I grew up listening to fundie christian parents babble at length how we were living in end times. And mocking them mercilessly (at first among my fiends, later to their faces) as often as possible.
Now look at us - on the brink of non-existence politically, environmentally, and civilizationally. Not sure that last one is a word.
If they were right I’m gonna have some 'splainin to do.
Dammit.
It’s been the “End Times” for the last 2000 years. They were full of shit then and they’re full of shit now.
Their whole death cult is predicated on the world ending in a violent fiery ocean of blood so that they, the only good people who won’t be damned to a burning torturous eternal punishment, will ascend to a paradise of everlasting Jonestown. It’s sheer insanity. Malicious, cruel, psychopathic insanity.
Depends who you’re talking about, but not necessarily. The Christian doctrine is that nobody is righteous, and that we don’t deserve to be with God because of that.
My denomination took that to it’s logical conclusion, that salvation is for everyone irrespective of their religious views.
So if someone doesn’t want to be with God, then they will be forced to be with Him? Does that mean Hitler is in heaven?
Pretty much, yeah.
Do you have any biblical backing for this viewpoint?
John 3:16. Salvation is by grace, not by works.
John 3:16 makes it clear that it’s “whoever believes in Him”
TBF this is the first time in 2000 years when we have billions of people warming up the planet and studies by actual scientists saying if we continue the way we are we have at most a couple of centuries left. Plenty of studies saying that when you know where to look.
I’m gonna need links. It’s been a while but last time I read the IPCC reports executive summary there was no such predictions and certainly not going out multiple centuries.
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/summary-for-policymakers/
I highly recommend the song Apocalypticism by Moon Walker
https://youtu.be/cnkH7_AA_AA?si=jscxnOYheXdCNLyq
Apocalypticism - a doctrine concerning an imminent end of the world and an ensuing general resurrection and final judgment
It’s more that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
“The world will hate you,” so you’re antisocial and hateful in preparation. They do hate me! It’s all true!
“There will be wars and rumors of wars,” so you vote for the defense hawks supporting the military complex. So many wars! It’s all true!
“They won’t even tolerate your views, they’ll try to outlaw it!” So you try to ban them first. It’s all true!
Why protect the temporary environment when you have eternal paradise waiting? Why do ANYTHING meaningful here when you have eternal paradise waiting.
tl;dr: Death cult. Projection.
If you spend your life wanting to see the end, eventually you will.
Not only that, but these bad things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the good things can come to pass. That’s the order of operations. Which leads to seeing the bad things and thinking, “YES!!! It’s haaaappeniiiiing!!!”
You literally welcome disaster, because it proves you right, rather than working to prevent it.
It’s all just food prep for the Archons.
The oldest human writings are lost to history. But we can be assured that they bitterly complained about the young generation and predicted that the world would end soon.
Sooner or later, one of the kooks will be right by coincidence.
If you predict it’s the end times every day for a thousand years, eventually you’ll get it right.
It’s not too late to re-evaluate your beliefs tbh. I don’t subscribe to the same brand of Christianity as my parents or as what you see happening in the USA, but you can actually have Christ without a lot of that mad fundie stuff, and incorporate into a more rational belief system. I recommend checking out InspiringPhilosophy on YouTube, he has a pretty rational way of explaining the faith. Or I am not rational at all because I still believe in a “skyfairy” according to internet atheists. Just don’t think that being a mad fundie is the only way to be a Christian or necessary to receive forgiveness from God.
The common “internet atheist” drives me nuts. Such arrogance! Such stubbornness! I will proudly yell “I DON’T KNOW!” from the highest mountaintop, and remain open minded.
Thanks for the YouTube recommendation!
Yeah, I know agnostics exist and the common atheist who jokes about skydaddy is in a minority, thankfully
I don’t know why anyone needs forgiveness from god. Seems to me that god is the one who needs to be forgiven for creating all this suffering.
What suffering are you referring to?
Suffering is literally everywhere, every day. People tortured, raped, beaten, killed. Disease is rampant as always. Ostensibly, Christians believe that god created everything the way he wanted. If that’s the case, he has some fucking explaining to do.
People are tortured, raped, beaten and killed by other people. Disease is rampant in fewer places with worse medical care. Humans collectively have enough money to solve that problem but instead hoard it for themselves instead. It’s us who have explaining to do to Him.
God created us in his image, no? Being omniscient and omnipotent, he has the power to stop those atrocities, right? If he doesn’t, he’s not God. If he does, he’s evil.
It was always going to end. And I’d rather be there for it than be born in some other boring and eventless time. Unfortunately, as exciting as times are, I think there’s still quite a while to go and we won’t be around for it. But you can still enjoy all that’s happening now; sure is a lot!
Depends on your generation. I’m early gen Z and if I live long enough, I think there’s a good enough chance I will see humanity going extinct
Nah, there’s an apocalyptic phase that goes on for a long time and chances of ultimate survival are quite positive. Six billion could perish, making life much easier for the remaining, though there’d be hard times for a few generations during recovery.
Always look on the bright side of life 😙🎵
Or, ya know, astroid… Whatever it is, it beats dying of dysentery at age 34.
May you live in interesting times.
Well, they’re not right if they were harping on “Jesus is coming again!” but other than that, I too might owe Mom & Dad and apology.
More clearly than ever in my life, I can see the end — the end of me, the end of America (whatever that really was), and the end of everything. It’s all so clear, it’s difficult to see anything else, even when I turn away.
If the entire world dies for any of those reasons, it’s humanity’s own damn fault. There will be nothing supernatural about it. You won’t owe anyone any kind of explanation.
yeah but its all going downhill because of people like them. christians are complicit in the demise of democracy.
theyre causing their own doom so they can point it out. if they didnt exist, the world would be a better place.
theres a great meme somewhere where the rapture happens and the world is an amazingly better place for it.
Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.
James 1:27
“Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”
religion is itself a slippery slope greased with fantasy and hope created by men. when their major tomes require interpretation, any meaning useful to the con artist can be derived.
99% of different interpretations don’t cause that big of a difference, though. The broad important part of the faith remains the same. Usually the divide is mainly on church governance and management, as well as ceremonies, the science of how covenants work, etc. I grew up in a Baptist church, and it was quite common to have Anglican and Presbyterian ministers preaching there. I have been to Anglican churches where Roman Catholics were preaching and ecumenical services as well. We agree on 90% of stuff.
every religion was created by man to control man. to give credence to the slippery slope of divinity is to allow the eventual removal of responsibility from human beings.
religion is a disease, even if ‘mostly benign’.
That’s a very shallow and uninformed view to how religions start and their origins
Lmao imagine responding to James, the brother of Jesus’ letter saying “hur hurr hurr, actually, you’re wrong, that’s a no true scotsman fallacy ☝️🤓”
I was responding to you, dingus.
I was quoting James
Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.
Chapter and verse?
James 1. Sure, verse 27, but there are other verses in there.
James 1:22-23, 26-27
[22] But be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves. [23] For if any are hearers of the word and not doers, they are like those who look at themselves in a mirror; [26] If any think they are religious, and do not bridle their tongues but deceive their hearts, their religion is worthless. [27] Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
James 2:14-19, 26
[14] What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? [15] If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, [16] and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? [17] So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. [18] But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. [19] You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. [26] For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.
Self fulfilling prophecy
“The imaginary is what tends to become real.”
Exactly what I came here to say.
America isn’t the world. It’s just a regime that will fall because of shortsightedness. If your Christian parents only think of the world as “America”, then I don’t think you owe them anything?
I’m going to make a point here, and I hope I am wrong, but I don’t think I am. If America falls apart, I think it will be the first one, not the only one. The influence America exerts on much of the rest of the world is huge, and the pressures on many other nations to follow any collapse with one of their own would be difficult to stop. Not just influence culturally, but economically, including but not limited to agriculture. Removing the agricultural influence provided by America alone will be devastating for much of the world (including non-agrarian parts America).
Very decent chance America just nukes everyone on the way out out of spite
I love the word christofascist. I‘ll try to use it more from now on.
Christofascists are wrong because they don’t recognize themselves and their cult leaders as a primary cause of doomsday, but rather they promote some poorly interpreted, wacky hallucinations from a dude in a desert 2000 years ago.
Personally, if I die only to find out that the Tyrant is real, I’ll gladly walk into hell before I kneel my way into heaven. Fuck their narcissistic, cruel, inhuman monster of a god.
I would expect in that case “hell” is just a lie anyway, like an abuser telling you you can’t live without them. It’s classic controlling behaviour.
Realising that helped me walk away from the whole thing: Why are we told hell exists if it isn’t real? Control.
