An enraged Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) again lashed out at Senate Democrats over what she called Friday evening an “inexplicable abdication.”
I have been thinking about this and im no longer sure this was a bad move. With what trump is doing now in tearing apart the government. It can be fought in the courts. With a shutdown he would have cart blanche to furlough anyone he wants and keep paying his insiders and the courts could not say boo because shutdown. Further he could say all bad effects are because of the democrats because shutdown. At least now the courts can fight it and the bad effects are all from his poor decisions.
Even if the right move was “give up and do what the Republicans want,” they still did a terrible job. House Democrats held the line and stuck their necks out, only to get blindsided, and Schumer shouldn’t have signaled that there’d be a fight right before he caved. The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing, and only a handful of people in the party seem to even be trying to do anything.
I can agree with the second part but the first part is just a phrasing to make it sound bad. I mean the move to use the republicans blunder against them sounds a lot better. I don’t really know what internal talk went with the democrats but I would not be surprised if it was somewhat like what we see online but with the membership with some saying we can’t go with anything they do on principle and others saying wait a second doing that will be overall worse.
You’re missing a fundamental truth here. They control the government. If they wanted to shut it down they could have done that. This bill was better for them than a straight up shut down.
There’s also the other problem which is if someone needs your votes on a bill to pass it then you should be able to negotiate things into said bill before you vote for it. That’s politics 101. Chuck Schumer has failed at the very fundamental aspect of politics here. He gave away his vote for nothing. Or as I suspect gave it away because he’s okay with everything in the bill because it’s what he wants as well.
It would have looked incredibly bad for them to shut it down. They are the party in control. Its their bill. Its not like shuttding down is way better its merely a win win for them. Its only the minority party where it makes a differnece. All previous cases where the presidency was not looking to simply tear apart the government a shutdown was bad for them but since it effectively does what trump is already doing it would not really matter much for him.
They very very very obviously don’t care if they look bad. I honestly don’t understand how you could have any other impression. They got what they wanted. Plain and simple. They made this bill so bad that it was worse than a government shutdown and Chuck Schumer still accepted it.
I mean I made my point but will expand. Under shutdown. They furlough anyone they want. They say any bad effects are from the shutdown (democrats). Courts are powerless to say who gets furloughed because its a shutdown (as opposed to unlawful firings). After shutdown they fire furloughed people because hey they got by without them during the shutdown (even though they really didn’t). They got what they want either way but since the government is the only one challenging the illegal behavior its in some ways better with the shutdown especially when they can blame dems for it. I honestly think the shudown is preferable for them as long as they can say its not their fault.
If a shutdown is such a win for trump, why weren’t republicans voting against cloture?
because they would look incredibly stupid. it was their bill. also in win win scenarios it does not really matter.
republicans do not care how stupid they look.
Yeah, remember when Moscow Mitch filibustered his own bill because Dems were in favor of it? Good times!
I’m glad someone is saying this.
While I understand people don’t want to give Trump any wins, choosing the shut the government down is the wrong hill to die on. Given the chaos that DOGE has caused, and the executive branch throwing around their power completely unchecked, shutting down the government would plunge america into chaos.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Trump had a plan to frame the government shutdown as “government inefficiency” and use it to grab much more executive power.
Let the Republicans take the blame for bring it all down.
Oh wait, you’re right. The Democrats would never blame them either.
I mean, does it really matter?
Even if the Democrats are blaming Trump for the shutdown, what do you think would be Trump’s next move after Congress refuses to fund the government?
Federal courts can still operate after government shutdown. While most of their funding comes from the Congress, they have their reserve funds and others sources like fees from court document filings.
they can operate but because of the shutdown employees have to be furloughed and they can choose anyone. when they fire someone it can be done without cause or break laws that can allow the courts to undo it but there will be little ability to undo a furlough that is because of a shutdown.
Why is she surprised? These Democrats are the people AOC endorsed.
It’s right there in the article.
We had an agreed upon plan, House took immense risk, then Senate turned around midway and destroyed it w/ a fear-based, inexplicable abdication.
That is what Democrats have always done. AOC endorsed these people. This is not a surprise to anyone who paid attention the last 20 years.
You’re blaming the wrong person, but it has reached the point where people need to seriously consider what the point of the Democratic Party is if they won’t even offer a token resistance.
AOC is there to offer the token resistance. The democrats are doing what they have always done; capitulate to the right because they too are bought and paid for by Republican donors.
Perhaps, but I don’t consider tearing down prominent leftists to be praxis.
Democrats are past cooked. I’m not sure it will.matter to primary these losers, I don’t think Dems will ever win a majority ever again.
And the consequences to them will be…???
if she thinks using made up words is going to stop me from uncovering the truth she is wrong
You’re telling on yourself. “She uses words I don’t know”.
they are made up liberal nonsense
Just out of curiosity, which words, specifically?
ineclipable abdiction
If you spelled them right then you’d see they are actual words. You could’ve even just copied and pasted them from the article. I appreciate that you tried to sound them out and spell them on your own, though.
the way theyre spelled doesnt matter because theyre not real words
It’s a parody account.
Not a very funny one though.
All words are made up
if god wanted us to use these made up words He would have put them in the bible
If Google had an English to Aramaic option I’d have dropped some fire right here
Well her ire is welcomed despite it being late as fuck
inexplicable? this is what they do. this is what they’ve done as long as I’ve been aware.
has this woman ever met a senate dem? this should shock exactly nobody. we all knew this was who they were. that’s why nobody voted for them-the fascists would do a coup, and they would just hand over power, so what would the point have been?
I honestly feel like they did it on purpose because they know the cuts are gonna hurt rural states more, which sucks if you’re not heartless. But hey buyer beware.
https://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/message-chuck
Also https://democracy.io/ is good for US citizens who want to voice their opinions to their congressional reps.
Chuck you fuckin fuck you. Always plenty of Democrats to give Republicans what they want, and then when the shoe is on the foot they pretend to be overpowered at every step. Ohh won’t someone not think of the Senate parlitarian. Fucking worthless sobs.
I can understand that some people become afraid of Nazis and bend the knee, but these people didn’t even put up a fight.
The are owned. They are responsible to what happens now. They are not for the people, they are for themselves.
Nice! adds The Heat to infinite “to watch” list 😁
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only if we’re going to get on that john brown timing we should go in with a better plan. not saying not to go in on that john brown timing. john brown and john g fee both did important things and i think they both were recuired to make forward progress and our current problem is we haven’t enough browns and we have too many fees
I’m waiting for the day that AOC is president and Lemmy starts painting her like Obama. Never good enough…
Contentment got us here.
Content with saying everyone is terrible and not having any shade of difference. Content with saying everything is shameful… content that everything is genocide. Content that everything is just as bad as anything…
Content with saying everyone is terrible and not having any shade of difference.
Content with so little difference. Content with a margin that never changes as centrists chase fascists to the right because they want to move right, with the pretext that they’ll gain republican voters by abandoning people they’ve always wanted to abandon.
Content with second worst to fascism.
I can dig the shift and the discontent. It’s a trend that is not okay. But I do not see Obama as evidence of the wrong thing. You do what you can and when you more or less call the last great democratic president a sell out you more or less sell out an entire generation just for talking points.
If you are saying that admin was second worst to fascism then you are telling everyone you live in hyperbole. Everything is fascism as at that point and thus fascism has no meaning any more. Everything is fascism everything is genocide and nothing has nuance… all presidents will kill you nothing matters and every vote is vote for genocide.
More non voters sat out the last election than those voted for trump. To repeat that… for the back seats…
People who noped out for “reasons” elected trump. They outnumbered actual trump voters. There were more non voting voters than actual trump voters….
So keep telling everyone how shitty it is and how you’d prefer a false equivalence compared to civic participation.
But I do not see Obama as evidence of the wrong thing
Obama would negotiate before he got to the table. It’s why the ACA started out as a Heritage Foundation proposal.
You do what you can and when you more or less call the last great democratic president a sell out you more or less sell out an entire generation just for talking points.
He was the last one who approached being good. All candidates since have been cynical “we’re second worst and you have to vote for us” candidates.
If you are saying that admin was second worst to fascism then you are telling everyone you live in hyperbole.
Obama was the last time centrists didn’t get the candidate they wanted. And unlike the progressives you hate, when centrists were faced with the prospect of not getting 100% of everything they wanted, they formed a PAC to get McCain elected.
People who noped out for “reasons” elected trump.
Have you ever considered not providing reasons? Have you considered that your voters expect things of you? That solidarity runs both ways? That touting the endorsement of dick cheney was a fucking mistake?
You got 100% of everything you wanted. Including being able to blame anyone to your left for the loss your garbage pro-genocide wing of the party worked so hard to earn. Moving to the right like your wing always does has been an abject failure in two of the past 3 elections. biden only won because he lied and pretended to want progressive policy like BBB. harris didn’t even bother lying. You’ve hit a wall. How long do you have to continue losing to fascists before you admit that moving to the right has failed? Or is fascism preferable to such an admission?
Contentment certainly got us here…
