Reminder of the Liberal’s record on proportional representation: “Liberals never wanted to “make every vote count.”… Electoral reform has become a bonbon offered at election. As far back as 1919, Liberals have campaigned on the promise of proportional representation”
Mark Carney’s position on electoral reform: “open”. However…
- He’s an economist, and the mathematics pairs quiet nicely with the mathematics of electoral systems.
- His public persona is that he is intelligent. But when asked specifically about electoral reform and proportional representation, he says he’s uncertain and open to exploring options? Why would someone as smart as him be uncertain about ensuring every vote counts?
Only the Greens/NDP consistently support proportional representation.
Why would someone as smart as him be uncertain about ensuring every vote counts?
Because it’s an absolute waste of political capital to make happen if there isn’t a strong movement fighting for it.
Even if there is no intention to improve our democracy, it’s a really low bar to just agree that every vote should count…
I agree, but I’m not the one you need to convince, it’s Terry on Facebook who spends 2 hours a day complaining about bike lanes and vegans.
Oh, Terry will be super happy when PR gives him the chance to give a couple of seats to Bernier, giving him a much bigger platform to share his opinions!
It’s okay, we’re just having a conversation. Stakes aren’t high.
If the stakes arent high then for the love of God stop posting about electoral reform so often.
In the conversation between you and me, where we already agree (mostly) on electoral reform, the stakes aren’t high.
But otherwise, yes, the stakes are high.
I apologize if my discussions on proportional representation are annoying, that’s not the intention. You can choose to ignore me or even block me if you feel inclined.
You’ve posted that same comment 5 times in the past few hours, that’s not how you convince people.
Anytime literally anything happens, they’re there to spin it to a PR pitch.
Like, I don’t disagree that it’s critical. I want it. FPTP is idiotic.
But the relentless single-mindedness is to the point where I don’t even need to check the username anymore. The fediverse is a small enough space that one person (or small group sharing an account?) can really saturate a channel.
- How is it a spin, when the results of the electoral system literally affect every facet of our lives?
- Perhaps the messaging isn’t aimed towards individuals like yourself.
- If you’re really bothered, the block function is available.
I suppose, but it certainly draws attention to the movement. And on occasion discussion does come about, in which case that is the opportunity to convince people.
And in the past 2 weeks the [email protected] has grown by 60%, so clearly something I’m doing is working.
85.9% – that rounds to 86% not 85%
I’m so glad I donated and voted. I’ve voted liberal since Trudeau’s first run, and prior to that I voted NDP (my local NPD candidate was awesome, and I knew him through charity work – I would have voted any party to support that guy).
I’m thrilled with this news.
I don’t dislike Freeland, but she would have been a disaster. I liked her in the debate, but I hated her campaign (in an alternative universe where Trudeau never ran, she’d have been great). She can’t brush off the last 9 years of her life – she was helping steer the LPC bus, there’s no getting around that. I’m glad she drove it into a fence and forced this vote though.
Gould seemed good but I don’t think she would ever convert any Conservative voters, or even be a clear choice above NDP.
I actually loved Baylis, I thought he killed the debate doing by far the best. I would support him.
Freeland draws too much Krasnov hate. Agreed.
Yes.
I mentioned in another comment I don’t think she would be Trump’s foil, I think she would be his punching bag. She can take a punch, she seems damn tough, but I don’t think that’s what the country needs right now.
I had no idea who Mark Carney was until I saw his interview with Jon Stewart. I thought the interview went pretty well but he’s obviously not as good at interviews as Jon. Definitely seems like an outsider and didn’t talk like a politician.
In that interview, I was surprised to find he seemed like a human being. And his laugh seemed to come from inside him. PP on the other hand seems to get his laughter delivered by FedEx.
Yeah, I found his laughing was pretty real. He was laughing as if he was watching and enjoying the show.
My two cents are that this strong is reaction to Trump and Poilievre. Liberals want a candidate that will stand up for Canada, and now is not the time to experiment. (Sadly, as a left-leaning Canadian, I agree).
Just have to add: Carney will be Canada’s first ever PM (although he’s currently PM-designate) to be from the Northwest Territories. We have a Northern PM. I love this for us.
That would be me. Sorry. Energy in the room was exciting. A lot of us had the nostalgia factor.
NDP supporter here … but I’ve always enjoyed Chretien as a solid leader with a goofy side. It’s amazing for me because I’m indigenous and Chretien was the leading edge of wanting to remove native rights in the 70s as minister of indian affairs … but I still love the guy because he good at heart and I looked up to him in the 90s as prime minister. Lots of respect for him for leading Canada.
Saying all that though … I’m still an NDPer
The increased Liberal momentum has boosted the NDP’s chance to win my riding substantially so I’m definitely grateful for that.
Carney seems like he’s open to electoral reform so hopefully this is the last FPTP election.
Not Canadian, no dog in this race, but also in a FPTP government so yeah, fingers crossed you guys girls and everything around it get a proportional system.
Thank you! Any system is better than FPTP. I’m hoping we go MMP as we then get the best of both worlds.
Reminder of the Liberal’s record on proportional representation: “Liberals never wanted to “make every vote count.”… Electoral reform has become a bonbon offered at election. As far back as 1919, Liberals have campaigned on the promise of proportional representation”
I doubt he’ll support PR. The Liberal Party benefits from FPTP more than any other party. They stand the most to lose from a PR system.
We need to stop seeing PR as anything except citizen’s having the most to gain under PR.
There’s no good reason for PR or nothing. RCV or even top 2 runoff (not as good as RCV, imo) can be legitimately preferred.
See: A Simple Guide to Electoral Systems. It’s still a work in progress, but lays out a good framework for discussing electoral systems.
Carney seems like he’s open to electoral reform
So was Trudeau. I hope you’re right, but it feels like a longshot.
Carney said big changes. If he wins the general election it’s definitely a mandate for big changes.
Only if it’s a majority government.
Carney isn’t going to go for MMP the same way the NDP isn’t going to go for ranked ballot.It will be interesting for sure to see what kind of government emerges from the next general election. Could even be in 6 weeks from now.
The Liberals and Conservatives aren’t going to do election reform. First past the post is a massive benefit to both of them.
I loved his joke about burning down the White House lol
“don’t make us come down there again!”
Wow 86% that is an incredible win
At this moment in time, he’s the right man to lead the country. I’m glad to see the party united behind him.
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Looks like Canada is going to have a future after all!
touch wood
Calling this a landslide is underselling it - wow.
Jaw dropped, I think the expectation was 55-65.
The fact that anyone voted for the finance minister of a deeply unpopular PM is more surprising to me. Freeland has a lot for gall thinking she could sign those cheques for years, then jump off the train as it’s flying off the cliff and assume the Trudeau stink wouldn’t follow her. It’s literally that the other candidates were nobodies that she ended up in second.
I kinda think she was there to make Carney’s glow brighter.
When an election is called vote how you want, but beware. The trolls are already out in force trying to spread misinformation and lies.
As Canadians we need to be diligent and fact check everything. Our elections need to remain fair and we will be tested every step of the way
Look. Even if you’re a lefty and think the Liberals are too far right, the alternative is WAY worse and our system requires strategic voting In certain districts where the left vote is split.
I recommend sites like votewell.ca to figure out if you need to vote strategically.
Piggybacking off this comment to repost a comment I’ve put elsewhere. I’m new to Lemmy and understand its not as dynamic as reddit due to the smaller userbase, but figure some people might not be reading all comments.
With that outta the way:
- Received a government pension at 31, then raised the retirement age on hard-working Canadians
- Defined marriage as a union between ‘one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others’ (in front of his gay parent)
- Visited and courted far-right extremist groups
- Said Indigenous Peoples needed to learn the value of hard work more than they needed compensation for residential schools
- Worked to bring American-style, anti-union laws to Canada
- Said he’d use the notwithstanding clause, overriding Canadians’ rights
- Committed to free votes, allowing his MPs to bring forward anti-abortion legislation
Timbit Trump has had a terrible history as MP, I don’t want to see him as PM.
I mean the scariest part to me is that he doesn’t have a single accomplishment. His resume is blank
Yea, he’s had a career as a politician. Maybe he’s giving his constituency what they want, but doesn’t seem to align with Canadian values in my book
I missed the sub name and was momentarily hopeful the left in the US was going to get some kind of meaningful leadership.
How silly of me.
Insane. Now let’s see to what extent that translates to the general public.
It seems really promising. Even my mother who voted MAGA in America really likes Carney. He is absolutely swaying many conservatives with how comically overqualified he is for the position.
I was taken aback by this random person’s statement, interviewed by the CBC about this. They were like “Well we all know that Poilievre is good, but Carney just seems better.” 🥹
I liked Chretien’s: “From one old guy to another, stop this nonsense!”
Epic.
Incredible energy at 91 y/o!
