I see your point but it’s not like they did it on purpose. Someone (multiple someones) fucked up big time with that old Nazi but the situation’s not really comparable imo.

One was some old dude that was a guest, the other one is literally threatening democratic systems. Mind you, there is at least one very prominent person in our government who has openly approved of this Nazi, sure would be a shame if he got any power in the next election.

Republicans don’t like Canada. All the speaking French and free healthcare and such.

I’ve been saying that since Elon came out as a lover of orange mushrooms, that Trump will somehow sell him birthright citizenship. But the theory thst the whole annex Canada shit solves that issue is intriguing.

Let’s not get too hasty there. Canada should focus on finding an extraditable offense for this Canadian citizen. I doubt the US will extradite him, but others may. It sounds like Canada could make it hard for elon to travel if they tried.

Why?

They already voted, leave them cook.

I believe by birthright. Iirc, his mother is Canadian

Talking about musk is how he really gets his power.

I think the only solution is to excommunicate him and deny any suggestion made by people who support him.

If it involves musk, it should be a no-go from the get-go.

Oh, Elon is a real Nazi alright. No doubt about that.

While reducing his sources of income will hurt him a little bit, unfortunately Starlink is very appealing to militaries and emergency services. Being able to access the internet is great for morale in the navy, and mission critical for plenty of emergency services. This is particularly true in Australia where we have vast unpopulated areas with very patchy phone coverage, let alone bandwidth for data services. I know some services are installing starlink as emergency backups for stations and in forward command vehicles. They’ll be paying the big bucks for Starlink.

It is legal. And I’m hoping they yank it.

I would be surprised if this sort of thing was possible and I’m pretty sure it’s not and im pretty sure it’s a good thing that it’s not

It isn’t in the US, but the US is not all countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk

Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States, which ruled that citizens of the United States may not be deprived of their citizenship involuntarily.[1][2][3] The U.S. government had attempted to revoke the citizenship of Beys Afroyim, a man born in Poland, because he had cast a vote in an Israeli election after becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. The Supreme Court decided that Afroyim’s right to retain his citizenship was guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. In so doing, the Court struck down a federal law mandating loss of U.S. citizenship for voting in a foreign election—thereby overruling one of its own precedents, Perez v. Brownell (1958), in which it had upheld loss of citizenship under similar circumstances less than a decade earlier.

EDIT: I haven’t previously read up on citizenship law for Canada, so I don’t know if this is missing relevant Canadian citizenship law, but a quick search suggests that Canadian law doesn’t permit for executive removal of citizenship either:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-29/page-3.html

Loss of Citizenship

Marginal note:No loss except as provided

7 A person who is a citizen shall not cease to be a citizen except in accordance with this Part or regulations made under paragraph 27(1)(j.1).

None of that section nor paragraph 27 looks like it provides for involuntary removal of Canadian citizenship.

That being said, there is a question of whether this is ordinary federal law or constitutional law. I don’t know how one determines that.

In the US, Afroyim v. Rusk found that the US Constitution disallowed removal of citizenship. There is a high bar to modify the US Constitution – a majority of both legislatures in a three-quarters supermajority of state legislatures need to approve of a constitutional amendment. This is considerably higher than the bar to pass ordinary federal law, which is just a simple majority in the House, Senate, and the President, or a two-thirds supermajority in both the House and Senate.

Canada’s constitutional situation is complicated. Canada started out following the UK model, where Parliament can change any law it wants to as easily as any other – there is no “higher law” like a constitution. At the time that Canada got split off from the UK at a constitutional level, some of Canadian law was decided to be part of the constitution and some not…but it was never defined exactly what law was and what wasn’t, so I understand that courts have been working that out ever since. The constitution isn’t simply a separate document, as in the US.

Also, different parts of Canada’s constitution have different bars for amendment.

So I don’t know for sure how strong this constraint is; it might be that the Canadian legislature could remove this bar as readily as they would a typical law.

EDIT2: Someone else pointed out the Shamima Begum case below, where the British executive removed someone’s citizenship. I followed that and commented on it when it happened, and it is definitely possible for the executive to strip a citizen’s citizenship in the UK; the law explicitly provides for it.

I was fairly concerned about this at the time it was in the news, because most other legal rights depend on citizenship. If you can remove someone’s citizenship, you can remove most of their other legal rights and protections.

Charlie Angus wrote about why he’s helping to push this through, giving valid legal reasons why it should be done. Seeing as he’s a current MP in Canada’s parliament I’ll believe him before I believe you.

https://charlieangus.substack.com/p/musk-doesnt-deserve-canadian-citizenship

“Oh no, how do we make sure Diet Hitler stays a Canadian citizen?”

Wtf is your thought process, my dude?

…Especially since the alternative could be just charging him with treason or something.

Sadly, it is. Britain did it a few years ago to some kid that joined IS. She held rights to a passport to a country that she had never been even visited and that was enough for the Home Office to yank her British one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum

A pretty tragic tale imo

It’s nearly impossible to relinquish your own citizenship, how many people is it gonna take to take someone else’s citizenship?

I figure that at some point you become so rich that you transcend nationality. That sounds complimentary, but I don’t mean it that way.

I mean it makes you an illegal alien wherever you might set foot. Pretoria, Ontario, Silicon Valley, Washington DC, Olympus Mons; GTFO. None of that belongs to you. Not any more. Persona non grata. You’ve taken so much that you owe literally everyone and should not be welcome anywhere.

Elon Musk’s mother is Canadian.

There is no legal precedent for revoking citizenship like this. Why is this any better than Trump’s push to revoke citizenship for immigrants that he doesn’t like? There are better ways to handle this.

166k + 1 now

The only example I know of where an online petition has had any effect is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Government_apology_and_pardon

Offline petitions may sometimes have more effect because the barrier to entry is higher there.

How often do petitions actually affect change?

Never. The government lists 3,319 total petitions and the most popular one has 387,487 signatures which is less than 1% of the population. The petition was to call an early election. I would hope the government doesn’t dissolve itself every time less than 1% of people upvote a post.

If anything its just another data mine for the political beliefs of potential dissidents. And before you say anything, yes, I am this much fun at parties as well

Por qué no los dos?

Why do a lot of you do this nonsense. You’re swinging for the fences and play right into the hands of the right when you put all your effort into comments like “he can be tried for treason” just swing lower and stop the dramatics. He can be tried for being a piece of shit. He can be tried for all the hormone therapy he’s done. He can be tried for being a billionaire and still banging only 4s

There is precedent to revoke his citizenship.

In the 1980s, there was another extremist who used his international media platform to spew hate and disinformation. His name was Ernst Zundel. He continually laughed at Canada’s laws against hate speech. He was ultimately jailed and then deported from our country.

(FYI Charlie Angus is a Member of Parliament in Canada.)

https://charlieangus.substack.com/p/musk-doesnt-deserve-canadian-citizenship

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