Like:
People should be allowed to exist
Social programs aren’t communism
The system isn’t working for the people
Edit:
I’ve changed my mind on this.
Let the DNC go full MAGA and when they lose, because they will lose, they get the heat and we can eject them forever. At least sit them in a corner.
Progressives, you fight if you want but I don’t believe the elections will be fair so it’s a win win for you.
I smell bullshit here, but yeah this is definitely a laundry list of exactly the stuff not to do. A moderate democrat is a Krysten Sinema and a Joe Manchin that exactly did a lot of damage to Democrats.
Also, owning up to democratic governance issues of large cities? Republicans run <20% of America’s top 50 cities, and 10% of the top 30. Republicans are not in the business of running large cities, so WTF would give credence to them on a topic they literally have no expertise or relevant track record in doing.
Has “having no expertise or relevant track record” on something ever stopped the GOP from trying to push through ideas? Seems pretty on-brand to me
agree, but these are supposed “democrats” who give in to the total horseshit GOP messaging. This is why I don’t think the original post’s content is real:
Image going to the tailgaiting party or to a southern baptist church and tell them about urban democrats’ failures. They won’t switch DEM. They’ll say that Faux News was right all along and will confirm all of their beliefs in the radical right wing propaganda.
Primary them all out.
Progressives absolutely can execute a takeover of the party, just like the far right did with the Tea Party movement. Primary out every blue MAGA Dem, get real progressives in their place.
A convent of dems in Virginia attempting to revive Jimmy Carter.
I’ve been saying this for a number of months now you got to kill this party. Abandon it completely. We got to start a new party. We got to start a labor party. A worker party. A party of the people. Whatever we want to call it, but whatever it’s called it’s a party that’s not for the big corporate donors that control the Democratic Party. The Democratic party basically since the late '70s but certainly since the '80s abandoned the people the peoples issues. They’re not coming back.
I kind of agree, but it needs to be a serious party that proves itself. I wont vote for some joke party that only runs in presidental elections. They need to put in the work and run (and win) in smaller more local elections before i would consider giving my vote.
Ideally, this party would fill in the gap the republicans left behind after dying.
For the foreseeable future though, i dont have a choice other than to vote dem
So where do we start? Voter registration? That’s easily changeable and easily verifiable information to confront them with.
After that I’m lost, but you give me a shepherd and I’ll be a sheep lol
The usa needs something like ranked choice before that becomes any way viable.
Some form of Ranked Choice Voting could save what democracy we have. The fact that the leadership of both parties oppose it so vociferously should be enough evidence for anyone to realize it.
“But I don’t want to believe we’re losing horribly, I’d rather believe we’re nearly winning!”
— Liberals
Well, why wouldn’t they oppose it? They stopped representing the people a while ago.
Winner take all didn’t save the whigs.
That’s not entirely true. We’ve had change-ups in which two parties are THE two parties before. Noteably, the GOP. But it MUST start at the local level. We can’t just wait until the presidential election and then complain about the voting system when all that’s left to be done is act as a spoiler candidate. We have to start now, in our own communities.
It’s also helpful when there is infighting among factions within one of the big parties. That’s one reason behind the success in getting the GOP off the ground so quickly: they made common cause with like-minded members and currently-sitting politicians of the older, underperforming Whig party. This is especially helpful when moving from local support to state and then federal level support, since you can put the apparatus of the old party to work for the new ideas (this obviously doesn’t mean absorb all the old party, just the ones that are already aligned with your mission).
The final piece is a central tenant of your platform that is both easy to understand and easy to justify simply based on morals and feels. The GOP had antislavery. We could have anti-oligarchy.
Edit: There is also another way, though: just take over the already existing party, like what the Tea Party did to the GOP. There are some pros to this, the biggest being the ability to utilize the first past the post voting system to greater advantage and ride on name recognition with the underinformed parts of the base. But there are also some big cons, mainly that the “new” party is still saddled with all the corruption and bullshit within the old party from the get-go and now have to convince voters that they are different and will change things from within. With how the top brass of the Democrats have been processing their loss in November, I’m of a mind that starting from scratch could be more beneficial. Especially since there were a lot of voters that just wanted “change”. I also don’t think that simply having a D next to your name on the ballot will work as well for progressives as having an R next to their names worked for the Tea Party.
The system of “parties” and “representation” is a complete joke that’s a root cause of this genocidal empire.
This is Concern Trolling at its finest
Edit: Dear Downvoters, I mean the group that gave these terrible ideas is clearly a Right Wing fucker Concern Trolling, not OP
Jesus Christ, is this real?
Big cities have problems, but they are still far better off than small town rural America. There isn’t some specific failure happening in large cities, you’re seeing the broad inevitable enshittification of Capitalism as a system.
Democrats must be some serious masochists, they would actually rather take the blame thenselves than admit capitalism is wrong.
DNC: we tried bootlicking billionaires and it didn’t work, what if we double down on bootlicking billionaires even harder.
It’s also reported here. This fits with the reports of complaining that Democratic Congresspeople have been doing about the progressive wing of the party wanting them to fight back against DOGE. They and party leadership may well be aiming to not just talk like it, but fully become the new Republican party, in hopes of having a stampede of “moderate” Republicans who aren’t happy with Trump come their way.
Also, big donors are angry at them, so I guess they’re trying to win those donors back.
It’s always about the dollars, not about the votes
Don’t forget: dollars are votes.
The top of the Democratic party basically wants to become the party of big money and try and steal this mantle from the Republicans.
Obviously, this isn’t going to work because the donors will just go for the party that will give them more, and they will always be the Republicans party.
This is basically just the campaign advisors trying to get as much money into the campaigns as possible, because they get a cut of every ad buy. They’re not interested in making things better for the people, just looking at their bottom line.
This is the Ratchet effect in action. Democrats did not heed the warnings about extremist right-wing propaganda spreading like wildfire. They now assume the voter basis is inherently fascist, and race to appease them.
Democrats are equally to blame for things, like the modern racist slave trade that is the “corrections” system. This puts them with the camp of critical-race-theory enemies. Many of them are transphobic as-fuck, which also puts them (partly) in the anti-gender camp.
I did not cite genocide and war-crimes in the above paragraph, because so many of you have made clear you are fine with it.
Centrists have made it clear, time and again, that they value middle-of-the-road fallacy above human lives, and they are willing to put those lives on the line to reifytheir trolley problem fetish. The centrist is someone who will literally say to Hitler “I will defend to the death your right to express your hate” and at the same time say to the trans woman “I will have to reduce your freedom of expression, because it is unpopular with my voter base, and we risk devolving into fascism”.
This is how we got here. These mfers come every 4 years begging for leftist and anarchist votes, because the alternative is fascism. But they were themselves fascist the whole time, only with a broader social support. Now they lose that broader social support because 10 years of relentless, ludicrously funded propaganda have shifted the discussion 100 years back, they now bend over backwards to earn that social support again. This in unscrupulous.
In turn, it lends legitimacy to neofascism and shifts the institutional landscape even further. We should not concede one inch to anyone trying to water down human rights for political gain. Human rights are to be taken as a whole, especially at the times that the most illiterate and unnuanced fragile white masculinity reclaims racism, homophobia, transphobia and ableism with renewed confidence, this is not the time to let them score popularity points.
In fact, we need to escalate. The more we trigger the fascist voter base the better. Destroy the common sense, of the equal-opportunity capitalism apologist social democrat.
Hard to believe this is real. If Democrats were saying not to do anything, I’d believe that. This post couldn’t pour it on thicker
It’s not exactly “real” in the sense that lawmakers are doing this, it’s more “real” in the sense that a lobby group were lobbying at their lobbying office where they work as lobbyists.
It’s from “Third Way”.
“So it turns out veering gradually to the right just isn’t working for us, it’s probably the ‘far left’s’ fault”
I knew as a European that the US only had two right wing parties, with the democratic party sitting firmly to the right of most of our centrist parties here, but this is just fucking stupid.
It’s happening here too woth the German SPD or Britain’s Labour (on migration at least)
Veering gradually to the right doesn’t work, let’s move harder to the right than previous cycles
So, is this finally time to give up the 1.5 party system and promote/vote independent? One party has fallen out of favor, another one is on track to do the same, now the first one joins in the nosedive…
When I suggested it last year, I was called a Russian troll who tries to win more votes for Trump or something. The fucker won anyway. What’s your excuse now?
Should be no excuse.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll keep voting dnc until a viable alternative emerges but I’m operating under the assumption that elections won’t be free or fair moving forward.
I spent 8 years on the project of harm reduction but the DNC, with all their “political acumen” couldn’t beat the biggest loser I’ve ever witnessed, donald trump. Now the only thing left to do is focus on local shit. To be fair I never even had a chance to contribute to a national election based on what state I’m in.
Either way I’m open to anything now. 8 years is too long to work on a project and turn up with nothing. The DNC should be ashamed.
Jesus does this country need to get off of the two party system. Unfortunately, the only way to do this is to get someone elected via the current system who’s willing buck the system that put them into power.
Not quite true. The two party system is an organic result of First Past The Post voting. Since voting is determined on the local level (as opposed to the federal level) it’ll be easier to change to Rank Choice and get somebody new elected that way.
Not “easy” mind you, but “easier”
This is the key component that the “vote third party” people keep missing.
“Blue MAGA is just made up, no one is actually like that you silly progressives!”
[The DNC is literally trying to copy MAGA’s ideas and rebrand it]
Look everyone! Words! in a meme! It has to be true! Get your pitchforks fellow leftists! The meme said we hunt tonight!
“I like money”
Everyone likes money.
“Ow my balls”
“Guys I figured it out! Republicans win so we just need to be Republicans! It’s fool proof!”
“Doesn’t that just mean Republicans are now dirty liberals?”
This is just the other half of the one party state
Looks like it to me.
Moderates have done nothing but sell their America out for a seat at an empty table. How could anything good come from people who are currently in charge of the shit show called the DNC?
Moderates have done a thousand times more good for America than progressives.
Last progressive president was who, maybe JFK, and he didn’t even finish a full term.
Moderates didn’t stop trump.
Moderates didn’t protect abortion.
Moderates didn’t stop bibi from bombing the shit out of Palestine.
Moderates didn’t secure the supreme court.
Moderates didn’t make trump regret jan 6th.
Moderates didn’t prevent what’s happening to Ukraine right now.
Moderates didn’t make net neutrality into law.
Moderates didn’t legalize weed.
Moderates didn’t think America could handle a primary.
Moderates didn’t think primaries should be fair.
The first two and last one moderates definitely tried but no one but moderates wanted to vote for Clinton so the conservatives got a majority in the SCOTUS and Trump got voted in the first time.
As for stopping Israel, no one in the world including the progressives have done anything meaningful there.
I’m just saying if moderates are the solution, and we’ve been leaning on moderates since 2016, how is the framework of our government falling apart?
Last election people knew they had a choice between Donald Trump and status quo and eighty million people decided they didn’t give a fuck what happened.
I’d say that is a pretty good reason why the government is falling apart.
So we agree that voters do not want status quo? Because that’s what moderates were offering.
Moderates were at the helm my dude. They marched out all their best friends. Dick Cheney. Liz Cheney. Mike Pence.
Biden is poster boy moderate. He even brought us famous legislation like:
Student loan debt being unforgiveable
War on drug shit to save us from the “super criminals”
I’m not saying moderates aren’t an important part of the GOP. Honestly they are sometime easier to be around. I just think they will appear pompous against a trump who is brilliantly an asshole and get creamed.
Last progressive president was who, maybe JFK, and he didn’t even finish a full term.
Yeah, I know. He really just quit half way through.
Oh, wait. He was ASSASSINATED.
Just because you’re right it doesn’t make me wrong.
We should really be discussing ways to take over the party, like the tea party did. I’ve been wondering why I’m so reluctant to register as a Democrat yet wanting to feel like a part of it I want to bend to my will
