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The response to Donald Trump’s policy initiatives, the fate of Ukraine, and the issue of massive investment and record debt are on German voters’ minds two weeks after the federal election.
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The actual news is that DW parrots the German governments opinion. Which isn’t really news either. I dare say that the population in Germany has been “somewhat ambivalent” about the benevolence of US foreign politics for quite a while.
Germany was very positive and trusting of Obama and the US during that time and we started regaining some trust under Biden, but it definitely never has been the same after Trump first took office
The drone murders didn’t find much sympathy here but thanks to most of our media’s, uh… “transatlantic engagement” the topic didn’t get too much publicity.
Nor should they.
At this point, the US should get the Russia and North Korea treatment, complete segregation from the civilized world.
“Rogue state”
But that would interrupt our coffee supply and–
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Actually, never mind. Do it.Nah, Europe should grow closer and stronger, but we should keep normal relations with the US for now in case Trump steps down in four years. Hurting our own economy to prove a point would be stupid
If Trump or Musk do something against Germany it would be a baller move to retaliate by seizing the Tesla battery factory in Berlin tho. Just slap a VW logo on
No matter who will gain power in the US after Trump, that country’s political system as it is cannot be trusted anymore. It brought that destructive madman to power not only once, but twice. There are zero safeguards against this happening again and again and again.
Also it’s not very likely for Trump nor his vile party to allow another regime change. They attempted a coup already when Trump lost the election last time. Even though Trump himself is as dumb as a bucket of shit, in the Republican Party, there are people who are smart enough to have learned lessons from the failed coup. The kind of lessons they used to draw up “Project 2025”. Even if Trump drops dead before his nominal term is over, his equally vile vice president will take over, and I doubt he has any greater desire than Trump himself to ever relinquish power. A not insignificant part of the US population supports the ideology of those vile people. And a phenomenon very well known in Germany from its infamous fascist past, a large, silent majority just tagging along for fear of retribution, is already manifesting itself in the US. As a last farewell, we therefore should export the nice German word “Mitläufer” to the USA. Free of charge. They are going to need it later.
If Trump or Musk do something against Germany
They already have. Musk’s propaganda platform formerly known as Twitter (and other US “social media” platforms) is supporting enemies of the German state (the AfD), and Both Musk and Trump’s second in command have been openly endorsing them before the election. Including a likely illegal campaign contribution by Musk.
Seizing Musk’s Tesla factory is a good idea, but I wouldn’t give it to VW, they might learn even more lessons on how to reduce their products’ quality while simultaneously inflating their prices.
that country’s political system as it is cannot be trusted anymore. It brought that destructive madman to power not only once, but twice. There are zero safeguards against this happening again and again and again.
Worse, there’ll be insufficient interest to change the system to put those safeguards in place even if Democrats regain power, to say nothing of the Constitutional Amendments likely necessary to effectively do so and the lack of State legislatures supporting such even if Congress manages 51% of a vote for things other than Constitutional Amendments. That might be enough for an impeachment, but just barely 51% isn’t very reassuring for the rest of the world.
It is not proving a point, it is a simple matter of risk management. There will eventually be “normal” relationships, like the ones we have with Angola or the Dominican republic. The one we had been having was not “normal” it was based on an excess of trust, and there is not any more left.
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Merkel, in the other hand, kneecapped Germany and Europe at her refusal to see the Russian threat and to acknowledge US’ inherent instability (as anything in the US can change at a whim of a sitting president)
I miss G.W., I thought he would be the worst person ever in power.
Remember the innocent days when we thought W was incredibly dumb?
He was dumb. And a war criminal. The current mess doesn’t change that.
No but it does diffuse it a bit.
It’s like holding the land speed record in 1911.
Yes, but he can’t be called “incredibly dumb” anymore, because Trump made an entirely different level of stupidity not only credible, but bitter reality.
I think Trump is smarter than Bush.
Pretty sure that Bush never would have boasted about his ability to memorize “Person, woman, man, camera, TV” or called himself a “stable genius”. The guy is Dunning-Krugering along and listening to vile gut feelings.
Bush wasn’t as much of a narcissist
Every president is the worst person in power during their time.
G.W. started normalizing a lot of the shit that we see today, like brazen disregard for the truth.
If you miss G.W. Bush then you learned nothing.
We should have started this process right after 9/11 honestly. If not sooner.
Most Americans feel the same way about their own country
Understandable. I cannot think of less trustworthy people than each of the people put into power for this administration.
I have dual citizenship and I will be staying in America. It ain’t perfect but neither is Germany.
Certainly seems like you’ve declared for a side.
I mean all of my family and friends are here.
Other than like great great grandparents that own rural bakeries and are like 107 nobody is in Germany.
If shit really hits the fan we might dip. My little sister is thinking about going there for college but she’s not comfortable with the amount of German she knows. She’s conversationally sufficient but she doesn’t speak it well enough for academic purposes according to my mother.
I have no idea because my mom didn’t teach me or my older brother any German lol.
Picking up a new language is not that difficult if you are still young, know the basics and then live in an environment that speaks this language.
One good thing that might come out of all of this, is that USA people might stop being so annoying about how great and perfect their country supposedly is whenever you talk to them. Every time i hear someone chanting “USA, USA” i fell like whacking them with a bat.
I always tell people it’s overrated and shit for years and Hollywood is selling lies.
Hollywood has brainwashed people for decades about the US, army and police.
Unfortunately, the problem is that the Americans who think America is better than everyone else and are always shouting it from the rooftops, are also mostly the people who think Trump is great and will approve of just about anything he does uncritically.
A lot of us are super fucking embarrassed about the way our country behaves and vote against it every time we can, it’s just unfortunately a very difficult battle and the way our elections works makes it a bit easier for Republicans to win at the national scale, generally.
It’s a death cult.
There’s a good chance trump is going to try to help Putin by invading Ukraine from the west. I can’t see a better reason to move 35000 troops from Germany to Hungary.
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As for Germany they are undermining the fight for Ukrainian borders because of their love of Russian oil ad gas.
WTF? Are you making that shit up or are you that misinformed?
There have been growing reports of industrial pressure to have the fuel form part of an agreement to encourage Russia which is capitulation.
You can always find someone pressuring for anything. I’m not a huge fan of the incoming government coalition but there’s no doubt of their support for Ukraine. They are currently negotiating how far they will extend the support, nobody is talking about reducing it - at least not in the negotiating parties.
The only thing called into question is the extent of monetary support for Ukrainian refugees. They currently have a similar status to EU citizens, there are talks to reduce that status to the same level as other refugees. We’ll see what the results of the negotiations will be.
I do prefer the incoming leader to the existing one, despite the rise of the right the leadershop change is welcome. It has been mentioned a few times, the telegraph have covered it as well as economics and political podcasters. Good to knsow it isnt likely but a cause for concern none the less.
To be honest, I’m surprised they still did after 2016.
Everybody who trusts the United States, say “Aye!”
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Anybody here? …body here?
No surprise really. This is from 2019 https://www.reuters.com/article/world/nicht-gut-nearly-85-percent-of-germans-see-us-german-ties-as-negative-idUSKCN1PX1C6/
Otoh, things have rather dramatically turned around on at least two fronts:
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