Why is main capitalized but not printf???
If they are trying to follow German rules where nouns are capitalized, I guess this explains why their version of int would be capitalized, but that’s super annoying. Maybe C# is based on this.
And then why is Ganz in caps. I call cap on German C.
Short for Ganzzahl, like int for integer.
Could be because Ganz is short for Ganzzahl and a noun.
Makes sense but ugh
So Nat Fibonacci(Nat n) { …} ? Because Ganz would be signed int so Nat should be unsigned int?
I’d suggest “vorzeichnenbehaftete Ganzzahl” (maybe vbGanz) and “vorzeichenlose Ganzzahl” (vlGanz) 🤣 please don’t make that a thing
Wofür steht ‘wd’??? Wochendag oder wie??? GEFEUERT werden muss die Person!
Abor dor Klaus aus Leipzsch saacht das doch so…
Ei fa “Wochedaach” nadierlich. Wie ne de Schnawwel gewachst is.
I want a programming language that supports German composite words.
My brother in Turing, that’s just camel case.
But you could go further. I want to be able to define an Auto and a Bahn, then immediately be able to go
new AutoBahn()
https://github.com/michidk/rost
Aren’t you müde from writing Rust programs in English? Do you like saying “scheiße” a lot? Would you like to try something different, in an exotic and funny-sounding language? Would you want to bring some German touch to your programs?
rost (German for Rust) is here to save your day, as it allows you to write Rust programs in German, using German keywords, German function names, German idioms.
PETA isn’t going to like all those
fürloopsFür is short for fuer. The umlauts are tiny “e” on top of the letters
That’s how umlauts historically evolved, but nowadays I wouldn‘t say ü short for ue, but its own letter (even though you still can write it as ue if you don’t have it available on your keyboard or whatever)
Well, my point is that it’s not considered a u, and Austrian and Swiss don’t use it.
Also, fun fact, some romance languages like French and Brazilian Portuguese have an identical diacritic to umlaut but it’s different. It’s meant to mean the vowel is separate (like in the word naïve)
Well, my point is that it’s not considered a u, and Austrian and Swiss don’t use it.
It’s true that u and ü are very different things in German orthography, but it must be some bizarre misunderstanding that ü wouldn’t be used in Austria or Switzerland, the largest city in Switzerland is even named Zürich in German (Züri in Swiss German).
in Brazillian portuguese it had a completely different meaning, and it was used for disambiguation of the pronounciation of some words, in short “gue” in portuguese can make a ghe (gh as in ghost) or a gue (gu as in guatemala), a similiar thing happens with “que”, this umlaug looklike was meant to make clear that the “u” was to be pronounced, so we had spellings like “freqüencia”
That’s exactly the other meaning I described. In Portuguese it was/is used to separate the vowels so they are not pronounced together.
We call it tréma. Aka diaeresis. It explicitly tells you to pronounce two vowels near each other separately.
A typical use is to indicate a normally silent vowel must be read out. For example “maïs” (MA-EE-S’) is completely different from “mais” (MAY).
TIL thanks !
Too bad that’s based on macros. A full preprocessor could require that all keywords and names in each scope form a prefix code, and then allow us to freely concatenate them.
I like the branch names auch
Bruh why does it feel more natural in German.
Yeah, Excel does that, it always fascinated me. It was so weird writing =KDYŽ instead of =IF in Excel. Different times, I guess.
Does that get translated if someone else with a different language opens that file?
The best part is that if your version of Excel is German, you can’t write
=IF(). You have to use=FALLS().It’s always fun to google a function and then the translation.
I’m pretty sure it’s not
FALLS()butWENN(), at least the last time I used Excel.Could be. I try to avoid Excel. And I believe “wenn” is a wrong translation, whether the function has that name or not.
No idea, but I would hope so.
Yes, but it would be funny if you could just switch languages in the middle of your sheet, чтобы можно было начать на русском, continue in English,وانتهى باللغة العربية.
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I hope that the built in translation in iOS can translate to Arabic well
Don’t worry, the arabic translation is correct
It’s formal Arabic, as is expected of any translator
Internally Excel saves it in English (or some internal code) and translates it when opened.
My company switched from Excel-Interops, where you had to send the German function name to Excel. Now we write .xlsx files directly and have to send the English function name. But when opened it displays all functions in German (or whatever localization Excel is set to).
I want a programming language that supports German style composite words
Java
In college, we had to use Hungarian pseudocode. I still have PTSD from it, especially as the teacher was a psycho that had a meltdown every time her “how do you do fellow kids” moment terribly backfired, most infamously by putting Twilight references into a test (everybody audibly cringed reading the tests).
Support your teachers trying to be fun, at least it shows they care enough to put in more effort.
Also I’m curious how she managed to slide in Twilight references of all things in a programming class lolYeah its kinda based lol
silently goes to German GitHub to learn German words
A key reason English became the preeminent language of scientific and technical communication, and thus the source of keywords in programming languages, is because German (the other candidate) fell out of favour due to the two world wars. So, were it not for Prussian militarism, our programming languages may have instead been based on German (along with most scientific literature being in German).
Also because, as a person who has studied multiple languages, German is hard and English is Easy with capital E.
No genders for nouns (German has three), no declinations, no conjugations other than “add an s for third person singular”, somewhat permissive grammar…
It has its quirks, and pronunciation is the biggest one, but nowhere near German (or Russian!) declinations, Japanese kanjis, etc.
Out of the wannabe-esperanto languages, English is in my opinion the easiest one, so I’m thankful it’s become the technical Lingua Franca.
Had the world settled on German, someone might be making a similar argument that the world dodged a bullet by choosing a language with phonetic orthography and words composed of logical building blocks rather than a mess like English
Making fun of people has more “stank” in English (not a hard fact, just my opinion).
* Yiddish has entered the conversation
Is Yiddish basically Hebrew + Street/Slang German? I guess I could look it up, but I thought I’d just ask.
Also English is an odd germanic-romance bastard child that Western Europeans tend to like because it has a decent number of cognates for everyone and a simple grammar IF you’re only aiming for simple conversational English. The barrier to entry is quite low, especially if you don’t give a shit about having a thick accent and straight up mispronouncing tricky words (as anyone knows who had a conversation in English with a non-fluent Italian/Spanish/French person).
OTOH German used to be relatively widely spoken in Eastern Europe, and Slavic languages also use declensions AFAIK, and also even post WWII German held quite a bit of momentum in academic circles.
So if the Soviet block had gone the Chinese route and become an economic behemoth instead of withering and dying at the dawn of the Information Age, German being the lingua franca (or at least giving English a run for its money) would have been a distinct possibility IMO.
integer
Was soll der Quatsch denn heißen? Wer ist hier integer? Bei uns heißt das Ganzzahl, verdammt!!1!
*wütende Programmierergeräusche*
So wie Menschen, können auch Zahlen integer sein.
Na gut, von mir aus :P
French fucking Excel formulas is an abomination and needs to die.
I’m am immigrant in Brazil and have to deal with Portuguese excel almost everyday. At least I know my Python and only use excel to do simple things.
Edit: all my scripts end with pd.to_excel() tho
Python-Python or Portugol?
Microsoft should be charged with war crimes for deciding to localize both Formulas AND keyboard shortcuts across the Office Suite.
THIS SO MUCH THIS, LOCALIZED SHORTCUTS ARE PAINFUL, I CAN NOT FIND WAYS TO FULLY EXPRESS MY HATRED FOR THEM AS SOMEONE WHO HAD TO USE OFFICIE 365 IN PORTUGUESE also btw mnemonic shortcuts were a mistake
The French are doing what??
I mean how?
Specifically, I need to understand it for scientific reasons.It’s Microsoft. For some insane reason, excel formulas are localized. E.g. German Excel uses “SUMME()” instead of “SUM()”.
It’s insanely annoying because it sport of makes it more difficult to ask for help (I.e. only Germans might know what SVERWEIS does). And if you manage to find a solution in English, you need to translate it.
Also the required diacritics use the number row on Czech keyboards so you need a numpad or type numbers with Shift.
Thank you for the explanation, I was aware of that.
My joke was merely on the level of:
French fucking Excel formulas
Norwegian as well. It’s basically impossible to find the documentation. Translation has somehow changed the order of words, som direct translation of formulaes is not helpful for searches either.
I hear the French usually program in French as well. I do not want to ever work in France.
Nah, just that WinDev thing.
On the plus side we have actual holidays and good luck bothering me outside of hours, haha!On the plus side we have actual holidays and good luck bothering me outside of hours, haha!
I mean we have that here in Estonia too :P
Haha, fair enough! I’m glad you do!
If you believed the stereotypes, you’d think we’re the only ones, sometimes :)I think that’s mostly an American stereotype, I believe Estonia and France and several other European countries get roughly the same amount of paid holidays as well as paid time off. Though apparently you guys also have a 35 hour work week, which I’m jealous of!
Not true, but don’t let me change your mind!
My experience with German programming languages is with Siemens PLC’s, since the programming language changes together with the IDE when you set the language to German. Looking at Structured Text / Instruction List having U (und) instead of A (and) operator and bunch of other things was interesting.
But IIRC there were also higher programming languages that are in other languages? Wasn’t there one for arabic? Was this it: https://github.com/nasser/---/
As an Arab, I now want to learn to code in Qalb so I can romantically say that I know the workings of the heart <3
Also, how about we make a programming language called ب and have it just stand for برمجه (“Barmaja”: literally programming in Arabic)
The pain is real. Now I wanna design/implement a programming language in the Egyptian dialect (j/k. fuck no)
Maybe that was the one I’ve originally seen. Not sure which one :D
Of course… even an Arabic programming language has a recursive acronym name
I know this is a joke but it’s still wild to me that programming languages aren’t localised.
I guess it would make it way more complicated to use other peoples code if that where the case.
The VBA part of the meme is real, VBA is (was?) localized. Turns out it’s a horrible idea: some keywords are badly translated, some are not translated at all. Googling localized error messages is useless, so you need to guess the original error message from the translation. Want to copy/paste a function from SO? Not so fast, you need to translate the keywords first! And the variable names as well while you’re at it.
Ironically, you end up spending a lot of time on translation-related issues. I’ve worked on a french-VBA app, and it was a miserable experience (well, even more miserable than english VBA).
Yeah, one time I helped out an HR person with an Excel formula. It took like 5 minutes to write the formula on my laptop. Then I sent it to them and it took another 5 minutes to translate it into the local language…
Want to make my job harder? Because that’s how you make my job harder.
You think that about math not being localized too?
Technically math is localised, especially in places that don’t use the western alphabet.
There are some local differences in math notation, e.g.
.vs.,as a decimal separator,•vs.×for multiplication,:vs÷for division et cetera.
Considering that using a keyword to name anything results in compiler (or worse! Interpreter) errors, and that libraries are a thing. And also that copy-pasting code from the internet is a thing. I don’t think it would be a good idea to localize programming languages.
Industrial controls equipment made by German companies can be programmed in English or German. You can also switch languages (German/English) at any time and the IDE switches over all the keywords.
What are you talking about? That must be some super niche use case, cause most IDEs do not do that. And if they do it’s exclusively used by people who can’t really program.
Lots of the industrial programming languages are very different to “normal”/“proper” programming languages, and I can see them being localised.
For example, this is (PLC programming language) Ladder Logic code:
My dad used that a lot to program Siemens Step5 and Step7 PLCs. I think it was German but names were 8 chars since this was straight from the 80s. When he fixed old machines or updated them with new PLCs he had to do full rewrites a few times because nothing was documented in old school machinery.
If he worked in Germany, did he use English or German mnemonics?
If he worked in Germany, did he use English or German mnemonics?
It did depend a little bit, what kind of machine/production line he was working on. Before he retired, he worked for an automation engineering company and had different projects in other EU countries, and tried to be understandable for people in those places. He once even coded some Siemens control panel for an aluminum oven loading robot in the czech republic and tried to translate everything to czech with a dictionary (to have the panel info available in czech,english and German). He did of course speak to the foreman of the workers to get it correct.
That makes sense. I’m also involved in localization efforts. In niche cases, it’s paid off to work with the clients directly on that. You get you a good balance between correctness and day-to-day usefulness.
The language is entirely in English. Only the comments and values are in Portuguese.
Since ladder is mostly diagram-based it almost doesn’t need to be localized and isn’t jarring when you use non-English variable and function names with English keywords.
Apart from being strictly left-to-right.
If you think it’s jarring to mix names from different languages with English keywords… well, I have bad news for you.
Spacing constraints led to accidental French in “Reset_Contage
m”
I’ll just leave this here, “An Introduction to German for ABAP/4 Programmer” (SAP):
I know there is a programming language called windev, all in French, just in case you want to suffer. I would except a good exception handling mechanism in a French base language.
An example from their website: ` TotalCA est un monétaire = CalculCAMoisEnCours()
SI TotalCA >= 1 250 000 ALORS LIB_Objectif= “Objectif dépassé !” LIB_Objectif.Couleur= VertFoncé
SINON SI TotalCA <= 200 000 ALORS LIB_Objectif= “Objectif non atteint” LIB_Objectif.Couleur= RougeClair FIN
FIN `
Here, they are famous for their pinup calendars…
I’d love to swap else with alors in all languages
I think that’s actually a
thenkeywordY’know, from back when it was common for languages to do
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