Like:
People should be allowed to exist
Social programs aren’t communism
The system isn’t working for the people
Edit:
I’ve changed my mind on this.
Let the DNC go full MAGA and when they lose, because they will lose, they get the heat and we can eject them forever. At least sit them in a corner.
Progressives, you fight if you want but I don’t believe the elections will be fair so it’s a win win for you.
The…dominance of small-dollar donors? I wish.
If the small donors are dominating… Why would you abandon them?
And how could small-dollar donors not represent the preferences of the broader electorate?
That’s what I keep trying to figure out
I suppose they count electorate in dollars, not people? Maybe they mean to say “broader capital interests”?
Because they’re not giving the bribes that the big donors give. Politicians expect a high paying effortless lobbying job as reward for selling out their country.
Fuck, if that were true we’d have just gotten done with 8 years of President Sanders 😥
you want a maga monarchy, even long after the diaper’s been buried? this is one of many ways to hand it to them.
Nooo, you’re not supposed to blame Democratic leadership, you’re supposed to blame the voters!
As long as they’re part of the aristocracy they don’t care.
Jesus Christ, is this real?
Big cities have problems, but they are still far better off than small town rural America. There isn’t some specific failure happening in large cities, you’re seeing the broad inevitable enshittification of Capitalism as a system.
Democrats must be some serious masochists, they would actually rather take the blame thenselves than admit capitalism is wrong.
DNC: we tried bootlicking billionaires and it didn’t work, what if we double down on bootlicking billionaires even harder.
It’s also reported here. This fits with the reports of complaining that Democratic Congresspeople have been doing about the progressive wing of the party wanting them to fight back against DOGE. They and party leadership may well be aiming to not just talk like it, but fully become the new Republican party, in hopes of having a stampede of “moderate” Republicans who aren’t happy with Trump come their way.
Also, big donors are angry at them, so I guess they’re trying to win those donors back.
It’s always about the dollars, not about the votes
Don’t forget: dollars are votes.
The top of the Democratic party basically wants to become the party of big money and try and steal this mantle from the Republicans.
Obviously, this isn’t going to work because the donors will just go for the party that will give them more, and they will always be the Republicans party.
This is basically just the campaign advisors trying to get as much money into the campaigns as possible, because they get a cut of every ad buy. They’re not interested in making things better for the people, just looking at their bottom line.
This is just the other half of the one party state
Looks like it to me.
Moderates have done nothing but sell their America out for a seat at an empty table. How could anything good come from people who are currently in charge of the shit show called the DNC?
We should really be discussing ways to take over the party, like the tea party did. I’ve been wondering why I’m so reluctant to register as a Democrat yet wanting to feel like a part of it I want to bend to my will
Moderates have done a thousand times more good for America than progressives.
Last progressive president was who, maybe JFK, and he didn’t even finish a full term.
Last progressive president was who, maybe JFK, and he didn’t even finish a full term.
Yeah, I know. He really just quit half way through.
Oh, wait. He was ASSASSINATED.
Just because you’re right it doesn’t make me wrong.
Moderates didn’t stop trump.
Moderates didn’t protect abortion.
Moderates didn’t stop bibi from bombing the shit out of Palestine.
Moderates didn’t secure the supreme court.
Moderates didn’t make trump regret jan 6th.
Moderates didn’t prevent what’s happening to Ukraine right now.
Moderates didn’t make net neutrality into law.
Moderates didn’t legalize weed.
Moderates didn’t think America could handle a primary.
Moderates didn’t think primaries should be fair.
The first two and last one moderates definitely tried but no one but moderates wanted to vote for Clinton so the conservatives got a majority in the SCOTUS and Trump got voted in the first time.
As for stopping Israel, no one in the world including the progressives have done anything meaningful there.
I’m just saying if moderates are the solution, and we’ve been leaning on moderates since 2016, how is the framework of our government falling apart?
Last election people knew they had a choice between Donald Trump and status quo and eighty million people decided they didn’t give a fuck what happened.
I’d say that is a pretty good reason why the government is falling apart.
So we agree that voters do not want status quo? Because that’s what moderates were offering.
Moderates were at the helm my dude. They marched out all their best friends. Dick Cheney. Liz Cheney. Mike Pence.
Biden is poster boy moderate. He even brought us famous legislation like:
Student loan debt being unforgiveable
War on drug shit to save us from the “super criminals”
I’m not saying moderates aren’t an important part of the GOP. Honestly they are sometime easier to be around. I just think they will appear pompous against a trump who is brilliantly an asshole and get creamed.
This could tactically work for them, given that the Republican Party has been hollowed out by a transnational crime syndicate, leaving conservatives who aren’t fascists and don’t want to see America burn without a party. Still sucks to be the progressives they’d kick to the kerb, though if this craters the Republican Party, it’ll leave a vacuum to be filled by a second party, the most obvious candidate being the Democrats’ marginalised left wing. So America would end up with a centre-right Democratic Party, which would be somewhere between Eisenhower Republicans and the German CDU or similar, and a new left-of-centre party, which would basically be the Dems minus all the Manchins and Blue Dogs and other spoilers. (Unless there is significant electoral reform, both would be the only viable parties, and each would be a broad church.)
It’s asinine. Hand over the DNC to the people who made the RNC what it is today. OK, but what do you actually win? 100 more people get to clutch power until death wrenches it from their hands?
This could tactically work for them
Lol, it absolutely will not. Republicans are republicans, first and foremost. They are voting republican because republicans are their sports team. It does not matter what the policies espoused by democrats are, they are democrats, and thus verboten for republicans.
Do you not remember the hilarious interviews where democratic (maybe obama specifically, depends on the video) policies were pitched to republicans, and they agreed with them up until the reveal that the policy was from the ‘wrong side’ of the political aisle?
I’ve lived and worked around enough republicans to know that if given the choice between voting for a Republican and a slightly watered down yesteryear Republican, the Republican voter will always just choose the Republican. Especially because their media sphere is screaming at them about how the democrat is a secret Muslim Marxist who wants to give everyone’s babies to the Clinton’s antarctic adrenochrome base. You know who did at least better with Republicans? Bernie. And I think that scares the fuck out of the big doner class.
Let me restate that: There is, no shit, a better chance of a full-throttle communist revolution than of capturing Republican voters by chasing them.
The blue MAGA are here on Lemmy and I ran into couple of them. They keep shouting to the rooftops that the Democratic party did nothing wrong and berate Trump voters as stupid and ignorant. But they are tone deaf when you point out that the Democratic party is not willing to run on the platform on Medicare-for-all, build more social housing and increase federal minimum wage (and ditch Israel), which made the party unappealing and lose consistently. Basically, blue MAGA don’t want to go left, because even if they are socially progressive on issues, they benefit from wealth inequality because they themselves are affluent in spite of being socially progressive.
Edit: yep, the blue MAGA came out of the woodwork. They think Medicare for all, affordable housing, and increasing minimum wage are red fascism.
They keep shouting to the rooftops that the Democratic party did nothing wrong
Yeah I don’t believe you. People aren’t saying that. That is you taking the liberty of recharacterizing their thoughts.
im not even from the US and i see this shit constantly on Lemmy
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I have been accused of loving Democrats for saying things like “what are Democrats supposed to do about voters who would let trump win?” It’s as though nuance was outlawed and people cannot understand that a problem can have multiple causes.
And yes I’ve heard all that about being inspiring. The reality is that educated people would’ve made very different voting choices. Americans are incredibly ignorant. Democrats can’t hypnotize people into not being idiots
What Democrats are supposed to do is sell those voters on a platform of meaningful change that addresses their fears and concerns. It’s a candidate’s job to win voters over to their side, and if they can’t do that, you have to actually ask questions about what went wrong and learn lessons from it instead of throwing your hands up and declaring it’s everyone else’s fault but the DNC’s. Otherwise that attitude is what will lead to doing the exact same thing in 2028 and getting the same results.
throwing your hands up and declaring it’s everyone else’s fault but the DNC’s.
The worst of the mindless drivel I find so incredibly frustrating. Things can have more than one cause, as you’re so clumsily trying to ignore. When voters need convincing to exit a burning building, that would indicate a problem with their mentality as well. I’m done arguing about this extremely simple concept.
The point is that blaming voters isn’t actionable or useful. It isn’t a lesson we can learn for 2028. And when that’s what people keep deflecting the conversation to, it sure seems like a way for the DNC to avoid taking responsibility.
When you ask the question “what are Democrats supposed to do?”, the answer is not “nothing”.
Rendering the voters blameless is ignoring a reality that necessarily is a part of strategizing moving forward.
When you ask the question “what are Democrats supposed to do?”, the answer is not “nothing”.
No shit? They didn’t do “nothing”, they did ineffective things half assedly. But sure it’s really helpful just to think of everything as black and white. It’s been working out SO well recently. Now, get back to defending not voting as somehow blameless
I find the concept of “voters were just to dumb, cant do anything about that” to be quite representative of what is wrong with the party. It is elitist, it is factually false and it is deeply undemocratic.
except education levels are tied to voting bloc amid republicans attacking education
so that cam be true and the democratic party be shit at the same time
Yes I’m aware that people think nonvoters are helpless and then somehow find that better than being dumb
There are plenty of them if you lurk long enough. They will harp “vote blue, no matter who” and repeating the meme “leopards ate your face”. The litmus test is to mention that Democrats did not go left enough which is why people voted for Trump (who promised the always appealing tax cuts amidst the growing inequality and radical reshoring of companies), and blue MAGA will bury their heads in the sand and keep calling Latinos, black folks and white working class and others who are working three jobs, living pay check to paycheck, and can’t afford to pay for medical insurance as ignorant, racist, misogynists, Uncle Toms, etc.
Sure it was stupid to vote Trump, but it was more stupid of Democrats to lose to an orange man by not appealing and refusing to acknowledge those who have economic anxieties brought by mismanaged globalisation. It would have been an easy victory, but blue MAGA and DNC do not want to alienate the same donors that fund the Republicans (I mean, look at the screenshot where it says to court big donors instead).
Sure it was stupid to vote Trump, but it was more stupid of Democrats to lose to an orange man by not appealing and refusing to acknowledge those who have economic anxieties brought by mismanaged globalisation.
Average red fascist preferring literal fascists to the dreaded Shitlibs™
You have it the other way around. It is the Shitlibs™ preferring literal fascists by not going left enough on common sense policies that the rest of other developed countries take for granted. By not running on popular policies, Shitlibs are tacitly allowing literal fascists to take power. Instead, all the Shitlibs/blue MAGA say is “I am not my opponent. And you will be happy with our breadcrumb policies or the other guy wins! (But we don’t care, we get paid by our corporate donors regardless)”
You couldn’t be more transparent if you tried
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I appreciate you clearing up your AgEnDa
You have it the other way around. It is the Shitlibs™ preferring literal fascists by not going left enough on common sense policies that the rest of other developed countries take for granted.
“They didn’t go far left enough; therefore, the smarter choice was to vote for the furthest right option available.”
👏
By not running on popular policies, Shitlibs are tacitly allowing literal fascists to take power.
Tell me more about these popular policies. Or rather, tell me more about their popularity in the US electorate.
This user’s recent post is a pretty good indicator of how little they understand
Edit: downvote all you want, binary thinkers
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“They didn’t go far left enough; therefore, the smarter choice was to vote for the furthest right option available.”
They didn’t offer any meaningful change at a time when voters were upset with the status quo, therefore the voters chose a fascist who was offering something rather than nothing.
At the end of the day, we lost. And we have to talk about why we lost if we want to learn any lessons next time.
They didn’t offer any meaningful change at a time when voters were upset with the status quo, therefore the voters chose a fascist who was offering something rather than nothing.
Doesn’t make it a smart fucking choice. If anything, context makes it stupider.
At the end of the day, we lost. And we have to talk about why we lost if we want to learn any lessons next time.
And unfortunately, ‘policy wasn’t left enough’ isn’t the answer.
Dem policy should move leftward, mind you. But not because it’ll win us votes. Policy is of marginal importance to everyone save a handful of terminally educated political junkies like us. Dem policy should move leftward because left policy will be better for the country and move the country itself left in the long-term.
Elections, though? We have to win those using different criteria than “What’s good for the country.”
Or at least, we did. God knows if we’ll have meaningful elections again at this point.
“26 replies” but I cant see any of them because I have those kinds of idiots blocked
I see that you have more experience of them than I do.
Turns out that the prominent posters, pugje$u$, is one of the blue MAGA.
But they are tone deaf when you point out that the Democratic party is not willing to run on the platform on Medicare-for-all, build more social housing and increase federal minimum wage (and ditch Israel), which made the party unappealing and lose consistently.
Oh cool, those are winning issues in the Dem primaries, right?
So you are indeed one of those.
It is as if Bernie, a more popular candidate, wasn’t deliberately sidelined. It is as if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, another popular politician, wasn’t selected to head the Oversight committee and chose instead a geriatric, monied politician. It is
And finally, ask yourself, is not running on those popular platforms gave Democrats the win in elections? Or are you going to call people dumb? Who is really the dumb one for losing against annoying orange?
So you are indeed one of those.
“BlueMAGA is when you look at a fascist-voting electorate and don’t see The Indomitable Rise Of The Proletariat™ in a fascist electoral victory”
It is as if Bernie, a more popular candidate, wasn’t deliberately sidelined.
More popular as measured by…?
It is as if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, another popular politician, wasn’t selected to head the Oversight committee and chose instead a geriatric, monied politician.
That has nothing to do with Dem primaries or the electorate, man.
And finally, ask yourself, is not running on those popular platforms gave Democrats the win in elections?
No. If it was, why would Bernie not have won the Dem primaries? If these positions were so overwhelmingly popular when expressed by politicians and not as abstracts, why would Bernie, an undeniably charismatic, fucking spotless politician with years of experience and a sharp wit, lose to Clinton, and then Biden?
Or are you going to call people dumb? Who is really the dumb one for losing against annoying orange?
I didn’t realize intelligence was measured in votes. I guess I have to concede that your position is correct - by that measure, fascism is smart, while all the losers are dumb. Like the Dems. And the PSL.
After all, if they were smart, they would’ve won, right?
I’m a two-time Bernie voter. If there was a real primary in '24, I probably would’ve been a three-time Bernie voter. I marched for him back when my leg was good. I donated. I hammered on doors.
People are not as left as you think they fucking are.
Your comment is strange and contradictory, which I have suspicion of on what your trying to do. But I will bite.
Dem primaries-- much of whom are full of blue MAGA and rigged by DNC elites-- selecting a non-popular candidate who will do the bidding of corporate donors will not win the actual election. Bernie is popular when polled on national level (by the way, in a hypothetical election between Trump and Bernie, showed the latter would be way ahead). But if polled among the elites and blue MAGA such as yourself? Of course he is not popular.
Dem primaries-- much of whom are full of blue MAGA and rigged by DNC elites-- selecting a non-popular candidate who will do the bidding of corporate donors will not win the actual election.
Rigged how?
Bernie is popular when polled on national level (by the way, in a hypothetical election between Trump and Bernie, showed the latter would be way ahead).
Okay, so it should have been easy for him to get out the vote in the primaries, right?
But if polled among the elites and blue MAGA such as yourself? Of course he is not popular.
I literally pointed out that I’m a Bernie supporter. Did you forget to read the comment before replying or something?
Would you like to remind me what Bernie’s weakest demographics were in the Dem primaries, in 2016 and 2020?
Anyone who genuinely support Sanders would not be begging the questions and pretending not to know how the DNC deliberately sidelined him; nor not know how popular his policies are when polled among Americans, which the polls are easily searched on the Internet if one types how popular a given Bernie Sanders or the general progressive proposals are.
You are not really fooling anyone feigning to be Bernie supporter but an actual DNC sock puppet. It is not my problem though, it is the Democratic party who will keep losing (not that they care, they mind more not alienating their rich donors that also fund the Republicans).
You are not really fooling anyone feigning to be Bernie supporter but an actual DNC sock puppet.
Lord.
rigged by DNC elites
Is there any proof of this?
Edit: So, no proof indeed, just downvotes? Lol, alright.
The “far left” has a disproportionate influence on policy and messaging?
What a joke.
They’re going to use this defeat to blame progressives and Walz (who consistently had the highest favorability of anyone on either side of the race) instead of their conservative cop Kamala.
They selected Walz because he was polling the best (because he talks like a normal person), and then they basically hid him because they didn’t like what he said. Not sure if he did any interviews after the Jon Stewart one where he was slightly too honest about Liz Cheney.
I don’t understand, so their goal is to shift from centrists to conservatives? What is even happening right now?
A convent of dems in Virginia attempting to revive Jimmy Carter.
This is pathetic and embarrassing
Love America, stop letting extremists speak for us, get involved with regular people, foster community, and govern better. The democrats might have a chance after all.
Holy shit you guys are fucked.
This seems to be happening everywhere – the whole political spectrum adopting the far right’s positions because ‘it’s what gets votes’.
Yeah, that’s a depressing read
“So it turns out veering gradually to the right just isn’t working for us, it’s probably the ‘far left’s’ fault”
I knew as a European that the US only had two right wing parties, with the democratic party sitting firmly to the right of most of our centrist parties here, but this is just fucking stupid.
Veering gradually to the right doesn’t work, let’s move harder to the right than previous cycles
It’s happening here too woth the German SPD or Britain’s Labour (on migration at least)
Apparently (according to some random comment on Reddit where this was posted) this was written by an organization called “Third Way”, that doesn’t actually have influence in the government or either political party
We need to disband the United States. It is no longer salvageable. We need to disband the federal government entirely, grant every state full independence, and let the states form whatever new country or countries they want. By the time you get to a political system this dysfunctional, there is no saving it.
That’s what DOGE is in the process of doing.
Personally, I think the power vacuum created by the US Federal Government will be immediately filled by megacorporations and it’s going to be a long, hard, bloody fight to disentangle our entire continent from these gargantuan corporate parasites.
Yeah, we should also all just not show up for work and stop recognizing the dollar as a legitimate currency. I just can’t wish it into being.
US Americans will get the joy of sharing land borders with enemies because you know certain foreign powers would be all over that.
It’s called balkanization. And it may well happen.
I’m counting on it and working towards it in California.
