- No server operator needs to federate with you.
- No server operator needs to tolerate things they don’t want on their instance.
- No user of an instance needs to personally curate their own extensive never ending blocklist of users and channels they don’t want to see.
Quit your pseudo-intellectual whining and choose what instance(s) work for you. If you think regularly interacting with shit content somehow helps you stay out of an echo chamber then go ahead and make a second account on those garbage instances full of hateful people. Then you can read both the decent servers and the trash ones and be the fedora wearing ackshually right fair and balanced uber nerd you always wanted to be.
Edit: The huge number of upvotes on this post compared to the low numbers on the whiney imposers’ posts is proof of exactly where this community places its priorities.
Isn’t this a case of take your own advice?
Many instances have already defederated lots of stuff. If you feel strongly about that shouldn’t you migrate there over asking other instances to do the same thing? Seems like if he wanted to he would have here by now.
All just feel like fediverse problems and IMO the action should be take ~2 weeks off line and then evaluate there all the shit lands and decide. In thedude’s shoes, I would have already pulled the plug on this as way to much hassle to get into the middle of. Props to him for not.
Right. OP should find a safe space and stop “whining”
Where am I?
How did I get here?
This is not my beautiful reddit.
If you think regularly interacting with shit content somehow helps you stay out of an echo chamber then go ahead and make a second account on those garbage instances full of hateful people.
So Beehaw has defederated from your home instance, are you implying that Beehaw is the “garbage instances full of hateful people”? Or are you saying that sh.itjust.works is and you tip your fedora to them for recognising it?
Defederation is a powerful tool which will no doubt be abused, especially with lemmy in it’s infancy. I just hope that it isn’t abused to the point of completely fracturing the lemmyverse, further confusing new users until they just give up and make an account on the “meaverse” (or whatever facebook endup calling it)
Whinging about whinging. The spirit of Reddit lives on.
“The Spirit of Reddit”
Nailed it.
That’s fucking hideous, thank you.
What the hell is up with the right thumb?
AI is going on.
What is that?
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We’re already at peak reddit replacement if we have whining in the comments about the contents of another post whining about users. I feel so at home here.
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“interacting with shit content” but I want to see the most controversial instance. I want to see some wild shit. I’m curious of what the bad boys have to say.
Just make an account there then?
No-no, you misunderstand, I want the circus to come to me.
This. I love the circus. I open all the shitty instances often just to keep myself entertained. 😊 We don’t even have to pay for it.
Seriously, I’ve been here like two weeks, and I got a basic grasp about federated instances in a couple days. People keep bitching in posts and comments.
Just host your own god damn instance for your hot takes.
There is a lot of spite in your comment bro.
Yeah, so?
Jesus wasn’t a carpenter either. He was the son of a carpenter and that more likely translates better to day laborer. It was a reflection of his very humble origins. Being the son of a man in a trade (like a carpenter) would have put him more middle class.
Jesus and his father were likely stone workers, not carpenters. The translations got jumbled up along the way.
There historically was a stone quarry about a mile from where Jesus lived as a child. That area also wasn’t home to a lot of trees.
There is also a lot of house and stone work parables in the his teachings, and references to corner stones multiple times.
Jesus was a stone worker, not a wood worker. His name was also Yeshua, or “Joshua” as we know it today.
Who says that the person you replied to named themselves after that Jesus?
You feelin’ alright, man? Maybe get something to eat.
big “I am very badass” vibes
“…b-b-buh-but muh fReE sPeEcH!!1”
-idiots who don’t understand the 1st amendment only protects speech from the government, not individuals or corporations and it definitely doesn’t protect them from the consequences of their words (never mind the fact that it only applies to one country)
There is a common misunderstanding. First of all, this is a Canadian instance. There is no American constitution ruling over it. Second, free speech is not limited to the American constitution, or to governments. It is a concept that is related to people’s ability to express themselves, not necessarily in relation to a governmental power.
Freedom of speech as a concept, sure, but the first amendment only applies to the US government.
Broadly speaking, here’s a list of countries and their relative levels of freedom of speech: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-freedom-of-speech
That’s what I said though. Idk who mentioned the first amendment.
I was just making fun of people who bring it up when it’s totally irrelevant, on a Lemmy hosted in Canuckistan.
Still, free speech can be pursued despite the unavailability of a first amendment. I myself do not like being restricted in what I can say, so if I am limited, I will try to fight this limitation, whether I am sponsored by daddy Obama’s freedom drones or not. Now, if I went around waving a print of the first amendment that would indeed be ridiculous, especially being in Europe where it’s not a concern of governments or the people in general.
Sure, freedom of speech can be pursued anywhere, to varying degrees of risk.
Canada or Norway? Sure, you’ll probably be fine!
Russia or China? Depends on what you are expressing.
Lol you genuinely believe Canada has anything resembling free speech? Because I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you
With the right VPN your chances increase infinitely. :)
Are you implying that because the concept freedom of speech exists everyone is inherently required to follow it? What point are you trying to make??
No. I’m saying that the presence or absence of the first amendment does not preclude the pursuit, or lack thereof, of free speech. I’m saying that free speech can be perfectly pursued or restricted in the absence of the american government, and that the first amendment is simply a statement for Americans, by Americans, on what free speech means in terms of government regulation.
asks people to quit whining
whines
Anyway, I don’t really care about defederation enough to switch instances. But even if I did, you can’t deny that it’s annoying. When Lemmy introduces some nice way of migrating to other instances with userdata intact, then your rant will make sense. Without that, I don’t think it’s wrong if people complain.
Most people complaining have two weeks of user data…
I’d like to point out that most people on both sides of the defederation debate are like that. And this instance has been up for months with only LemmyGrad blocked
The instance that works for me, sadly, is the instance that works on Jerboa and hasn’t defederated with any other instances.
Which one is that?
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You’re right. That is sad. Move along now.
People want to have everything in one place and they bitch and whine when everything in one place ends up getting under control of people who are shitty.
Defederating is a needed part to maintain no party keeps too much control and ruins it for everyone. Remember why most of us left reddit for here? The ability for communities to defederate others will hopefully prevent the shit that happened.
Too far in either direction is bad. If everything completely separate was so great, then there would be no need for federation at all: but actually building a community and creating areas that feel alive is tough to do that way. People don’t want to individually manage connecting to random separate servers for each community, and if you didn’t connect to the right random server maybe you never even find the community you would have contributed to in positive ways.
Getting rid of hateful stuff is good, in my opinion even though some people will muddy the waters it’s really not that hard to determine what constitutes “hateful stuff”. But there’s also going overboard. “OMG, this server allows open user signups and some random dude signed up and created an unpleasant community. DEFEDERATE THE WHOLE SERVER IMMEDIATELY! IMMEDIATELY!!!”
Maybe a better solution is to have servers publish lists of new communities but not federate them to other servers right away. Maybe they need to reach a certain age and (possibly) be subject to some sort of approval process. That will give the administrator of the server a chance to recognize and deal with the problems before it starts to spread out across the federation. Of course, if someone just lets horrible stuff fester on their server and is unresponsive then by all means it should be defederated.
Actually defederated as it works here means one party has way more power than in centralized Reddit.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/511746
It ruins it for anyone who is not deeply in agreement with the admins.
It’s admins and groupthink over users. And zero stability or discoverability. Friction with little to gain unless you’re in authoritarian lockstep
Completely agree, this whole entitled attitude about “we left reddit because censoreship hurr durr, now u do same thing, you have to do what we tell you” is really annoying…
Nobody is censoring you, you are free to join and visit whatever instances you want and watch their content… You can even host your own instance where you federate with whoever you want, you have free access to the code… But nobody is forced to host ANY content they don’t want on the server THEY themselves pay for…
we left reddit because censoreship hurr durr
The people leaving Reddit because of censorship did so long ago. These dissatisfied/censored people have a new home anyway… They can view child porn, people being brutally tortured/murdered, and make all the threats of violence they want on Twitter now. They just have to be careful not to insult the, “free speech absolutist” dictator or he’ll have them banned.
The mass migration today is because of dissatisfaction with Reddit’s decision to end 3rd party apps and specifically, the way in which they handled it. The dishonesty, the heavy-handed dictator-like seizure of protesting communities, the complete disregard for accessibility/moderation tools, etc.
To claim that people are leaving Reddit “because of censorship” isn’t just missing the point, it’s flat out wrong.
They went to the cesspit voat and that went under like a turd. I wonder where they all went after that, probably back to Reddit or Discord.
Lemmy is the first Reddit alternative most recent refugees have tried out, but it is clear that many existing Lemmy users do not want their platform to grow.
“Quit your Whining” then proceeds to whine.
“Quit your Whining” then proceeds to whine.
Ackshually it was “quit the pseudointellectual whining” 😁
It’s a paradox. If people around you are whining, you are somehow banned from speaking up and saying “stop”, as that is also whining. Truly, no one can crack this nut
Hi from my new self hosted instance!
