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Everyone that’s mad deserves to be tagged again. lol
Do it.
Why the fuck did you tag us? Go fuck yourself with this spam bullshit
Hey. At least they told exactly where not to go now.
Did you tag every subscriber or something? Wtf? How did you accomplish this?
Have a look at !football@lemmy.world
I’m not a subscriber, but I probably have commented in the community before. This feels gross and spammy.
It’s really no different from the reddit automod sending notifications as a DM, it’s just more visible when done wholesale via comment tagging instead of sending a DM to every individual
The difference is that I’ve only ever received notifications from automod as a reaction to something I did, and those notifications came in either as a comment reply or as a direct message.
I looked it up - the last time I interacted with this community was 5 months ago. I’m not a subscriber, either.
I can understand the importance of casting a wide net for awareness, but I think your scoping and your approach was wrong.
If I may offer a few suggestions - I don’t think the idea is wrong, but I think that the messages should have been direct messages to users that clearly explained why that individual user was receiving the message, plus whatever else you needed/wanted to say.
I would have had more rigid criterion for inclusion, too. Subscribers, certainly, and perhaps people who have interacted with the community a minimum number of times within a limited time period. For me, 3 times in 3 months seems generous enough to cast that wide net while also not being overly-broad.
So if I were executing this, I would have had the bot direct message people, and say “Hello, I’m a bot acting on the behalf of X community. You are receiving this message because you are a subscriber or have recently interacted with the community. We wanted to let you know that the community is moving! It can be found at Y.”The bulk tagging action was, I think, especially egregious. Posts with massive amounts of tags are a very common spam technique and people automatically have a negative association with them. Pair that with non-specific criteria and relatively non-descriptive explanations, and I think it’s a perfectly reasonable thing for folks to have adverse reactions.
I hope that you consider the above as fair, and not overly critical. I’m not trying to throw stones. Everyone is human here. Well, except for the bot. But even it makes mistakes.
I hope that you consider the above as fair, and not overly critical. I’m not trying to throw stones. Everyone is human here. Well, except for the bot. But even it makes mistakes.
Not at all, I’d say all well reasoned feedback is always welcome, and I mostly agree with all your points.
To mention a things:
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The mass tagging instead of DMs were to spare the server from spamming DM requests. Originally though, the bot was written to reply to the latest post or comment you made in the community, but similar to sending DMs, mass tagging in a few condensed comments is “tidier” in some sense.
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The script (it isn’t really a bot as it requires manual input) was set to look 365 days back, which might have been fine for football@lemmy.world where it was originally used. I suppose for a community that have more non-subscriber engagement, a tighter timeline like a week or month *might *have been better.
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If I could have gotten the subscriber list via the API, I would have done so. I suppose a coordination with the admins to get the subscriber list would be better.
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Hello,
Thank you for your nice feedback. I just created a thread on !fedigrow@lemm.ee , I’ll definitely include this.
FYI, at the moment the only people who can know the list of subscribers to a community are that community’s instance admins, via the database directly, so not something very accessible for mods.
I had not considered that as a possibility/did not know.
That definitely throws a wrench into the subscriber only idea - at least not without admin support.
I assume that most instances have some rule against vote manipulation. A complementary idea I had was to - for a set period, make a post restating the change and request that community members upvote it for visibility. Such as 1x post a week or what-have-you - varying the day to accommodate for folks on different schedules. (Workday folks, vs weekend folks, etc)
Definitely an option without the request for upvotes, regardless of instance rules, but perhaps without as much reach.Yes, otherwise we would have probably gone that route.
Your other idea would probably be seen as vote manipulation indeed unfortunately
You are extremely, distressingly incorrect on this point. This was a colossal mistake and needs to be acknowledged as such.
Genuinely curious: would it have been okay if it would have been a DM?
I would have felt a little better if it were a dm that didn’t include a bunch of other random users without any clear inclusion criteria.
I wasn’t bothered really. Just confused. An individual DM without essentially what amounts to a large cc list would be nice but I understand that may not be feasible/possible currently.
We might consider this in the future, there’s a thread on !fedigrow@lemm.ee about this
If you find it genuinely distressing, I’m open to hear your opinions and view point. From my own perspective, I don’t see how a single notification that let’s you know that a community you’ve interacted this year is migrating is problematic.
But again, I’m open to hear the reasons why I’m wrong and causing emotional trauma, as my intention was only help blaze with his community migration.
They blocked me and the community apparently, so not sure they’ll come back to you.
By the way, thank you for the help, sorry for the backlash, that is unexpected
We live and we learn 🙂
People are different and have different views on what’s acceptable and not. Maybe the (smaller) football crowd are more interested in making sure they stay up to date with the correct community.
It could also be that most people that were pinged weren’t subscribers, but one-time visitors from c/all. The influx of Nicole spam could also have put people more on the edge, who knows.
this is spam, please never include me in a message like this again.
I understand the intent, but I think your net was too wide. If there is no way to just get a list of subcribers or some other shorter list of people who will actually care or notice it moved, that might be the better plan in the future. But I think just a message in the community without tagging people already does that, really. Just not quite as quickly.
Hello,
Thank you for your comment.
There were quite a few concerns when the migration was suggested that people would not see the pinned post. We tries to mitigate that with the notification. Sorry about this.
How did you populate the list?
The script is available on https://lemmy.world/post/24312613?scrollToComments=true
LMFAO
Is the new comm no longer about movies?
Nope.
“I’ll take ‘Piss Off Every Lemmy User’ for 1000, Alex.”.
To be fair, on the other side people always complain when community migration is mentioned that “you lose people in the process”
!football@lemmy.world pinned post is similar, people were quite okay to be notified there
“to be fair” you can go fuck yourself. I’m blocking !television@lemm.ee and you because this is honestly a bullshit way to do notifications and the lack of understanding is mindboggling.
Well, sure
To be even more fair, I never partake in the foozeball or the boobtoob communities except to complain about shitty posts.
How the spambot scraped the user list and notified people was not smart and likely resulted in more blocks.
Not sure what boobtoob is, but okay
TIL
Thanks!
Correct. There’s movies for that. It’s split into movies and television.
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Hey, please not that it’s against lemmy.world TOS (and probably against the TOS’es of some other instances) to do this. So if you are planning to do this when moving a community, please don’t.
I now know why it is against ToS. It confused me when I got the notification. I never get a mention usually on Lemmy.
Don’t you get a notification when people reply to one of your comments?
Not a mention, just a notification. I got a mention. I am on jerboa and boost for Lemmy btw.
Hey,
Wait a sec, how is that against the ToS? We did a while ago on https://lemmy.world/post/24312613 and did not get any issue
Something can violate TOS but go unnoticed.
“I did it before” is not a valid argument for something not being against TOS.
It breaks rule 3 and 5.1 of the Lemmy.world TOS.
I clarified it on the Lemmy Defense matrix channel since then. I’ll try to get this added as a feature, be it on Lemmy or Piefed, let’s see how it goes.
Yea that would be great (:
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Fuck is this spam.
A pinned post works wonders.
Not this nonsense.A pinned post can be unnoticed by a large amount of people.
Sorry for the one notification, but at least now we’re sure everyone who interacted with this community is aware of the move.
That makes no sense. The decision to close this community was made in a pinned post. If that’s not enough engagement the community shouldn’t have been closed.
Well movies and TV was dead anyway, but it had (has) 2.5k subscribers. There’s no way to actually gather up enough of those people at all without some kind of mass ping. Which would annoy people all the same.
Either that’s enough engagement so that’s what they should have done instead of spam thousands of accounts or it’s not enough engagement and they have no reason to spam thousands of accounts. You can’t just decide to start spamming because you want more users in your new community.
It’s done now. It was just supposed to be pinging those who weren’t aware, but had previously interacted on here. It can’t scrape subscribers, so can only go by comments on here.
You’ve just described spam. Mass unsolicited messaging.
There’s no native way to inform people here of community migration at scale. It’s just a notification that is somewhat targeted.
Well it was a great way to put yourself on my shitlist.
How exactly does it work wonders? It never shows up in the feeds of people
I have no problem seeing pinned posts.
Most people won’t see a pinned post if they’re not actively browsing that instance at the time. Sure, some will, but not many depending on the community size.
The automated migration notification is interesting, I assume it’s everyone that was subscribed to the old one. How does it work?
I was never subscribed
You probably commented at some point
I wasn’t subscribed!
You commented here: https://lemm.ee/post/35434394/12784907
There’s no way this helps your case lol
It’s nor supposed to help it, just explain
I wondered if that was the case.
It scraped comments, not subscribers. You commented here before.
I figured! Better way to get a larger audience I suppose. Seems, based on comments, some people were unhappy. I ended up subscribing to the new one though.
Yes, seems like the notification isn’t always welcome by some people. Glad to see it was useful to you, see you there!
Not very well, given that I’m not subscribed and have no idea why I was notified.
You’ve interacted with the community, the subscriber list isn’t available from the the API AFAIK
Might be worth adding to the API. This kind of notification is obviously useful but a bit surprising for people who once passed by and left a comment.
I 100% agree, it would be a much better solution and would integrate well with AutoMods. I suspect it’s not available for privacy reasons since it would enable you to scrape every community someone is subscribed to, which people may not want exposed to regular uses. Similar to how you can’t see who/what people voted.
I wasn’t subscribed either but maybe I upvoted something on here before? Not a huge deal but def curious how the automation for that was crafted.
Here’s the script. It’s pretty messy as it was supposed to be a one-off script when football@lemmy.world migrated to !Football@lemm.ee and was modified from sending a DM to just mass tagging people. You can’t get the subscriber list via the API, so you have to check for activity.
Gotcha thanks for sharing. Hope the migration goes well :)
I think blaze needs the good luck more than me. I’m not a part of this community as I don’t watch movies and TV, I was just doing this upon request. Granted me my first ever mod/admin warning though lol
Yeah, it’s not super bad but definitely a bit surprising.
You commented at some point
Unsubscribe.
Order corn
You misspelled porn.
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What is this and why was I notified of it?
I wish I didn’t get removed just so I can see what it said
