say? If they say anything they’re gonna have the SS knocking on their door.
Might need more Secret Service agents if all gun owners spoke out against tyranny. Like, millions of agents 😅
Isn’t SS generally for SchutzStaffel?
What’s Alex Jones mouthing off about now? This was his thing decades ago.
Haven’t seen or heard anything from Trump supporters in my area since day 3 of the presidency. Wonder why… It couldn’t be that they have no faces left cause of the leopards… Could it? 🤔
They are two buysy fantasizing that a black guy is on their porch.
The time to rise would have been when Alabama banned abortion. Even before the kids in cages shit.
Time to use those guns you’ve been hoarding. Wasn’t that the reason you’re even allowed to have them?
The Democrats disarmed themselves.
Source?
40 years of villifying gun ownership.
I’m a Democrat with dozens of guns, but most Dems I know have been indoctrinated into thinking gun ownership is support of child murder.
gun ownership is support of child murder.
It is, and you’re a limp dick loser for owning them. Its a hobby that routinely leads to school shootings and mass murders, and defending it means you’re either a selfish moron, or a truly evil person.
…But the democratic party hasn’t disarmed anyone. No serious effort to do so ever goes anywhere, and any attempts to regulate guns usually fail or are ineffective. Even when they had a majority, they didn’t ban guns. To think this is something they were ever seriously interested in is silly, and probably a sign you’ve been spending too much time on internet gun communities (which are pretty much all far right conspiracy shit holes)
Nah. That was to support the Russian takeover.
That’s what they claimes. Now they need a new claim
If a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal,” Vice President J. D. Vance posted on X yesterday morning. “If a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that’s also illegal. Judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power.”
Dude is just underlining scopes. Nothing burger here
Now, Vance was not quite making an unconditional vow to ignore a court order.
He was making no vows. Stating the scope of practice is not illegal in any way
Rather, he was stepping right up to the line.
By explaining who has what scope? Wow stretch much?
Obviously, judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power,
Yes that’s literally the guys point.
but determining whether orders are legitimate is the very question the courts must decide.
Which was never in discussion?
People if you want to freak out about everything be my guest, but if this is what is going to make you flip the fuck out, geez.
The perma stun is real. And it proceeds at pace
Da fuck? Judges have the power to check the executive. Ever read Marbury v madison?
This dumbass right wing analysis is why we are falling down the pit of fascism right now.
If trump defies a court order, that’s a constitutional crises and it is every americans duty to take up arms to stop tyranny.
“I think the tweet, taken on its own terms, is empty because it refers to the ‘legitimate powers’ of the executive. And the whole question in these cases is whether the executive is acting legitimately or not,” Greene told NBC News.
“He has some cover in that sense,” Greene added, referring to Vance. “He hasn’t promised unlawful behavior.”
Rick Pildes, a professor at New York University’s Law School, also highlighted Vance’s use of the words “legitimate powers” in his post but pointed out that the judiciary is the branch with the power to decide what a president can “legitimately” do or not do.
“Under the rule of law and the Constitution, it is the courts that determine whether some use of the executive power is lawful or not. That is the critical point,” Pildes said via email.
“The concern is that the vice president’s statement could be taken to suggest that the Executive Branch is prepared to refuse to comply with a court order based on the president’s own view that he has a power that the courts have concluded he does not,” he added. “A president who orders his officials not to comply with court orders would be creating a constitutional crisis.”
Also note,
It’s not the first time Vance has floated defying court orders.
Greene pointed out that others in Trump’s orbit, including Musk, have floated ignoring court orders.
On Saturday, Musk reposted a post on X from a user who wrote, “I don’t like the precedent it sets when you defy a judicial ruling, but I’m just wondering what other options are these judges leaving us.”
I think it’s a series of microaggressions; on their own, each comment is seemingly innocent, and every response appears to be an overreaction. But their comments put together paint a larger picture. I think this is part of the strategy - “Look at these emotional people, panicking at nothing!” as they slowly overwhelm and erode their checks and balances.
It’s important not to become emotionally overwhelmed, and not to jump to conclusions. I definitely see the tendency to doom-scroll and panic in people right now - I do it myself sometimes as much as I try not to. But I’m thankful for the journalists and scholars that raise alarms, because if people don’t know what’s happening, how will anyone be held accountable?
It is written into their plan, not a surprise at all “ignore the courts”.
Is it time to petition the military to intervene?
Not yet. Trump saying something horrifying while it not being entirely clear he understands what he’s actually saying or how anything in government is supposed to work is what we call Monday around here.
You don’t want the military intervening they might decide to run things in a manner efficient for the end user instead of the rich people!
Historically, this is not usually the result of the military taking over a country. Usually the general who did the coup becomes the new rich person, thanks to all the political power.
Well yeah, I’m just making bad jokes over here.
Unless they are a person of integrity. Say for instance George Washington, Nicola wanted him to rule, he said nah bro!
We just need the general who removes tyrant trump to be a man who believes in his oath to defend our nations constitution written by we the people, passed down for generations and defended by the blood of those who came before his tenure. I don’t doubt there is such honor still among those who serve. After all it is their oath to defend our construction from enemy’s both foreign and domestic. Our dictator and chief fits both.
Let me tell you the story of the best officers I ever followed into combat. These guys were super sharp, and they were literally rewriting the book while we were fighting. The first guy took money meant for reconstruction and gave it to his Iraqi mistress. The second guy left classified intelligence reports out while dating a journalist.
These guys are human. Expecting super human restraint because of their oath is unrealistic.
I get it, but all it takes is one general with integrity, im sure thats the same odds as finding one in general population. Is it a long shot, maybe. You can still get people to do the right thing for the wrong reasons. A national hero they would become after the dust settled. Not just a footnote in some dictators playbook. Ambition can be a powerful motivator. Even if they decided to take the rains, i doubt they would be doing a worse job than our current admin. Could be wrong though. Our democracy died 30 years ago and has been a charade puppet show for the rich for far too long. What do we have to loose. I think we all know that our elections are over already.
Odds that even one of Trump’s generals would be worse for the country? Most people who make it to that upper eschelon in the military have some sense of duty, honor, a moral compass, and intelligence. There certainly is SOME ‘failing upward’ in the military, but a LOT less than business and politics.
i want to do than cross my fingers for this. i wonder what the proper channels really are.
There’s no proper channels for this. Either the military leadership is motivated or they’re not.
how do we motivate them?
My thought: Point out to them that there is no “permanent winner” here in terms of ending violence unless they stop Trump.
The people believing in his agenda are often aimless, and very often extremely violent. See the January 6 rioters, who continued to be aggressive after being pardoned, as well as fringe groups going on the attack now that they think Trump will pardon them. Emboldening them any further may mean years and years of continuing to deal with such violent offenders, AND without the support of experienced FBI staff able to track threats on a national level.
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
It’s the domestic part we have to concern ourselves with, and thankfully the Joint Chiefs seem to still think he’s an idiotic shitbag
It’s the domestic part we have to concern ourselves with, and thankfully the Joint Chiefs seem to still think he’s an idiotic shitbag
As a veteran, I remain 100% convinced that the Pentagon has and has always had a plan for “a dictator becomes president.” However, also as a veteran I’m sure there is a very specific checklist of things that must be true for that plan to be activated.
As a low ranking veteran I don’t have any better guess than anyone else what things are on that checklist, but I feel sure it exists, and that if we aren’t seeing them mobilize it’s only because it’s an extreme event and the conditions required to execute on that plan are many.
They might think he’s a shitbag, but I bet they’re not unhappy with him. Unless he threatens to cut their spending?
i think there are still people in power that actually believe in the merits this country was founded on and would stand up to pieces of shit like trump. it’s the only thing i left i have to believe in.
i certainly have no reason to believe that the limp-wristed leftists of social media would ever stand up to anyone about anything.
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When I was little, long before I had a reason to want it to be true, I had this theory that the Secret Service, which is obviously not a secret, was called that because they had a secret mandate: If the President ever gets really out of pocket and goes for dictator powers, it’s their job to execute him as a traitor.
Anyway, I doubt it’s true, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately.
The Praetorian Guard killed some emperors, but that isn’t an official duty of the Secret Service. Of course, it wasn’t an official duty of the Praetorian Guard either.
I feel like the more likely scenario is if someone really wanted to do it, they wouldn’t, but they’d let it happen by inaction if someone else did it.
Oh shit, I didn’t see that shooter.
You just made me hope for a second, you beautiful bastard
“Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal”
– Richard Nixon, 1977.
You’ve had 47 years to do something about this, to be able to hold your leaders accountable, and apparently it wasn’t worth the effort.
I guess the upside is you won’t have to worry about all that wasteful election spending any more. 👍
You don’t understand (or maybe you do but aren’t saying it). The Nixon scandal is what started the modern shitshow as we know it. Nixon’s supporters would be royally pissed that there was no specific media apparatus to fully support Nixon and his shit. They would go on to fight to repeal the fairness doctrine and to start Fox News and the modern propaganda media as we know it.
BTW, a few years ago (during Trump’s first administration or a bit after) they even SAID ‘when the president does it , it isn’t not illegal’ or some slight word difference as a way of signalling their ultimate victory in trying to do what they wanted to have happened during Nixon’s scandals.
Oh, they’ll still allow that spending to show how many votes he gets next time. Like the other dictators do.
Putin’s Sock Puppet is following orders from Moscow to bust up the USA and turn it into another fucking Russia.
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