What era in time do these people think R’s are trying to conserve to, after or before civil rights?
Back to the mouth-breathing times…
This isn’t real, right? Because if it is I’d like to know the piece and origin
Thanks!
This is what happens when Dems refuse to do anything to help…
Idiots vote Republican because things will change. Almost never changes for the better (gotta go back to like Lincoln lol) but shit does change with a Republican.
If Dems who wanted to help could make it past the neoliberals in the primaries, all of these people would still be voting D.
Luckily Ken Martin hasn’t been the type to stand in the way of the type of candidates dem voters want. He’s the whole reason Minnesota is blue, let alone progressive.
Nearly four months into the legislative session, Democrats in the state have already tackled protecting abortion rights, legalizing recreational marijuana and restricting gun access — and they have signaled their plans to take on issues like expanding paid family leave and providing legal refuge to trans youths whose access to gender-affirming and other medical care has been restricted elsewhere.
“These [policies] are things that have a direct and clear impact on improving people’s lives,” U.S. Sen. Tina Smith, D-Minn, said. “And that’s what Minnesotans are looking for. They’re looking for evidence — just as voters are nationally — that the government that they elect can deliver results for them.”
Compare that to “Dem stronghold” states where most voters hate their incumbents, and the incumbents are routinely more conservative than the Dem party platform.
This is like blaming people for watching a lynching instead of blaming the KKK directly.
Not having courage to stop something is one thing but its not equally as incriminating as the crime itself.
Oh I’m sorry…
I thought this was a reasonable discussion about what the Dem party could do to stop people from voting for trump…
You clearly want to keep doing the same stuff that’s not working and just screech at people.
That does the opposite, but I won’t waste more time explaining
Edit:
A 14 hour account too, wonder how many accounts of yours I’ve blocked for advocating for the absolute worst strategy Dems can use moving forward…
I know very little about gay rights history in the US but in a quick search I learned that the supreme court case that made same sex marriage legal was put forth by a Democrat.
Another thing is that I’m under the impression that the Replublican party is very much a Religeous party that does not reconize anything outside Men-Women relations. I’m always confused to hear about gay Republicans.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you can’t be half as confused as they must be… 🤣😂 I mean, maybe I’m misremembering things here, but I feel like the GOP-at-large just recently (like within the last decade?) stopped publicly referring to homosexuality/homosexuals as ‘an abomination,’ which even then kinda felt like a begrudgingly made concession of necessity at best… No?
I’m not gonna lie, I’m more than a little shocked at this point everytime Trump mentions someone being “BL-A-ack.” I keep waiting for him to shift into full Dementia Don mode and just drop some hard Rs
They almost immediately switched to attacking trans people. They must be able to focus on some external group as being The Enemy, but they took a sudden loss on gay rights and they saw how deeply unpopular their position really was. Immediate switch to talking about bathroom bans and women’s sports. They even peeled off a section of the gay/lesbian community over this.
And some of these people just completely failed to see the similarities.
Like, some of the transphobic caricatures that have gone around over the years should’ve rung alarm bells in the minds of even people who don’t like us. They look like cartoons by A Wyatt Mann or other openly nazi cartoonists.
I’d like people to like us and believe us to be valuable members of their communities and societies. But I’ll settle for an understanding that opposing us hinders everyone’s freedoms and that some of those who stand against us wouldn’t like the people next to them
“one day I’ll be that boot!”
The issues with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans seem similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews, being gay isn’t a character trait, it’s a sexuality and its stands to reason that lots (although a minority) of gay people are generally conservative when it comes to every other issue than gay rights. And they deceive themselves into the idea that they can be “one of the good ones” and either that the party has already, or that they will move the party towards an accepting attitude.
LCR president Greg Angelo described the “preservation of LGBT rights and support for the LGBT community” as hallmarks of Donald Trump’s 2016 Presidential campaign, and asserted that support would continue during his presidency.
They threw the gays and lesbians into mental institutions until around 1970.
This is what you get when you have such a polarised electoral system. People treat the parties like sport teams and support them no matter what. So they vote against their own interests because they believe they should never vote for the other side.
1/3 of people dont even vote in the US because there is no real choice.
Its amazing how often you see people aggressively defending the democrats purely on the basis that they’re not the republicans. Even criticising the dems is framed as being pro Republican which is crazy. Both parties are shit, both have sewn up the US electoral system between them and keep everyone else out at all levels.
And during elections that opinion gets shut down and people become complicit with the system. “Voting for a 3rd party is a wasted vote” etc.
The idea that voters should be registered as democrat PR Republican is also crazy - it’s like supporting a party is part of someone identity which is weird.
The only way out is wholesale reform of the system and I don’t see either party offering that. A 3rd party could try and build from the bottom up and dismantle the two parties powerbase but it doesn’t seem to be happening.
So maybe it’ll be revolution when a party pushes people too far? Though Americans seem willing to tolerate an awful lot of shit without doing anything at all.
A 3rd party could try and build from the bottom up and dismantle the two parties powerbase but it doesn’t seem to be happening.
Not really. The FPTP system makes that incredibly difficult. You can’t get votes without taking some amount away from the closest party.
So existing parties are encouraged to shut down and absorb new parties. And new parties will struggle to get a majority of the old party, let alone a majority of the entire election.
We need a system that doesn’t have these nonstarter problems, and that’s star + approval voting.
There are several countries that have FPTP voting, but they’re not as entrenched at everywhere into two parties the way the US is. The UK, for example, has several regions where one of the two major parties is mostly fighting against a regional party, and the other major party has little to no voting base there.
Not only that, but several southern states have used instant runoff voting since the end of Reconstruction (or not long after). If you look at the makeup of their legislatures over the past 100+ years, you’ll see that they are just as filled with Democrats and Republicans as everywhere else.
Point is, FPTP is not the only thing at play.
There are several countries that have FPTP voting, but they’re not as entrenched at everywhere into two parties the way the US is.
Sure, that’s because there are other factors at play. But FPTP is one of the biggest factors, and in other countries with FPTP it is always the case where there are two dominant parties. Your own example, the UK, has that problem with the conservative & labour parties being the biggest. They always dominate the seats in parliament.
regional party, and the other major party has little to no voting base there.
Sure, but a part of why FPTP is so bad is because it gets worse the bigger the election. A small regional election may only have two candidates to begin with, which means any system of voting is esentially equal.
National elections are almost guaranteed to have at least 3 candidates running for a seat, often 4 or 5 if its a seat like the presidency. And that’s where you see third parties suffering most.
The fewer the seats there are, and the more national the election is, the worse FPTP gets.
you look at the makeup of their legislatures over the past 100+ years, you’ll see that they are just as filled with Democrats and Republicans as everywhere else.
That’s because the two parties are so entrenched everywhere else. It’s in their interest to dominate and push out 3rd parties in those elections as well.
Point is, FPTP is not the only thing at play.
Agreed, though it is clearly one of the biggest factors in 3rd parties failing. We need reprentational government, and this ain’t it.
Sure, that’s because there are other factors at play. But FPTP is one of the biggest factors, a
I don’t agree Australia has “ranked choice” and we have two big parties dominant. It’s not a FPTP, it’s voters.
Paraphrasing Susan Sontag, 10% of voters are good, 10% evil and 80% can be swayed either way, of that 80% many of us are stupid (in the Cippola sense).
Ranked choice is basically FPTP with simulated rounds. It’s not much better than FPTP. Switching from one bad voting system to a marginally better one isn’t going to fix things.
1/3 of people dont even vote in the US because there is no real choice.
If you’re not conviced by the last . . . eight weeks . . . that that’s absolutely not true, I don’t know what to tell you. If you’re under 24 then that’s because the adulting hasn’t kicked in full-time, but other than that, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exactly. People who genuinely say there is no difference are either so privileged that they genuinely feel no difference, or are too young to experience the differences.
This being said I suspect that a good amount of people who say there is no difference are accelerationist bad actors who just have no empathy.
South Park centrism is definitely something I had to grow out of, but it took a lot of additional reading and growing on my part that I’m guessing most people don’t bother with. Why try to figure out the better of two imperfect options when it’s easier to just say both suck?
Just one man’s opinion, but I’d rather have the picture and discussion here than a link to reddit.
What an idiot…
Quite likely a troll account.
Edit: meaning the source of the screenshot, not who I was replying to.
Did the picture not show up for you here? I’m using old.lemmy.world so i can see it on my end
I had to click through to reddit though. (And FWIW it did not link to old.reddit)
Not giving you a hard time though, just grumpy about reddit because reddit. :D
In any case it looks like you edited it and it loads fine now… 🙂
I don’t know why octopus posted that or how it has the most votes, because you didn’t post a reddit link. I am using the Voyager app and I can see the image.
this will only push me and other people like me out!
That’s the whole point.
Useful idiot is close to figuring out they’re a useful idiot.
It basically could have been written by an Aaron Sorkin character.
Yeah that’s what I’m referencing. It’s one of his favorite character archetypes. I think he used it in three different shows.
A gay republican; or, as they’re more commonly known as in the LGBT community, a “bitch-ass traitor”.
“We” lol
Typical conservative reasoning: “I don’t mind banning abortion, because I personally will never be affected”
…until you are affected…
“Dear Republicans. When I voted to have people’s rights stripped away and their lives ruined, I didn’t think it included me!”
Eat shit, asshole.
and should gulp it down with a warm jug of piss for good measure.
Dear Trump, I wrote you, but you still ain’t callin’, I left my cell, my pager, and my home phone at the bottom
Talking to Republican acquaintances who have lost their jobs to musk, they all say similar ideas. “I’m team Republican, so I voted R. Couldn’t let the Ds win. They are the like our division rivals”. Its literally a game to them, and election day is their Superbowl.
“So why’re you so mad? Y’all won! Think of it this way: you now have all day, everyday to celebrate!”
Most hilarious example of this is Alex Jones, who now has everything he screamed for for 30+ years and now doesnt know what to do with his show. He is now forced to support every idea that he preached was reprehensible all that time.
I have listened to many hours of Knowledge Fight and you are correct. Wild to go back and listen from the first episodes like I’ve done recently
the greatest con ever played on the public was convincing tens of millions of Americans that their civil rights were a game to them. Normalizing an attitude of “we might loose, but they won’t win either”.
Us vs Them isn’t red vs blue, it’s the rich donors vs their productive workers. The vast majority of Republicans and Democrats are actually on the same “side.”
Developing class consciousness is one of the few ways out of this mess.
i agree wholeheartedly. there ain’t no warfare but class warfare. look at iraq, do you really think we would have gone in if they were just another dirt poor country? naw.
Absolute dumbass. Even now he cannot face reality.
Notice how the author justifies himself. He’s pro-life, 2nd, ect…
This screams “I’m one of the good ones”, and implies that he has internalized homophobia. Anyway, it’s some next level “pick me” shit.
A “pick me” wanker.
“[…] this will only push me and other people like me out.”
I mean… Yeah… That IS kind of their whole point!?
