Let’s get a count of all of the votes that were tossed due to targeted voter registration purges.
I also would like to see that.
“69.16% of Americans are okay with fascism” isn’t really a resounding defense of the health of American democracy in the face of fascism, though.
I think 100%. Both these parties don’t work for middle class. Exceptions are Bernie and AOC. Without a third party pressure, we cannot win this oligarch war.
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You can’t just blame a group of people for anything though, it’s not like geographic boundaries determine morality.
Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?
And unfortunately, until that changes the next elections are going to be the same. Trump’s approval is down, but it’s still higher than it was at this point his last term.
You can’t just blame a group of people for anything though, it’s not like geographic boundaries determine morality.
Culture, in large part, determines morality, and culture is heavily influenced by geopolitical boundaries.
As an American myself, I have no interest in #notallAmericans defenses. We made our fucking bed, we can lie in it.
Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?
The same reason why it was close in 2020, and in 2016. The same reason why the Tea Party in 2010 took off, why Americans gave Bush Jr. a second term in '04, why the GOP in the 90s saw significant success in running towards fascism. The same reason why Reagan got two terms with overwhelming popularity, why Nixon was elected on a platform of disdain for minorities, why Goldwater was a hit in the GOP and took the South from the Dems in 1964 for the first time since the Civil War.
We are a broken nation which has never managed to fully reckon with the deeply rooted authoritarian character within our culture. Trump is just the first time when a major party has given full voice to that inner fascist cretin, and it found that the base liked nothing better.
No excuses, no crisis staring us in the face, no illusions of a Truly Democratic Leader waved about. A creature whose prior term displayed the full range of incompetence and malice towards everything from leftists to Christianity, and whose campaign rhetoric promised nothing more than to get worse in its conduct if elected again. Trump was the final presentation of the question, unambiguous, “Do you, Americans, want fascism?” A mirror looking us flat in the fucking face, and daring us to speak.
And our response was an overwhelming “Sure, why not.”
More people didn’t vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.
Fucking idiots.
There are reasons other than abstaining from voting that prevent people from doing so (being homeless, not having ID, etc.). However, fuck voting in a US election - democracy is an illusion.
This is democracy manifest!
Hands off my penush!
I voted for Harris. But let’s be honest. There were two choices on the ballot in 2016, 2020, and 2024:
- Fascism
- Slightly delayed fascism.
I’m glad you voted, but i don’t agree those were the two options.
I think it was a functioning government implementing more progressive policies vs. absolute shit-spewing catastrophic chaos.
And as that has already been borne out in the first, what, thirty seconds? Those people who refused to prevent it can get fucked.
Those really were the options though.
When Biden won in 2020, I distinctly remember saying, “Trump is going to win in 2024.” I saw it clearly. It wasn’t hard to predict.
Trump didn’t come from nowhere. Learn history. What we are experiencing now is not unique. Whenever wealth inequality gets too great, people demand action. And if those in power aren’t willing to move the needle and improve the lot of the working class, then they will turn to demagogues. This happens again and again in sclerotic democracies. It happened in Rome. It happened in ancient Greece. It happened in Revolutionary France. People turn to demagogues who promise to ram change through if they are not taken care of. Yes, it’s fucking obvious that Trump isn’t going to actually help the people. That’s the definition of a demagogue. Yet demagogues crop up again and again whenever democracies face the challenges we are facing now.
Democrats have proven themselves, time and time again, to not be willing to actually move the needle. Imagine if Biden had showed even half of Trump’s willpower, except for good rather than evil. Think of where we would be now.
This is why the choice was “fascism” or “slightly delayed fascism.” Kamala wasn’t going to meaningfully move the needle either. If she had won in 2024, Trump or another fascist demagogue would have won in 2028.
Merely holding the line is not a viable strategy. If you are running against fascism, and you refuse to do anything to meaningfully fight it when you win, you are responsible for getting that fascist elected.
Trump is responsible for his own sins. But Democrats are the reason he is currently in the White House. He’s doing the evil, but they are the ones who put him there.
I think you’re right, and it really pisses me off to think about because the republicans were almost guaranteed to win no matter which candidate they put forward. Yet they picked Trump the traitor.
For the best really, if they had chosen a more competent candidate they could be doing a lot more damage with far less bad press and diplomatic fallout
Damn, I have tried at least a dozen times to write comments expressing that idea, and I still haven’t managed to phrase it that well. I think I’m just gonna start quoting you instead.
Yeah that’s not how I see it. If we cheated like the republiQans, packed the courts with 15-year old fanatics for us, redrew all the maps against court orders, plowed billions into vote suppression and propaganda, we could end up with enough Democrats in Congress to get big things done.
We’d have done it fraudulently, as the republiQans have, but we’d all be better off.
Instead, we try to win honestly with well reasoned arguments and we lose by 1-3% every fucking time and have to govern with incompetent Qanuts who bought their seat with daddy’s chicken plant money.
Then a new crop of supergeniuses who just got out of polisci 201 light up a phattie and decide this is all part of the plan, man and we’re not gonna participate in this crooked show!
By the time they’re old enough and experienced enough to laugh at that, it’s been 20 years more of unrelenting Christian Nationalism and Gross Corrupt Incompetence.
I’m all for the Democrats Fixing It All (again) but saying they’re fascism-lite is stupid. We failed to elect them because we sat at home, and now it’s all on fire. As we’d spent the last year explaining it would.
Don’t insult people. Do not assume people are young or inexperienced. I’ve been voting for Democrats since 2008. And they’ve failed again and again. I fully understand why people would just throw their hands up and refuse to vote for the traitors. Don’t belittle people who are simply sick of the bullshit and decide “a pox on both your houses!” It’s not youthful inexperience, it’s disillusionment and exhaustion. People are fucking done with corporate dems. And honestly, the best long term strategy might be just to let the entire Democratic Party be burned to ashes.
We’re not the first country in modern times to fall to right wing autocrats. And one common thing? It’s not the captured opposition nominally liberal party that actually drives the autocrats out in the end. Usually the equivalent of the Democratic Party needs to be completely eliminated before the autocrats can be defeated. They suck up all the oxygen and prevent a real opposition party from forming. Typically, a popular front needs to be formed that completely sidelines and crushes the traditional liberal party and the autocrat.
Realistically, we are probably going to have to let the Democratic Party go the way of the Whigs. There’s really no other realistic way we end up defeating MAGAism. A feckless and useless opposition party is often far worse than no opposition party at all.
If we cheated like the republiQans, packed the courts with 15-year old fanatics for us, redrew all the maps against court orders, plowed billions into vote suppression and propaganda, we could end up with enough Democrats in Congress to get big things done.
And they still wouldn’t, because they don’t want to. Not with the neoliberals in charge of the party.
The one thing – the one thing – that would’ve saved American democracy would’ve been the Democratic Party giving the middle finger to their crony-capitalist major donors and deciding to follow Sanders/Warren/AOC/etc. and meaningfully help the working class instead. But that was precisely the one thing that they abjectly refused to do.
And they still wouldn’t, because they don’t want to. Not with the neoliberals in charge of the party.
So - serious question - would you want to? Cheat.
Empty votes plus Trump votes still mean the majority of US was for, or at least indifferent about getting a fascist as a president.
I mean this is wrong for many reasons, not the least of which is all the road blocks put in place to dissuade people to vote. Look into how some places didn’t put prepaid postage on mail-in votes, meaning people had to pay for the luxury to vote. Look at how the election is held the evening of a work day, and many people are unable to leave their jobs to go vote without risking their livelihood. Look at how people are randomly unregistered to vote without their knowledge (this happens to me every year, despite actively voting even in local elections and living in the same place.) Look at how they offered a boatload of money to people who voted Republican, despite how that has always been illegal.
You may say that these people are still at fault, and to some degree I agree with you, but if you haven’t been so poor that you couldn’t eat, couldn’t keep your utilities on, couldn’t drive anywhere extra because you have no money for gas or public transit, then you have no idea where a large portion of the would-be eligible voters are coming from.
On top of this, the Democrats didn’t focus at all on how they were going to make poor people’s lives better. While the Republicans straight up lied, they heavily covered how Trump would supposedly lift the working class out of poverty.
I live quite comfortably now, but I haven’t always, and a huge part of what my fellow Democrats miss is just how desperate it makes you not having your daily needs met. Poor folks fall for the lies because the only thing they have a privilege of caring about is getting food on the table.
Sure, there are the bigots and the racists, and if someone voted R because of that, they are 100% the problem. But I’m pretty sure the majority of people who voted R or didn’t vote were just busy trying to survive and hopeful that the lies Trump told would change their lives forever.
No.
The attack on public education paid its dividends. A huge part of that 36% likely didn’t even know where, when, or how to vote. Never underestimate the stupidity of fellow humans, it’s a capacity we have in abundance.
Maybe those empty votes were all the non-existent and dead people stealing/defrauding social security like they’ve been saying!
/s
If you didn’t vote then you voted for the bad guy.
If you didn’t vote you are just as bad as the MAGAniacs.
If you didn’t vote you voted for Trump.
If you didn’t vote you are responsible for the current situation.
But what if you didn’t vote because of the genocide in Palestine?
Then you allowed that genocide to make way for the riviera of the middle east (sponsored by the USA)
If people who stayed home in 2024 voted for Trump’s genocide, then logically, those who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Biden’s genocide. These things go both ways.
Why do you support genocide?
See how ridiculous this is?
Which genocide was Biden doing?
The same genocide that Trump is doing. In fact, Biden’s death toll in Gaza is far, far higher than Trump’s so far.
Huh. Can you send me the legislation, executive orders or policy decisions that Biden made ordering the systematic murder, displacement, or erasure of a complete group of people?
@WoodScientist: “Well, there’s genocide Trump MAGA and genocide, that’s not got much genocide in it.”
I don’t support it, but when you know both parties are going to support it, you at least go and vote for the one that won’t fuck everything else up and won’t put the genocide on a faster track than it already is.
It’s a really simple trolly problem. On one set of tracks was Palestine. On the second was Palestine , and American democracy.
Not voting was saying fuck Palestine, just as much as voting for Harris.
The US has never been a democracy, at best it was arguably a halfway decent representative republic at one time but if so that was before anyone here was born
If people who stayed home in 2024 voted for Trump’s genocide, then logically, those who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Biden’s genocide. These things go both ways.
Yes.
We do not escape the implications of our choices.
Does not voting in America somehow stop genocides in Palestine?
Yes.
How?
I’ve already answered your question.
This one made me laugh. It’s kind of got a British humor thing going.
Edit: Am I the only one who’s going to upvote this man? Watch him for awhile, he’s a legend.
Don’t bother, the person is just a raging moron or troll. Either way, it’s not worth engaging.
Cannot disagree more and this kind of rhetoric is not likely to sway non voters.
Who cares? Fuck them. They need to feel shame.
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i voted (harris obv) but they apparently had issues with my vote and didnt count it until literally after trump won :)
You ran a shit candidate and lost, take the L and be better
If you DID vote for Harris, you voted for slightly delayed fascism. You didn’t vote for democracy, you just voted for slightly delayed fascism. I know, I voted for her. Democracy wasn’t on the ballot.
Well it was, but Cornell West was a snowball in hell
Also! They literally let someone hand out 250 million dollars, openly, and our “courts” gave it the go-ahead - even if it goes against some of the longest standing legal precedent regarding buying votes (done with booze back in the day).
This election wasn’t a thumb on the scale, it was the oligarchs mushroom-stamping humanity.
Also, these oligarchs don’t realize that they’re going to be robbed just like the rest of us when the time comes. If they don’t do exactly what trump and putin want, they’ll either fall out of window or have to spend the rest of their lives hiding. These will be remembered as the good ol’ days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_since_2022
CGP Grey’s video about the Keys to Power comes to mind.
It’s a big gamble, but if they payoff is big enough, someone might go for it.
Percentages may be more digestable, but it really makes me curious about the total vote counts of each category now:P
Of the approximately 240,000,000 Americans who were eligible to vote:
156,302,318 voted in 2024
Trump won 77,284,118 votes
Harris won 74,999,166
4,019,034 voted other
Also would go further into pointing out… of those 31.74% that did vote for it… it’s not a mandate for things that he didn’t run on… or even ran against.
Say trump took a shit ton of credit for promising to never cut social security and medicaid. When his mind changes from what he promised, the “mandate” arguement is even worse.
In a hypothetical world where lets say someone did run, promised a lot of things, and won with 98% of the vote, so that we could say they have a mandate. The mandate still only would apply to the things they actually claimed they were going to do on the campaign trail. If they are doing the opposite of what they promised the mandate is completely bullshit even in that scenerio.
I am curious how many of those 36% that didn’t vote wanted to but couldn’t due to gerrymandering and other bullshit.
That’s 90 million people. Even if 33% couldn’t vote due to ratfucking, that’s still 60 million who didn’t care and could’ve made a difference.
…do you know what gerrymandering is?
In context they seem to mean disenfranchised.
There were lawsuits happening for years around all that. The r’s won a ton of those lawsuits.
Well they’d still be able to vote in a gerrymandered district, but as far as voter suppression, it was at an all time high, in terms of ratfucking attempts, but it’s still small compared to the overall population of non-voters.
Among those eligible to vote who say they did not cast a ballot, 42% say they wish they had voted while 57% say they do not.
So. Don’t give a damn til their shit blows up in real time.
Holy hell, 42%???
They’re real and out there unfortunately.
I have a good friend who believed his life didn’t change at all if he voted or who was in office. His house was given to him. His job is stable. He has very little needs and never left his small town.
He didn’t start connecting how politics impacted him until I lived with him during the pandemic. It was then he started to understand more and vote.
He’s smart otherwise and a great person who is kind to others. But he isn’t the type to look deeply into anything that isn’t immediately around him.
I feel like a lot of people need that 1:1 coaching or they legitimately cannot connect the dots in the big picture. Or maybe they need physical community and to be surrounded by people like me who can see big picture stuff easily.
It’s like people who can’t imagine objects in their head (aphantasia) but for the inability to connect abstract big picture concepts. Whatever that is called —that’s what these non-voters fuck it who cares people have.
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Hitler also got roughly the same third of votes…
Apathy will be the death of America as we knew it
Already is. I’ve had my funeral for Uncle Sam. Done my mourning. There’s nothing left but a homunculus in the vague shape of the flawed dream we once called the USA.
Because of Americans inability to get their fat asses off the couch and vote, the rest of the world has to suffer the consequences.
Mail on voting. Come on now.
Hey, only 36% of our fat asses. And we get to suffer too.
The 31% who love this insane turd gurgling they call leadership will also suffer, but they call it ‘winning’ instead.
… So fucking what?
“Ooh, he hasn’t got a mandate.” Yeah, know what he has got?
CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT. And no intention of ever giving it up.
(Yes, I know, don’t abandon hope, organise, and all that. But crap like this just reads like “it’ll obviously work out fine just wait it out” shit. Which famously Does Not Fucking Work)
Idk, I can respect where you’re coming from, but this meme feels more to me like a counter to people who are saying “Trump won, this is what America voted for, if you fight against his agenda you’re fighting against the will of the people” etc. type crap
Totally agreed that just hoping things will work out fine isn’t any kind of plan, but a reminder that the average human being doesn’t like what’s happening right now can help people feel a little less crazy when they’re staying informed about current events
What meme? This has been posted exactly one time, right here. That doesn’t make a meme.
But aren’t we though, in a way? A bunch of people looked at everything Trump and Project 2025 promised, and said, ‘meh, seems fine, I see no reason to vote against this.’ That means they either agreed with what those things were saying, or at least don’t mind them.
In other words, tacit support.
I think that undersells how uninformed most folks are, and how weak critical thinking skills are, on average. Too many people were credulous when trump said he didn’t know anything about project 2025, and many people currently getting deported believed they’d only deport “hardened criminals”. So I don’t think it’s even being fine with these terrible policies, I think a lot of people were simply ignorant.
The ignorance is by design of course, so I’m not trying to pin the blame solely on individuals: the disinformation landscape is a huge boost for right wing extremism, and of course the Democrats themselves just constantly shit the bed. The Dems aren’t Left enough to galvanize support from people who want real change in the system (so they say “fuck it” and either sit out, or become accelerationists), and even the policies they do tout that would help at the margins don’t get any attention - in part because they’re consistently bad at messaging, but also because nuanced, calm reasoning isn’t as attention grabbing as hate and fear.
And I think it should be obvious to anyone with eyes and two functional brain cells at this point that the Dems are the controlled opposition party.
That’s fair, good point
I don’t read it that way
Isn’t the image where trump does this greeting misleading? He never did that?
He may not have sieg heiled publicly, but do you really need proof that he is a fascist?
I moved here from reddit not to drown into another pit of misinformation thank you
Sounds like we need to run someone some of those 36% would be willing to vote for. Voting against the other isn’t working anymore.
No. The answer was even more centrists and shitting on progressives even harder. Don’t worry, it’ll definitely work next election, trust me.
Those that didn’t vote or couldn’t because of circumstances really showed him and harris that they are upset
