While it is true that the EU provides more financial support than the US, the US provides most of the military aid that helped the country withstand and slow down the Russian advance. The EU is powerful as an economic block, but they don’t have a unified army, they depend on American weaponry (with the exception of France), and I don’t see much political will to keep arming Ukraine if the US pulls out completely or if the Trump administration pauses sanctions.
It seems to me that Trump simply cannot get over Zelensky not ‘helping’ him to find something nefarious about Biden’s son during his first administration and now POTUS is first provoking him and then, when Zelensky send a diplomatically worded answer, POTUS overreacts and insults, like he got the excuse he was looking for. So vindictive and victim blaming.
This is not the America I was taught about.
I’ve never seen a country destroy it’s credibility with allies so fast in such a short notice. Putin is sure having a good time watching all this.
I’ve heard most US senators are pro Ukraine, but I don’t see any of them confronting Trump. GOP belongs to MAGA now.
Unless democrats win the midterms in 2026 he’s going to have 4 years of trifecta. I don’t see how Ukraine can survive 4 more years of onslaught only with European help and no boots on the ground.
Does Ukraine have any chance?
Europe is going to be the wildcard. If the US sides with Russia and says “take this deal or you get nothing from us”, it will basically be up to Europe to carry Ukraine. If they’re willing to do this, Ukraine can tell the US no and move forward with self preservation. Like you said though, Europe’s military resources aren’t what the US has. So time will tell how it pans out. Just keep and eye on Europe to see what the chances will be.
Didn’t they JUST announce 700billion dollars in military funding yesterday?
No, they have been discussing it. They wont make any announcement until after German elections.
No, not right now. There was a comment from the German foreign minister saying that Europe should apply the same amount of funding as it did against covid, and that was about €670 billion ($700 billion). However the discussion is ongoing and Britain and France have both just said they’re willing to put troops on the ground to protect a ceasefire, so hope is not lost
It should also be pointed out that Germany saying anything at all about foreign military intervention is a big deal, given their longstanding policy against it.
Ukraine has zero incentive to surrender. Most of the population can’t live under occupation anyway. They will not make through filtration camps. That’s like 2/3 of population that Russia will need to kill or displace.
Best Ukraine can do is hope to survive until EU or US comes around.
Once they actually lose the war, they will need to be resettled in EU anyway.
I am not sure how something like 15 million people even get resettled at this point but that’s where we are going.
Europe already took 7-8m so I guess it is possible.
Once US funds dry up, Ukraine must rely solely on European money, which is barely a drip feed compared to Bidens firehouse.
Russia can take over the entire country of Ukraine within ten years and millions of Russian conscripted men killed since they have an infinite supply of tanks, money and people willing to take the risk of death for money to send home and feed their families.
Although the US has spent more on bangs than Europe, which has spent on bangs but also helmets and armour and transport.
There is the hope of that asteroid hitting earth.
We’ve been through this shit before. Multiple times, in fact, over centuries. We’ll get through it, as we’ve done before. It will likely take time. It will certainly take hell of an effort. But we will.
Yeah, the EU. As an American, I’m sorry for these dipshits and if it comes to it I’ll fight for Greenland…
As a european working in the weapon industry, I love reading american people thinking we make no weapons or the weapons we make are worse. We even sold some ships to the US lol. American military is the best, but not necesarily for quality, but for the sheer amount (aka quantity) coming from how much money you put in there. And a lot of money is spent buying other systems…
I’m not trying to diminish the quality or importance of the French military, the only EU country with an independent industrial military complex, but as of 2025 USAF has 385 operative F-35 and another 1,350 on order. Many NATO allies are procuring this fighter. This is a 5th generation fighter, the Dassault Rafale and the Dassault Mirage 2000 are 4th generation. Currently, no 5th generation fighters are being produced in the EU.
Unpopular opinion, but the Americans have better quality airframes and produce more. On a wide EU-Russia conflict the EU would still depend on US made weaponry. Sad but true.
Which should be a reason good enough to create an EU wide military industrial complex and make your own 5th and 6th generation fighters and your own defense systems.
But the EU is eternally disunited.
I agree with you, also I literally said the same: quantity is literally US strength and EU’s weakness. EU countries are mostly selling their weapons rather than use it. Btw I’m not from france and the industry in my country is as developed as the french one if not more. Kinda happy about the fact you don’t know abouf it though: military info should not be well known or it could become a liability lol
