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I met someone today who told me the fires in Hawaii were caused by a giant laser.
Isn’t that the old KKK line about the Rotschilds having a space laser under their control? I seem to remember MTG getting in trouble for refering to it, and the WTYP folks having a laugh in their news section.
chuds seem to be blaming all the wildfires on giant space lasers this year
I feel like they like space lasers a lot recently. Give the tendency of the right to project should we be perhaps a little concerned about what all the private space companies might be up to at the moment?
this is why space force was started, to funnel public money to giant space laser contractors
I’m sure if a Chinese relief ship showed up with supplies and rescue personnel America would have a normal one.
already happened with the earthquake in turkey. tons of headlines like “THEY’RE ONLY DOING THIS TO TIGHTEN THEIR GRIP”
also similar normal ones are had any time china bails a country out of IMF debt to the USA by giving them a 0% interest loan (and subsequently forgiving it)
tons of headlines like “THEY’RE ONLY DOING THIS TO TIGHTEN THEIR GRIP”
ok but that’s what I say when USA does aid.
America also turns a profit off aid. They stopped measuring that metric after Hudson pointed that out.
“China has donated 500,000 doses of COVID vaccine and 2,000 ventilators to Africa. Here’s why that’s an inscrutable Fu Manchu conspiracy.”
Doing something helpful instead of just being greedy assholes is just about a
tactic when it comes to undermining Burgerland.
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“If you want to help … start tweeting”
Surprised it didn’t end with
You say that America is bad because it’s doing a bad thing. I say that America is good because it’s always done bad things. I am very smart.
start tweeting about how to fix our system
just make sure not to actually do anything
Helping people by utilizing the most highly funded military in the world is weakening it. We can’t do good things with those resources. How else will we project our might wherever we want?
I remember these liberals used to make the excuse that the US Navy also does humanitarian work, in particular disaster relief. Wonder what happened to that? Guess it’s no coincidence they’ve got 2 hospital ships and 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers
imagine the good that could be done if all the war criminals on those 11 aircraft carriers died and then cuban doctors took them over
Projection
How exactly are the Hawaiian fires a “right wing issue”
I swear to god I find new ways to hate liberals every day
Any criticism of America is a right wing issue when the president is a democrat.
This is how they handle issues like Libya. If you bring it up most people will think you are right wing.
Because liberal can’t fathom that anyone is to the left of them.
At this point, half the GOP is to the left of them. Utterly pathetic
NGL they also sound quasi fascist sometimes. Scratch a liberal tho 👀
The West would never
China, meet with Ryukyuan and Hawaiian independence activists please
I think this might be seen as exporting revolution, and especially in the case of Japan they are really more invested in doing what they can to pry Japan in general a little bit away from the imperial core (good luck).
Oh yeah I know
Xi Please ask Kim Jong Un to use Juche necromancy on
Dunk on me all you want to, but just here to ask, what could be done better? As far as I know this was a natural disaster (probably worsened by climate change). I’m sure there are for profit groups that are helping Hawaii just out of monetary gains, but aren’t government emergency services on the island helping?
I hope this doesn’t come across as me defending capitalism, but is the argument here that it would better if Hawaii was independent of the US? And would that actually help their ability to respond to a disaster such as this?
Well, I’m not american. I don’t know enough about the Hawaii situation, all I have to go on is some accusations here and there that the government failed in it’s duty. That’s not enough to make a real judgement of the situation, and I haven’t looked into the matter more deeply.
What I’m more wary of is the growing chorus of people who seem to think that criticism of the US government only exists online because of signal boosting from nefarious Chinese-Russian troll farms. If you’re a liberal you’re supposed to pride yourself on the institutionalized self criticism that is supposed to exist in a liberal democracy. Now we have the democrats and the republicans both united in partisan hackery and a desire to ascribe negative speech to either Russiagate or Soros and The Jews®. This is not a good thing.
From what I understand the US government did fail terribly during the Katrina disaster, and then the local government made full use of the opportunity to segregate and ethnically cleanse some historical black neighborhoods. So it’s not like this is an impossible idea that came out of the blue.
All of the factors which contributed to how deadly the fire at Lahaina ended up being were known years in advance, like the buildup of invasive grasses, poor planning and training, and the loss of agricultural land around the town which acted as fire breaks. In fact there had been several bills to improve wildfire resilience introduced in the Hawaii legislature in the last 5 years which ended up being voted down, often due to cost.
Like this fire killed several hundred people, that is unheard of, you have to go back to the early 1900s for wildfires that deadly. That’s becuase we know how to slow wildfires when they get close to towns and how to effectively evacuate people. The fact that the Lahaina evacuation was so chaotic and that the fire could spread so quickly into town speaks to profound neglect by all levels of government.
also if Hawaii was still for Hawaiians they would be stewarding their lands better, presumably, like they did for the prior tens of thousands of years before hwhitie showed up, just as was the case with North American forests
Even if we’re not being generous and assume that the US is useless and cynical, probably one of the most ‘impressive’ and easiest PR wins would be deploying large swaths of soldiers to do search and rescue, reuniting, and handing food and water out with the billions or trillions they’ve been given to buy fancy equipment. But right now it’s primarily healthcare and fire professionals and volunteers with extremely limited resources and manpower, with some soldiers
Adding onto this: the soldiers already there.
Soldiers can be moved around at will, send them a different base and use barracks as free temporary housing for the displaced people.
Martial law could prevent the tourist influx that’s straining resources.
Executive order banning real estate ghouls coming in and hoovering up land like Pompeii. Who gives a fuck if it’s illegal, by the time it goes through the courts more robust solutions can be put in place.
A strong executive that wanted to actually prevent further harm has many tools.
Sorry the only we can do is send them to the South China Sea
As far as I know this was a natural disaster (probably worsened by climate change)
Not even a week ago: https://jacobin.com/2023/08/joe-biden-justice-department-climate-crisis-constitutional-right-julianna-v-us
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is the argument here that it would better if Hawaii was independent of the US
literally yes since the US military industrial complex is responsible for hogging most of the land on the island chain, polluting the water, crowding out the working class, and handing everything over to scumbag developers. As for this particular disaster, the US isn’t exactly better equipped to help hawaiians considering how far out in the pacific ocean hawaii is and how far goods have to be transported there. They’re just about as well equipped as anyone else, but with the added caveat that they have a habit of neglect even on the mainland (see Flint michigan, for instance)
You wanna know what China does in any natural disaster?
The PLA gets deployed to the disaster immediately, providing relief in the form of rescue, shelter and food handouts. Entire villages get reconstructed brand new where in the west they instead get fucked by insurance companies refusing to pay out to “acts of god”. Not a single person affected by the disaster goes unhelped.
What really should happen in weather disasters is a relocation of the affected population to a newly constructed location, less susceptible to weather destruction. If no such safe space exists then all construction needs to take into account the new conditions and adapt to it. All of this should of course be paid for by the state(it’s the people’s money anyway), and it can quite easily do so if it goes without a handful of bombs for a single year. A few billion is peanuts to the US military but would completely resolve matters like this and climate-proof things for the future as well.
Well since Hawaii is controlled by the US, they can’t ask for help from other countries, and the US won’t ask for help from other countries either.
I can’t say for certain if Hawaii would seek help from others if it was independent, but I feel like it’s a pretty good guess.
The issue is that this person is trying to claim that criticism of the US response to the natural disaster in Hawaii is not valid because its a “far right” smear backed by the governments of the PRC and Russian Federation.
The US has a long history of being shit in Hawaii particularly to the indigenous population, and there’s plenty to criticize. So this this an attempt to handwave away that criticism by blaming it on disinformation
But China and Russia don’t care about Hawaii
Neither does the US
But nominally if nothing else, the US is responsible for it
Tbh i find it entirely believable that your average CPC member regards Hawaiian peope more fondly than your average
, if even just for a lack of racist propaganda as a childYour average CPC member isn’t in charge of PRC foreign policy though
The people writing these articles typically aren’t either
Hawaii is not a state of the US. It’s a vassal at best.
Hawaii used to be a US colony. Still is, but also used to be
Liberals live in an alternate reality to the rest of us
You know what would really own the chinese and russians? Not neglecting Hawai’i.
This is like when Iran complained that LGBTQ-rights were used as a wedge issue by the US to foment revolution.Reality can’t really be propaganda because Americans accepted their failing society as reality
right-wing narrative
That narrative? The government should be helping its citizens. I am a very smart liberal and I definitely don’t just categorize things as bad/right wing and good/liberal.
Help! China is doing a propaganda against widdle cinnamon roll America by checks notes telling the truth.
The US Occupation of Hawaii is illegal by the way.
