Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I’m not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it’s easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren’t happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don’t belive one tag line promises.
I’m just wanna say, as a fellow user. Just go to vote.
FCKAFD…
I’ll do my job! 🫡
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I got you. Will do my part!
I’d love to vote but my voting mail didn’t make it in time to me so my vote won’t count ….
Your vote matters, the influence of AFD must be minimized.
Please go vote. Don’t join the US and Russia axis.
I’m an American. Germans, please don’t do to yourselves what we did. Keep AfD as far from power as possible.
The AfD will likely get about 20% (I haze it, but its the reality we live in), but what is also great is, that our leftist party will get about 8%. They won’t be in the government, but they for sure will annoy the hell out of them. They will also pressure the more left leaning parties to not do everything our conservatives want to do. They also promised that they want to push to forwards to the so called “Mietendeckel” (rent lid) to end the raising of rent prices which means more stability for about 46% of people. I am optimistic, that they can do this. They have completely rearranged themselves and skyrocketed from about 2.5% a few months ago to now 8% in the polls. We didnt have so many members in the left party in 15 years. The left party has also been responsible for the crarion of the minimum wage in Germany without being part of the government.
Even tho that the government will be ass, I hope for our left party do actually change something. Even tho we aren’t part of the government we already won this election.
Good luck from Spain, a friend of mine is in Berlin with your party, has worked very hard theses days, and hopes you can get a good result. Go ahead!!!
Please go vote, Germans! We are in pain and it’s going to get worse. Don’t be stupid. Look at us and see why it’s so important for you to go vote.
That’s exactly what I’ll do tomorrow.
I would, but it’s 16 hours early.
Do I have any hope for a progressive government? Do I have hope that anyone but Merz becomes chancellor?
No, too many old men in this country for that.
But damn it, I have 1 vote to cast and cast it I will, giving it 100% to a party I tolerate. Not voting is voting for the end result, and the AFD doesn’t deserve 1% of my vote, let alone what percentage they end up at.
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Actually you have two votes
Unless I vote for a winning independent local candidate, then my second vote is annulled.
But this isn’t about the exact mechanism of German elections. I say colloquially I have 1 vote to cast/2 crosses to set.
Other way around, if an independent wins then second votes are annulled. If a party candidate wins they’re put on the top of the list of people from that party who’ll get into parliament when percentages are turned into seats.
Warning: Bad design, but instead of arguing over the top part, which definitely has some considerations that make it a bit more complicated, my main concern is the bottom part.
It’s not enough that my vote is thrown away if I don’t vote, but put in a blender with all the other non-voters and then distributed in part to the very parties I do not like.
Look at last parliamentary election in CZ.
By increasing attendance by few percent we got rid of communist party which was in parliament from 1945…
I was arguing to non-voters who adopted a “my single vote doesn’t matter” perspective. A single vote in a country is never a few percent.
If people already know and trust that their vote can add up with others to a few percent here or there, they would already go and vote in our system I feel.
When I think about it it may had exactly opposite effect, so much parties stayed under the 5% threshold that 1 000 000 votes didn’t mattered.
Yes you read it right 1/10 of our country’s votes fell through without making any difference. (The ratio is probably worse because not everyone is eligible to vote).
well, except if someone votes for a party that gets less than 5%. it’s a bit similar with the US elections, when democrats would have won, if ppl didn’t vote 3rd party for unrealistic reasons.
Yeah, but throwing out some splinter groups to make a stable government possible is necessary after all, we remember Weimar - though we should not have that threshold at 18 seats by percentage or 3 direct mandates.
On the other hand, I disagree on blaming the democrat loss on third party voters. Third party votes stayed roughly the same compared to 2020 (+0.5 million, not all towards left), while 6 million democrat votes were lost. Democrats simply did not get enough people to the booths with their campaign.
I’m doing my part.
I see a lot of negative comments about the CDU here, but I certainly think Olaf Scholz is a bit of a disaster. From a Finnish perspective at least it seems in fact that apart from the Nordics and Eastern Europeans the rest of Europe still doesn’t have their shit together regarding Ukraine and defense in general. I don’t think CDU would necessarily be worse on that front and I do think they might be stronger on the economy too, Germany needs to get a bit more competitive going forward.
From another fellow nordic, I honestly think any vote that is not for AFD or the pro-russian left is good enough at this point. I also think that CDU suck, but the important thing now is keeping fascism and Russian influence down. Other values are secondary for now.
I’d love to hear why they suck and who would be better and why. SPD track record has been driving Germany to the ground the past few years and the Green denuclearization policies are a disaster both in terms of economics and self-reliance. But of course those view are mine and may well be wrong, that’s just one viewpoint and perhaps poorly informed.
CDU is only a smidge behind on AfD for being rightwibg shitheads, so no, CDU will be terrible.
I don’t necessarily see right leaning as bad automatically, but is there something extreme about the CDU or just that they’re right-leaning?
I don’t necessarily see right leaning as bad automatically
Eww
but is there something extreme about the CDU or just that they’re right-leaning?
Yes, they recently voted together with the Nazi party AfD on the topic of immigrants. Just the most recent example. Also the lead candidate for that party voted against making marital rape illegal.
Could you elaborate on what they voted for? I mean yes AFD is certainly not to be supported, but I suppose it depends on what was voted upon as well. And yeah obviously marital rape is a horrible thing to support, so point taken there for sure.
The eww comment is interesting, I understand if you’re not a fan of conservatism as I’m not a fan of that either, but in Europe generally speaking the problem with the left is that they’re socially liberal which is great but then their economic policies have generally lead to overtaxation and overregulation.
It would be great to have a truly liberal government with far less government spending and far more individual freedom and also individual responsibility. Militarily the left is also understandably cautious given the history, but right now a militarily strong Germany would be needed by the rest of Europe.
Could you elaborate on what they voted for?
How many immigrants are allowed into the country, basically.
the problem with the left is that they’re socially liberal which is great but then their economic policies have generally lead to overtaxation and overregulation.
The proposed tax plans from Die Linke is the only one with a net positive. Not my words but that of multiple economic institutions that looked at the tax plans from all the major parties. Basically, if you make less than 7000€ per month then with Die Linke you will have more after taxes and if you have more than that/if you have a more than a million euros in property you will start paying your fair share. Right now in germany, there is only income tax but no property tax which is highly unfair to the vast majority of people working and living in Germany.
It would be great to have a truly liberal government with far less government spending and far more individual freedom and also individual responsibility.
Nah, such a government would have failed hard during Covid. And with the world as it is right now (or from now on) pandemics become more and more likely. A liberal government would be terrible for that.
Good, substantive comment. I disagree on the Covid part though, Sweden managed Covid wonderfully with quite liberal policies on that front. Don’t you worry with Die Linke that they’re quite pro-Russian or is that a mistaken view from me?
Die Linke is not Pro Putin or Pro Russia. The part of the party that split off some time ago (Now called Bündniss Sarah Wagenknecht) was the Pro Russia part.
Can’t speak on Sweden.
I think CDU is pretty much middle to right ground of kokoomus and persu (both more right wing Finnish parties). And CDU has already taken some AfD point and looking like they would be happy to work with AfD, as kokoomus was first very anti persu, before last election where they set government together. CDU with other partners would be “fine”, but I think everyone’s worried is they wanna stay in power and happily take AfD to guarantee their government position.
I see, I think the consensus view here is quite left-leaning so maybe that’s where the negative view comes from. I’m more Kokoomus leaning myself so I don’t see it as bad but I can understand there’s a lot of polarization going on right now.
[…] CDU … I do think they might be stronger on the economy too
Hell no, their economic platform is basically “make believe”.
Which party do you think would fare better and why? What I thought I knew about Merz is that he favors tax cuts and deregulation, which are definitely factors that Germany does need currently, but am I wrong about his views?
Random tax cuts are trickle-down economics, otherwise known as bullshit that only helps make the rich richer. Deregulating in the areas of environmental protection, climate change, consumer safety and even tax fraud, as the CxU wants to do is just hostility against the people. What Merz also wants to do: double down on energy imports (oil, gas, and nuclear if his lucky stars align), and double down on old tech (ICE motors and gas boilers). Notably, pretty much any party wants to spur investment and make bureaucracy more fluid – but the CxU have questionable methods betraying questionable intentions.
The current economic issues in Germany are caused by a fossilized export-oriented industries that have been outdone variously in terms of price, technology, and quality by Chinese competitors. Germany didn’t have a plan but exported all its technology to China for some phenomenal two decades of growth. And Industry Captains were somehow surprised that all their Chinese JVs sucked up their technology, improved on it, and then sold it at half the price. Meanwhile, China had a pretty good plan, and has supported the solar, wind, battery, and EV technologies for over ten years. They may have overshot target a little bit though, as they appear to be learning that they are producing more of these goods than they can sell. But that creates the kind of market pressure that hurts German companies too.
Another issue is energy prices, and it’s true that Germany is not the cheapest country country in that regard. However, relying on more expensive imported resources oil, gas, nuclear energy is exceedingly unlikely to help in that regard.
I will note that I am a Greens proponent. But I think the above reasoning makes some sense regardless.
Thanks, great reply! Strong argument overall, maybe the only major disagreement here is with nuclear energy. Here in Finland electricity is some of the cheapest in Europe and while it’s not entirely due to nuclear that is a key factor for us in self-reliance and energy security especially when you’re going down the renewable road, because you do need some kind of a stable backbone for days where solar and wind just don’t produce enough, at least until there are better storage options. There’s a huge need to optimize the energy mix with renewables because it’s unsustainable to have these massive price fluctuations currently and I don’t see many solutions currently that have more potential than Nuclear, especially if we can make SMR’s a reality. I am of course aware also that Nuclear by itself definitely isn’t a cheap way to produce electricity, but I believe especially SMR’s and other advancements can do a lot there.
as a fellow reddit user
Hnmm…
But yeah its not just a privilege but a duty to vote.
Fixed. Funny how that post got removed on any reddit subs. I had tried to figure out why was that. Like just mod removed. And nothing else.
Yes. Question is - who? All parties suck across the board for me.
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I can’t vote right because I’m a human
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I can’t vote left because I got too much money for that
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I can’t vote black or red because nothing will happen or change, the country will just keep declining
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I can’t vote green because these people are actively ruining the country
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I can’t vote for one of the smaller parties that would actually fit much much better but they got 0 chance of getting into the parliament and I might aswell toss my vote out the window.
It’s just such a sad state of affairs right now. Every major party fucks me sideways one way or the other lmao.
So this is the modern voter suppression, everything sucks, nothing will change, so better to not vote at all. And who will gain in that?
Im not saying who you should vote, there is different tools to figure out what party fits your world views.
I’m not saying that I won’t vote at all. I’m just saying that I’m having a very hard time deciding who to vote for.
Fill that, tweak values and do the parties main lines match your world views.
Not voting is accapting the extreme parties taking power.
Don’t worry, I’ve done that already. The problem is that the parties at the top for me are all tiny parties without a realistic chance to win. If I only filter by parties that were elected last time, the first party is … FDP at 55.7%. Then SPD at 54.3%. All other parties are below 50%.
It’s tough electing a party that way.
So you don’t want to vote left because you only think about yourself but also red wouldn’t change anything which you don’t like. And greens ruin the country? Are you gonna spout shit about the Heizungsgesetz next?
You are making more than 7000€ a month or have more than a million bucks? It’s time to pay your fair share.
You are making more than 7000€ a month … It’s time to pay your fair share.
Dunno, I’m looking at my tax statement for 2023 and I paid a metric fuckton of taxes already. I already paid my fair share.
I agree with you and don’t feel that I’d support one of the big parties enough to cast my vote for them in a situation where it’s pest vs cholera. But with the right being so clearly against humanity and democratic values I think the time has come to choose either pest or cholera over evil itself. Usually I voted for a small party that falls under the 5% but this time I won’t, just because I’d rather cast my vote for a party that clearly positions themselves against the right and I can agree with in some ways than to not give it at all or cast it without any impact in the actual government.
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Unless you were planning to vote for afd. Then you should kys.
Follow dear leader’s example
One exception: if you plan to vote AfD… Maybe don’t vote.
If you want to vote AfD you should put a Hakenkreuz. This way the vote is counted twice.
And don’t forget to sign the paper with your full name
and send the paper to the Verfassungsschutz…
Or for the CDU. They are the ones that will enable the AfD to rise even more and I am already betting, that if nothing changes fundamentally, they will work together with them in 4 years.
I doubt anyone on here would vote AFD
No no no, but if you vote AfD it is very important to sign your vote
Lots of politicians would be jailed, if it would be that easy …
I just fucking hope those polls were just more of the corporate right wing propaganda we see everywhere. I can’t imagine voting right after seeing all of the conservative incompetence in recent years.
Always vote folks!
