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This is even more preposterous when you realize trump’s boys are presently organizing Florida into the cocaine/meth distribution point for Latin America. They have a mob boss for a dad. Mobsters like the money drugs bring in. Expect trump to make ALL drugs illegal again - even medical marijuana. Mobsters make lots more money off illegal drugs than legal ones (except for the mob owned pharmaceutical companies - I think we’ve all seen their pricing in action… $400 dollars for a drug that costs $5 to make (looking at YOU, insulin).
Pardoning Ulbricht is the incredibly thin silver lining of Trump’s presidency. These drug war advocates talk like they really believe this problem can be solved with criminal justice, meanwhile they defund harm reduction education and make healthcare inaccessible. It’s diabolical.
Ulbricht was a sack of shit. He tried to hire several hitmen to kill agents investigating his stuff. He isn’t someone you want to get behind.
He tried to hire several
hitmenfederal agents to kill agents investigating his stuff.In Ross’ defense people should defend themselves from violent prohibitionists who lock encage, torture, and murder people.
Prohibitionists are the true sacks of shit. Endlessly profiting from drugs and violence.
Dude he hired FBI agents whom he thought were hitmen. If he knew they were Feds he would not have done it.
I believe in lifting prohibitions on drugs. But that doesn’t make people like Ross stand up guys. He is genuine sack of human shit.
…prohibiting the sale of child pornography, weapons, and drugs. But I see you’re neatly setting some of these aside.
The war on drugs is not ethical and the very last people I will get behind are law enforcement. The case against Ulbricht was a tissue of lies and fabrication.
I had never heard of him or the Silk Road. I just looked it up and it seems like there was some benefit to creating a place where people could find drugs without the dangerous human encounters that can happen during these sales but it also said that the site was used to trade in illegal weapons, hacking tools and tutorials, hit men for hire and other unlawful goods and services. Doesn’t sound like much of a silver lining to me. More like an aluminum lining.
hit men for hire
There were no hitmen for hire on silk road.
Would you trade in weapons or hacking tools? Those are societal problems and locking up a single person makes literally zero difference to that problem. The reality is that there are now many competing sites offering the same items and worse. The opioid crisis in America was created by literally one family, the Sackler’s, why aren’t they in prison? This is a justice system that behaves like a banana republic.
Your agreement could be used for the crime of mass shootings. It’s a societal problem, what’s the use in locking up one person?
I think if it’s true, he should be locked up AND the Sacklers right next to him.
This is a criminal justice system where penalties scale with skin colour and inversely with wealth. They got pissy with Ulbricht due to the sheer scale of the manhunt required to get one person, a vast sum was spent that could have been spent on healthcare and harm reduction. They don’t actually care about the damage that drugs do or rehabilitation, this is about punishment. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions, except wealthy white people.
I agree.
‘criminal justice’ would be cool; we should try it sometime. closest I’ve seen was pinned on some italian dude in new york.
And yet no more than 2% of the drug problem is entering through Canada illegally, apparently. The bulk is smuggled in by regular citizens via regular channels. Funny that.
My source is Leejah Miller.
Did this stupid mother fucker really refer to the Prime Minister of Canada as “governor”? Can’t tell if pushing the 51st state bullshit or he’s just that fucking dumb!
It’s the new “we’ll build a wall, and mexico will pay for it” - a clause so dumb that people will complain about that, unknowingly tugging “normalcy” a step in that direction.
He thinks speaking diminutively to people automatically puts him in a position of power over them
It’s an insecurity issue common with bullying
I wish people would start responding by referring to him as “washed up reality TV personality Trump”, or even better, “convinced felon Trump”
It’s great because unlike “Governor Trudeau”, it’s actually true
He has been for a while now, which is actually a violation of the US’ nato obligations. But who care anymore, the US is no longer an ally.
Edit: it also violates a ton of border treaties, and half a doze international agreements the US has benefited from for a long time. But just with NATO:
Key points of the treaty
- The parties agree to settle disputes peacefully
- The parties agree to refrain from using force in a way that goes against the United Nations’ goals
- The parties agree to consider an attack on one of them as an attack on all of them
- The parties agree to consult about threats and defense matters
- The parties agree to safeguard the freedom, common heritage, and civilization of their peoples
- The parties agree to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area
Threatening Canada violates all of these and then some.
And Trudeau called him “a special American, […] Donald” :D
Trudeau should call him Mayor, or even better, “Convicted Rapist and Felon”.
He’s more subtle. He’s been calling him just “Donald”.
Thanks, I missed that.
I’m sure that’s been intentional.
Canada at least has a “Governor-General” who is appointed by the British monarch.
Edit: like several other commonwealth states, Canada is a completely separate country from the United Kingdom. It just happens, by law, that King Charles III is the king of all of them.
That’s not what “completely separate” means…
Look, when the King of Canada, or his Governor General, perform official acts for Canada, they use the Great Seal of Canada, not the Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It’s totally different, I promise.
When talking about what Charles III is doing in relation to Canada in his position a king, we’re supposed to refer to him as the monarch of Canada, we just don’t tend to do it because he doesn’t live here full time.
Rule by the man with the thickest fingers is no basis for a system of governance!
Both, he honestly believes that he will take Canada and Trudeau will be demoted to a governor somehow.
Carpet bomb them with inaccuracies and they’ll spend too much time correcting you to keep up.
I agree that Trump doesn’t care about the fentanyl issue. If he did, he’d be ending the war on drugs.
I would like to point out, Ross Ulbricht was sentenced for running a website, to double life plus 40 years in prison without possibility of parole. It was a bullshit sentence that came at the end of a trial of questionable integrity. The fact that neither Obama or Biden pardoned him is one more embarrassment for the Democrats.
He was not sentenced for running a website, holy shit man. He paid to have people killed and in at least one case believed it happened (it didn’t, the hitmen were all scammers or law enforcement)
Let’s not paint a rosy picture of Ross Ulbrecht here.
Woah, woah woah. You need to check you facts on this one. He was not sentenced for trying to have people killed. He was publicly accused of murder for hire, but not charged. He was sentenced for running a website and the judge wanted to “make an example”
By all means link me a source that shows he was convicted of murder for hire if you think you can find one, but I can already tell you that you can’t.
“Sir I did not bring in tons of cocaine across the border, I only drove a boat”. Is essentially your argument.
Now I’m not against what the silk road was initially supposed to be, but this guy took it to a whole new level of fucked.
I also like the “questionable integrity” claim because the trial had a fuck load of dead to rights evidence.
Supporters cant claim he didn’t do it, because he sure as fuck did, and was working on fleeing the country.
Does this bit not seem questionable?
I think the argument is more, “Sir, I’m the manager at this Walmart and I have no idea what these people were exchanging amongst themselves in the back aisle.”
Either way, double life + 40 years is a bullshit sentence for what this is.
Sure, youre the owner of walmart though, with regulations.
And then you call next door to find a hitman to get rid of some of your problems, and get caught trying to murder people with money.
Shit, Ross is a mfing hero in my eyes. Fuck prohibition.
Ross did hire hit men though…
Fucker tried to murder other people, including the roommates of his employees.
Fentanyl was prohibited on Ulbricht’s website.
Can you source this? I can’t find any links that talk about fentanyl sales being banned. The site sold thousands of drugs/gold/bitcoin/cash/ids/hacking tools, on and on:
Banning a popular drug seems unlikely. Testing to make sure people weren’t selling it anyway certainly never happened.
Anything to “harm or defraud”. It was not a popular drug - it was fraudulently added to other drugs, making a greater profit at the expense of customer lives. Middlemen and even some end users were expected to purchase testing kits from third parties.
For what it’s worth, banning fentanyl is still common.
Your wiki link doesn’t list fentanyl in that section:
In March 2013, the site had 10,000 products for sale by vendors, 70% of which were drugs.[19][79] Drugs were grouped under the headings stimulants, psychedelics, prescription, precursors, other, opioids, ecstasy, dissociatives, and steroids/PEDs.[15][14][80][81] Fake driver’s licenses were also offered for sale.[82] The site’s terms of service prohibited the sale of certain items. When the Silk Road marketplace first began, the creator and administrators instituted terms of service that prohibited the sale of anything whose purpose was to “harm or defraud”.[14][83] This included child pornography, stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of any type.
The bans look pretty explicit, and fentanyl isn’t one of them. Fentanyl is a wildly powerful opioid, which silk road seemed glad to sell. The site specifically allowed the sale of thousands of opiates of varying potency.
Your second link discusses how known fentanyl sellers were traced to silk road drug sellers bitcoin wallets:
This is likely not a new trend, and numerous vendors possibly also deal with other drug substances alongside fentanyl. Vendor clusters with Bitcoin payments to fentanyl suppliers have also been identified interacting with dark web marketplaces that have since gone offline, such as Silk Road and Hydra.
These links dont support that fentanyl was directly banned on Silk road. They actually show that fentanyl was likely commonly sold on Silk road in one form or another.
Doubt
Ok show me a screenshot of fentanyl for sale there
You want a screenshot of the site that doesn’t exist?
Yes, like the other reply
I love that out minister Joly flat out told CNN, and I’m paraphrasing, “if we are being honest America is a net exporter of immigrants and drugs to Canada. Don’t lie and say this is about drugs or immigrants it isn’t. It’s about destroying the Canadian economy so you can annex us for everything that makes us one of the most desired countries in the world to live.”
Seriously fuck America
America is also the number one consumer of drugs worldwide.
But I bet you won’t see any of that money flowing to help that side of the problem.
Just more boots to the door and guns in your faces while we take all your shit and auction it off while you’re locked up. Its sick.
Oh man, talk about a head fuck. Sending drugs/immigrants to Canada and guns/gangs to Mexico. We(usa) are rightly fucked as a society, over half of us probably feel a weird joy of being such a cluster fuck of a trailerpark neighbor. The shit we prop up, including narcissistic actions being praised, makes me glad that I’m seeing so many countries pushing back on importing more “American culture” and going by their own light.
I think the “seriously fuck america” is a little much and vague. Even if immigrants and drugs from Mexico were previously perceived wrongly (at least in amplitude and hysteria), I never thought “fuck Mexico”. I think people are kinda forgetting that even if the coaches have changed, this is still America’s playbook. They’re not going to play unless they make us pay. We’ve been targeting smaller countries and doing the same bullshit with a clean smile to the world for decades. Look at the ACA, now everyone HAS to have insurance (doesn’t help affordability, and sometimes costs more), and they’ve tacked on a yearly fine if you don’t comply while basically allowing the government to subsidize the insurance ceos.
We’re a publicly traded country now though instead of being privately cut-throat. Stock holders want their continued profits and they see bigger gains in bigger countries.
also, mexico’s cartel problem MAY have been started, or at least seriously ramped up, by the CIA-it’s exactly their SOP, and it got seriously bad like right after a teacher’s strike in oaxaca got juuuust a little too much popular support, started looking really communist.
Still can’t make sense of that one outside massive corruption
All drugs should be legal and regulated.
holy shit I can’t believe I’m agreeing with a .ml user about something
Not all .ml are the same 😇
True, but none of them can say bitch
I’m new here, does .ml users have a special reputation or what?
Yes, they do.
Tankies on .ml
tankies are everywhere
I honestly never heard the term “tankie” before a few days ago. What is it? Extremist communists?
Tankies are fans of authoritarianism masquerading as communism. The term comes from the famous Tiananmen Square image.
Thanks!
The term comes from the famous Tiananmen Square image.
This is wrong. It seems like libs trying to retrofit their sinophobia?
The term comes from the USSR invasion of Hungary.
That’s pretty much it, yeah. It’s worth noting, there is a lot of animosity on here, particularly from .world, for .ml and .hexbear instances. Both are heavily communist, far left communities, and get a bad rep because they are known for not accommodating liberal or other not as left viewpoints. This was particularly heated around the election with disagreements about voting for liberals vs protest voting.
Fwiw I’m a strong believer if we are to organize against literal fascism we will need the liberal and the farther left to find enough common ground to work together. It’s a…work in progress on here.
I would have organized against Harris because that would have been easier. I’m not looking to get shot by brown shirts in the street.
db0 (my instance and @[email protected]’ ) is a leftist anarchist instance and I’d say the animosity towards tankies is even stronger here.
it’s not anything to do with liberals vs leftists it’s that they handwave genocide and other atrocities as “western propaganda” and worship lennin and mao and stalin and north korea and so on and so forth.
Tankies and libs are both authoriatians supporting different but co-dependent empires.
They’re basically the same thing.
Decriminalised use/possession, for sure.
But I always think the libertarian “just legalise all the drugs” is just odd.
Regulated? So you mean preventing people from taking really stupid shit? Sounds great sign me up lol
People gotta accept there are trade-offs to living in a society, and one of those is that there’s a limit to which we allow each other to get high. Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)
You wanna take shit like meth? Cool, go out to the woods and never use socialised medicine where workers are at risk from people on such drugs, or just randoms walking down the street.
I don’t think taking hard drugs should put you in prison, or even give you a criminal record, but actually legalising the distribution? Nah. Go live in the woods/hills away from everyone else.
I don’t know if Meth use should constitute total exile from society, especially if you are trying to get off of it. Its a highly addictive drug and usually people use it because of a state of being deprived and desperate of any joy in life.
This is a misunderstanding, apologies. I’m saying if you’re advocating complete legalisation of distribution of every single drug out there, then I’m using hyperbole to point out that this is too much “freedom to” without considering “freedom from”.
I think all drug use should be decriminalised.
Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)
The first such drug that comes to my mind is alcohol. Its distribution was also criminalized in the past, eventually leading to an increase in organized crime.
I don’t really fully agree with the person you are responding too, but the level of aggression brought about from Meth use is significantly more potent and consistent compared to Alcohol, which is a little more variable depending on the person using it.
There is of course nuance to this, and I don’t claim to be an expert on classifying drugs. Though, I don’t reckon I need to try to hard to argue that there are drugs far worse than alcohol out there. I’m simply stating a blanket “all drugs should be legal” is overkill.
Alcohol certainly is ripe for abuse, also.
Drug criminalization pushes use into the shadows so that the most visible use is from those who are very loud and disruptive with it. I know you think you’re righteous with your “i don’t reckon i need to try to(sic) hard to argue” but you are operating on assumptions about substances borne of ignorance.
I’m not arguing for criminalisation of use and posession.
Just making distribution of all drugs legal is overkill, in my opinion
I also want to point out that when whites are addicts, they go after the dealers. When blacks are addicted, they go after the users
To be clear, he doesn’t care about illegals either, except as a talking point to get Murcans fired up.
https://www.newsweek.com/immigrant-deportations-removals-trump-biden-obama-compared-chart-2026835
Fentanyl is so bad it is prohibied even on deep web illegal marketplaces. Do some research before spreading lies. A lot of stuff was not allowed on the silk road.
Where are the lies in the OP that I spread?
It’s technically the truth but it’s misleading. Silk road wasn’t that bad
Does trump know that it’s HIS border agency that catches stuff going in?
…pardoned…Ross Ulbricht…
Good. He should have been free the whole time.
https://reason.com/2018/07/25/ross-ulbrichts-murder-for-hire-charges-d/
Yea, there are so many other guys, that he pardoned, which are way worse…
The giy who got caught trying to hire a hitman?
No. The guy who was never convicted of that charge, which was dropped, and those agents were convicted of massive corruption. That guy.
https://reason.com/2018/07/25/ross-ulbrichts-murder-for-hire-charges-d/
I’m not reading anything from Reason, or any ither Libertarian rag
Your choice, I won’t force you to read it, keep spreading misinformation all you want. It’s there for any who actually want to learn about his case and find out those charges were dropped and the agents convicted themselves.
I love that the left loves the war on drugs just to own the conservatives. The two are more alike than they think.
Before pardon: Free Ross
Wrong president does it: Wait akshully the corrupt cops that were convicted were right even though he was acquitted of those charges for lack of evidence!
Fucking mind boggling. Like fuck me I don’t like the annoying orange either but this was the right move, he never should have been in jail (at all, end the drug war, but…) especially not “for life” for the crime of running a website.
And free fucking Snowden while we’re here, goddamn.
First time hearing that I like the war on drugs that I’ve so violently despised my entire life to fulfill a petty political agenda.
I’m glad we have you here to correctly interpret what we think and believe! I bet you have many more similar gold nuggets that you can pull out of your colon.
The left opposes the state and its violent prohibition.
The libs, tankies, fascists, etal who support prohibition… They’re right-wing.
For the whole drug exchange platform fair enough it might have beeneoverkill. But we are still talking about a guy who was up for killing people on his way. Not sure they are the best for society
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Facts.
