Instead of leaving Xitter, they left Mastodon. Proton’s trend is not inspiring confidence and this feels like another step backwards.
I believe I’ll need to move to mailbox.org with custom domains.
Good bye privacy.
Just another nail in the coffin that hopefully convinces those who thought Proton was maybe still okay after CEO licking Trumps toes.
Makes me glad that I procrastinated on switching over, I guess I’ll just ride out my current NordVPN subscription and switch over to Mullvad?
Almost makes me afraid to ask the community, what exactly is wrong with Nord? 😅
They’ve done other things, but the reason I don’t use Nord is that they had a breach where an attacker had physical access to one of their servers, and they tried to sweep it under the rug rather than notify users.
Fair cop; I guess there’s always risks in renting space in a data centre (physical intrusion), and that response definitely isn’t the best.
Not enough for me to be a deal breaker currently, but will definitely switch when my plan expires.
Yeah, I don’t blame Nord themselves for the breach, but not notifying users was bad
Unless you never want to torrent, I would say to not use mullvad, you can’t forward a port with them (same with NordVPN). There are plenty of VPNs that don’t log and allow port forwarding. I use AirVPN.
I’ve not encountered any issues filling up my NAS with torrented Linux ISOs via NordVPN?
My priority for a VPN has just been no logging and the ability to ‘travel’ internationally… so if there the case, no need to rush out and switch then?
https://lemm.ee/post/56692320/18526252
A connection has to be established. That is only possible if one side has an open port.
So you can basically not connect to other people with closed ports, which reduces your available pool of people to connect to.
As long as there are enough people with open ports for you, you and the torrent ecosystem will be fine. But when nobody or very few people have open ports, torrenting simply doesn’t work.
Yeah, speeds are far greater with port forwarding. But, if you’re not in a hurry, I suppose it’s nbd
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Honest, stupid question: Why exactly is this such a big deal to so many of you? (I don’t use Mastodon.)
To me, the federated social network (Fediverse, which Mastodon is one portal into) offers some distinct advantages for pluralism. No single entity can control the whole discourse. When you don’t agree with your mods, you can go elsewhere without losing your connections with people: just move to a different instance.
Furthermore it’s not controlled by corporations, so there is no incentive of trying to spread things like the plague just to get you addicted and make as much money.
In practice the design of the Fediverse leaves some problems open (notably, moving between servers comes at a cost to the online identity you built, and getting bootstrapped if you don’t have real-life connections who are interested is more difficult) and it even creates some interesting problems of its own. But all in all it’s better already than the mono-idea, “there is one norm everyone should stick to” culture we see on commercial offerings.
Proton recently got shot in the foot when one of their board members said some stuff that made it sound like he was somehow not certain that fascists are bad for privacy. The guy responded and clarified and made some good points…and still very clearly did not realize or did not feel it important to mention or even imply that fascists are very definitely bad for privacy. This is still post-record-scratch for Proton.
So leaving what’s basically the only social media of the future, such as it is, and sticking it out in the garbage heaps, makes two data points that make a line that goes in the direction of “definitely going to enshittify”. It’s possible this could be wrong, because two data points isn’t huge, but these are also things that were extremely easy to get right, and require an oddly large amount of effort to fuck up like they have.
Thanks for the reply! I was only aware of the CEO’s X comments regarding Trump’s politics. I JUST moved away from Google and have been quite happy with Proton, especially Mail and Pass.
I was an apologist for Proton during the whole Andy Yen commentary mess, but this is a really sus choice for Proton to be making.
All that matters under capitalism is growth. I wonder if the thinking here is that Proton has already captured all the geek/privacy enthusiast crowd that it’s going to, and Andy Yen’s social fuck-up basically killed any future expansion in that space, so this is part of a pivot to new markets and abandonment of areas they know they aren’t going to win back.
If so, I’d expect to see Proton making expanded ad buys targeting preppers, libertarians, sov-cit types and other “I’m being watched!!” kooks.
Same. I’ll be shopping around for something else when my sub comes up.
They’re focusing on platforms that allow them to censor discussion.
Yup, no sorry. Only bots left in reddit, have fun!
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What do you mean?
They moderate their own subreddit and can censor things. There has been some drama about them deleting some posts and stuff, and in general, them moderating their subreddit makes it so that you’re less likely to express what you really feel
I believe
Thanks for the explanation
Anyone know any good vpn alternatives with port forwarding?
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I’ll second this. While it doesn’t have a track record like mullvad, it doesn’t have a bad track record so far and I have not had any problems with it since buying.
Can you even use Reddit if you’re running Proton’s VPN? I know Reddit has been actively blocking other VPNs (eg Mullvad) for some time.
Yes they have a stealth feature that is helpful for detecting a VPN
I was wondering the same
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This is a genuine question : how Proton stopping using Mastodon for communication make them bad ?
Because they are exclusively on the Nazi social media now. You do the math.
Because it sends a message that they do not support community-driven projects and will instead support large, corporate social media.
It would not have meant anything if they were never on Mastodon in the first place.
They’re supporting commercialized, walled-garden social media platforms instead of ones that are publicly accessible
My understanding is that their users were calling them to account pretty heavily on Mastodon. This is a way for them to curtail that (and save face) without answering to the users there over the CEO’s pro-Republican/pro-Trump statements. They can’t control the narrative on Mastodon so they’re running away.
This is despite the fact that a lot of privacy focused potential customers aren’t using Twitter or Bluesky or Threads. In fact, the userbase on Mastodon that followed their account was larger than that of both Bluesky and Threads.
Makes sense, thanks a lot !
so the social media manager has time to clean the toilets in the afternoon
If you’re looking to shake up your email provider in the wake of this, I highly recommend getting a custom domain name, whatever provider you choose. Cloudflare sells domains at cost. Get a not-embarrasing
.comof your own, and then you can move email providers in future without losing continuity. Proton allows exporting.emlfiles, which you can then import into your next provider. Or just keep in cold storage and declare email bankruptcy. Once you have a custom domain, you can use unique emails for all your services by setting up a catchall address. This will at least impede credential stuffing attacks, and let you know who sold/leaked your address if you do get spam.I personally left Proton a month or so ago after the last bit of drama, in part out of principle, but also because their offering is just really expensive for my use case: I just want email, on a budget, with reasonable privacy. Plus I was tired of not having IMAP support and being locked into their clients. Moved to a Zoho business account (for now) and have been happy for the $12/yr. I already had a domain name, but they typically run <$20/year too.
Would I need to do anything with the custom domain beyond registering it for this to work with an email provider?
Because this sounds like a great migration plan: set up a custom domain, add it to protonmail, update emails, export data, and then switch providers.
I’m just a bit clueless on the whole setting up a custom domain part.
You don’t have to do anything else with the domain, it’ll work fine for email only.
You could add it to Proton, take your time to migrate all your accounts, then dip. Or you could just go straight to a new provider with the domain, and take your time transitioning accounts to the custom domain over time that way. Assuming Proton’s free offering is sufficient, you can always keep it around and set up forwarding to your custom domain.
Regarding domain name setup itself, Proton should provide steps for how to do it correctly, but I found them to be a bit fiddly (might have improved, this was a few years ago) - when I moved to Zoho I found it really easier. If you’re using Cloudflare for the domain registration, Zoho can basically do it all automatically (click a few links link and accept the proposed changes).
Thanks! I registered a domain with cloudflare and that was easy enough. I’ll read up on some alternative providers and see how this all shakes out.
Get an embarrassing domain, then give that one out to all the shitty stores that ask you for an email. Bonus points if it will make people extremely uncomfortable.
I’m sorry but these domain names are really funny
I attempted to get a similar one in .kids but it got blocked. Sad.
