• @[email protected]
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    Whenever someone says, “who cares, proton VPN is free,” I get a bit sadder. If Proton ever drops the free tier, honestly? I’ll understand. Because God knows, seeing people who can’t be fucked to give a damn about open access to information using costly infrastructure to watch their shitty porn, I might’ve just cut it already.

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      Yeah and just torrent porn or use those debrid services. Stop giving these sites that bend the knee traffic.

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        Depends on how much other media you consume. If you’re forced to get a VPN anyway I bet you’re more likely to start looking into pirating everything else, too

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        Eh, I see it as a necessity in the modern age, it’s politically agnostic for me. I run a full time VPN as a matter of privacy and security.

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          VPN doesn’t really do anything for security, and it only really gives you privacy from your ISP. They’re very much over-marketed by VPN companies.

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              Not really.

              If your browser is properly configured, it’ll recognize a MITM attack, so you’ll know if your traffic is properly encrypted because it checks root certs against a known good set. The only concern is domain name leakage (both from DNS and SNI), but that’s a privacy thing, not a security thing. DoH fixes the DNS issue, so consider that for a low hanging fruit privacy win.

              If you’re accessing things outside a browser… don’t do that on public WiFi unless you can confirm it verifies certificates.

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      I spun up OpenVPN on a Digital Ocean droplet 7-years ago. LOL, no longer have any idea how it works, but it’s $6/mo. and never dies. 🏴‍☠️

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    This is pretense to intrude on other things and more importantly remove the ability to browse pornography anonymously, which is dangerous. I would never use an account to browse a porn site because why would I ever want that data linked back to me? Look at the government right now. You watch a gay or trans porn video and in a few years that could be grounds for never being able to have certain types of jobs or worse, being deemed a “miscreant”

    If this was truly about protecting children they would encourage open dialogue on sex in homes and increase inclusive sex education. This is evidence based. It would still be necessary even with this nonsense because obviously vpns exist, as well as amateur run sites, sites run from outside of the USA, torrents, etc that don’t give a shit about us laws requiring age verification and will show all kinds of obscenely hardcore videos

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      KOSA would require age verification for these sites and social networking. Nationally.

      Luckily the bill appears to be dead

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    “Verification is carried out by 3rd party”. Totally no potential to misuse of collected data.

    • Echo Dot
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      Well at least it’s not going to the federal government so it should be somewhat safe

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        The third party has a very secure agreement to very securely sell data to 572 advertising partners and that is very securely being bought by the FBI.

        Not that outlandish, since the FBI and the US police already buys advertising data streams to get access to data they are prohibited to collect directly.

        It’s so bad there are already middlemen who buy data and compile it into products for law enforcement.

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          You forgot to mention that of course 253 of the 572 advertising partners consider their use to be a ‘legitimate interest’ under privacy legislation despite being nothing even close.

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        If it was last administration I’d say it’s just slightly annoying that our day was going to the federal government. But it’s admin…maybe not

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          I don’t want any administration to be able to. They should absolutely be able to buy it so long as they have a warrant for that instance of that individual or if the individual agrees to cooperate in that instance without coercion.

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    The privacy and security issues of this are pretty obvious. However I do think that the easy accessibility and ubiquity of porn and highly sexualized content for children and tweens is a serious problem that people who make fun of porn restriction efforts fail to address or even acknowledge.

    Certainly a lot of the responsibility falls on guardians, but it’s hard to moderate when you’re up against the giant machines of social media. They need help to limit exposure. And this isn’t some prudish “oh no protect the children from the titty and the peen” attitude. I don’t think most people feel comfortable with the idea of 10-year olds sharing videos of aggressive gang banging or throat fucking like it’s a normal thing. And obviously this isn’t exclusive to porn. Plenty of explicit and gruesomely violent content out there to be worried about. But the internet footprint of porn dwarfs everything else put together.

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      Certainly a lot of the responsibility falls on guardians, but it’s hard to moderate when you’re up against the giant machines of social media.

      It’s really not. Establish an open and trusting relationship with your kids.

      Porn will be accessible without ID regardless, because plenty of sites operate outside the neutron jurisdiction of the US. All this does is punish responsible sites and push kids onto sketchier websites.

      The only real solution here is responsible parenting. If you’re not going to be a responsible parent, don’t have kids.

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        Not every kid has the privilege of being born to parents who give a shit or are even in their lives for one reason or another.

        Still my original point was not about what the actual good pragmatic solutions are to reducing accessibility (a spectrum from can’t avoid it to mildly inconvenient to highly inaccessible to banned). It was about recognizing the problem at all.

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          Yeah, some parents suck. And they should probably face legal repercussions. But as you imply, that’s another ball of wax entirely.

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      Why is it everyone’s problem that parents can’t figure out that their kids shouldn’t have unlimited unrestricted access to the internet? They know not to let their children loose on the Las Vegas strip, why can’t they apply the same logic to the internet? I don’t agree with 10 year olds looking at porn even slightly but also it’s not my problem. I’m tired of the world making everything child friendly. I don’t have kids for a reason and if I want to watch Human Centipede 1-4 while blasting hardcore dwarf deepthroat gangbang porn then that’s my prerogative.

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        Because we live in a society and things that impact society impact you, as a member of society. It’s the same reason why we have age restrictions for alcohol, porn stores, and cigarettes. It’s also why we have laws about seatbelts, labour, and certain non-toxic but excessively unhealthy ingredients. Even if you take giving a shit about others out of the equation, the self-interested view knows that what happens to others’ kids now can and do become your individual problem down the road.

        Enforcing age restriction is not a ban. I think as an adult it’s entirely your perogative to watch your dwarf porn. However your framing of “making everything kid friendly” is a bit misleading and disingenuous. It’s quite the same as complaining everyone is always trying to make things kid friendly because they check your ID at the liquor store. Would it be more convenient if you could just grab and go? Sure. But the social harm without it clearly outweighs the inconvenience.

        The fickle problem with the internet porn is still privacy and data security, but that’s a separate issue.

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    Fortunately, this is easy to work around, just get a VPN hosted in a didn’t different state or country.

    We have something similar here in Utah, so I have a WiFi network that is always connected to a VPN in a neighboring state. If something isn’t accessible, I just swap WiFi networks and I’m good.

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        There are free VPNs as well, such as Proton’s free tier, or Tor. So you’ve got options.

        But yes, I absolutely agree that this shouldn’t be necessary. My point is that it’s largely unenforceable if you put in a tiny amount of effort.

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          Seems like it became so, yea

          But it’s more a question of anonymity / privacy while doing those things

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          The porn is just the first place they start, their plan is to label anything lgbt as pornographic and require a similar process to view basic educational content. This is how they get around the 1st amendment.

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            Oh yeah I do see the slippery slope of this whole deal, the only thing that irked me was the wording of this comment as if xhamster is a basic human freedom, but I find that a little odd since xhamster and pornhub steal from sex workers to provide it “for free” y’know.

            But with the banning of books and trans people unable to get in or out of the country… It is fucked up and scary.

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              There’s a correlation between people who swallow stupid right wing talking points and people who were unsuccessful educationally. It may be unproductive to take your rhetorical question literally and attempt to provide factual information in response.

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          Not sure, but it’s very ironic coming from “the land of the free”. Every day there is an american coming out in the Internet with the classic “you don’t have freedom of speech”, and then they have to provide a driving licence for a quickie

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      Honestly, these laws are just gonna hurt old men in Republican states. Like, I grew up with piracy, torrents, and old school forums. These educated me on computers enough that I made a career out of it. And most of that computer knowledge was gained because I wanted to see big tittied women sit on each other’s faces. These laws don’t stop horny teens from accessing porn. It just makes them better at it.

      And this is definitely not one of the cases of “oh it’ll reduce numbers overall though”. No the fuck it won’t. It’s porn. They’re gonna access it. Literally every YouTuber they watch is sponsored by a VPN.

      The only healthy thing to do is actually talking to your kids about porn. Educating them on its potential harms. But Republicans don’t ever want to talk to their kids. Ironically, these “drain the swamp” people just want daddy government to “prevent” their kids from accessing it. Which these laws don’t do.

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        Honestly, these laws are just gonna hurt old men in Republican states.

        You know I think a lot more of their politics and general life outlook makes more sense when you understand that probably a lot of these super old guys are not computer literate enough to look up their niche fetishistic porn interests, and are probably still consuming porn the old fashioned way, which is becoming increasingly nonexistent even though it’s still something that actually exists. Plus the propagation of morally puritanical values means that if they kept any of that material around at all, they’d be hypocrites, so they can’t have that. Probably a lot of these dudes are walking around super pent up and sexually frustrated, I’d bet.

        We need to introduce local community college and library courses to teach these elderly boomers how to goon

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          I think your theory is partially correct. But I think it’s just as likely they are gooners themselves. I feel like porn addiction (gooning) is more prolific which people that have reactionary beliefs. My theory is that their political leanings are a counter to their actual actions. I don’t think the gooner needs “material” to goon to. I think in it’s absence it will happen through a Macy’s magazine etc.

          It’s similar almost to priest being the most common pedos. I think these types of conservative/reactionary ideologies just create sexual suppression that manifest in addictive behavior. This is not to say that all conservatives are pedos. But to say that those beliefs combined with sexual suppression often creat these extremes. Whether it be addiction to gooning (outside of their access to goon material) or otherwise.

          Idk. I just think that it’s an unhealthy relationship with sexuality that any generation can fall pray to. But it’s happens more often based on the circumstances of each individual/generation. And it’s why it seems to be so extreme in both boomers and recent generations. They both are experiencing extreme economic material conditions/contradictions.

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            It’s similar almost to priest being the most common pedos.

            Pedos tend to aggregate around any job that will give them trusted or unrestricted access to children. The suppression you’re talking about in this case isn’t just from religion, but permeates all of society. Like, they can’t even hypothetically leave the church and move somewhere more liberal where their desire for kid fucking isn’t being suppressed. At least not until the weird libertarian crypto-bros who oppose age of consent manage to create such a place.

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        These laws don’t stop horny teens from accessing porn. It just makes them better at it.

        Exactly. And it punishes the responsible sites that follow the law and drives people to the sketchier sites that don’t.

        If you want more viruses and identity theft, I guess this is a good law for you.

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          Yep. If these red states actually cared about kids they’d care about proper sex education. But I think this stuff just proves that Republicans are afraid of sex. They had an awkward conversation about it with their dad once and have been leaving their wives unsatisfied for 30 years since. They have no idea what to do if their kid actually came home from school and asked them what the difference between a clitoris and a vagina was. They are absolutely afraid of the female body and it’s why they try to control it so much.

          Sorry. A bit of a rant. If this was a different conversation I’d have plenty to criticize about the sex industry too. But these conservatives don’t have enough brain cells to actually talk about the problems with it. So we have old men making laws that do nothing but make them feel better. Or it’s projection for their own porn addiction.

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      It must be real inconvenient to have to turn on a VPN, it’s like a whole button that they have to click, Libs totally owned. Meanwhile the actual weird idiots that voted for this can barely operate a mouse and so they actually do have to suffer the consequences of their own decisions.

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        well yes it’s inconvenient to have to pay to pretend to be in another country to access a website

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          Why another country? Just pick a neighboring state so you don’t get terrible latency.

          And Proton VPN is free and is probably fast enough to get the job done. Or there’s Tor. You don’t necessarily have to pay.

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          Then there’s “normal” websites that use cloudflare and blocks vpn access for no good reason (looking at you Home Depot and Lowe’s), or worse yet, they redirect you to a country-specific website based on the ip location.

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              That’s why they have the ability to lookup and select a store. I actually opened a help desk ticket with Home Depot and they did eventually fix it so vpn is allowed. Lowe’s I kinda just gave up by that point.

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            You mean like Reddit? Reddit folded to OpenAI btw. Open AI was co-founded by Elon Musk. You can just tell they are not on the good side of history.

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              Like a lot of websites. I also forgot to mention how Google has to verify you’re human because you’re on VPN.

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    Soon they’ll start recording you jerking it to cross reference with previous sessions as identity confirmation.

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      Can you imagine, training rec algos for porn sites on intensity of movement and facial expressions…

      Edit: if this ever happens (and I’m 85% convinced it will in some way), I’ll just start crankin’ to financial spreadsheets and medication specs, keep’em guessing.

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        I would skip to when they start telling you about the side effects. So hot.

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      Well, they know what parts of what videos you watch, your favorite keywords, time/days patterns, location, I’d say they can train AI on that data

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        ChatGPT will be drawing conclusions from the data like “Subject is likely a tipthumbing twister (86.436% confidence) with content dependent high frequency intervals (94.738% confidence)”

        It’ll analyze things like minor mouse movements, microphone audio, and use that wifi radar trick.

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    Guilty Canadian Admission:

    In my teens I lived in Brockville Ontario near Ogdensburg New York and watched a lot of US channels. The Star Spangled Banner came on at the beginning of the broadcast day for some channels.

    For many years, I thought the first line was “Jose can you see”