Why travel to that shithole.
People also travel to Pyongyang just to see just how shitty it is.
I’d rather go there. Probably safer.
Honestly, just follow their rules and you’d probably be fine in NK. But maybe not so in the us
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What the actual fuck is going on with my country?!? For fuck sake, not all of us are fascist bellends.
Things are still gonna get worse, we’re not gonna get through this until their actions hurt so many people that enough of them get fed up and it leads to one of those belgrade or hungary sized protests
You’re talking about a country that largely lives with its head in the sand. America is notorious for avoiding the news, especially world news. The fact that any is ingested as all is likely thanks to social media. (Im talking large strokes, middle of the bell curve behaviors). As long as the family unit is ok, people generally think they’re ok, and live with blinders for anything outside of that. This life approach has existed long before Trump was even a blip in politics.
Remember, inertia is a seismic, global driving force of action for much of humanity.
I think it would likely take everyone’s personal house burning down in tandem to inspire mass action and those who still had houses would still function via the force of inertia propelling them through their daily habits, ignoring everyone else.
I say that as an American. I don’t like it, but it’s true. That and liberals a very un unified and tend not to like each other. A lot of gatekeeping takes place there rather than uniting and doing, always has. It’s a scattered, messy, un unified party.
In addition, there was another post made in response to a “do something” rant that I think sums up the other piece in play.
“I don’t know how to start a riot.”
Which is a fair point. How? Seriously. And where do you find people when your full personal circle is 2-7 individuals (if you have friends at all, it’s a major problem people seek therapy for these days). and half of the people who are friends with are either MAGA or a dissociated young man who spends all their free time behind a screen engaged in escapism.
We’re kinda screwed on the psychology side over here.
Generally I agree, but also I feel like we get held to a higher standard for some reason? I don’t believe the average person in China or India or wherever is significantly more informed about the news and world than we are in America. It’s just that when you have no time and energy outside of work it’s difficult to remain informed (and cross checked) about everything going on. Our orange Hitler has done like 4 things a day since being elected that could probably warrant a documentary each just to explain all the bullshit, and that’s just what’s going on here.
but also I feel like we get held to a higher standard for some reason?
I realize I discuss inertia as a driving human force a lot, but inertial force doesn’t just rule over behaviors but thinking and expectation as well.
This one is derived from that American ethos born of not just 1776 but WW2 and the post WW2 remapping of world politics, centered in the West. That’s it. We’ve been riding and reinforcing that inertial force ever since. That is simply how long and powerful inertial force can be within the context of psychology.
We The People hit a brick wall in November, but so did the rest of the world.
How that brick wall happens for individual Americans, wakes them up and energizes them instead of just making them feel tired and broken, I don’t know.
Aside regarding headlines. Germany is the classic comparison in studies. Brutal headlines and imagery are typical, even pre social media.
I feel like we get held to a higher standard for some reason?
Not really. My expectations about Americans are pretty low, and even then I’m regularly being disappointed by what I see them doing.
At minimum you guys should be held to the standards that you claim for yourselves, but that’s so much higher than I have ever seen your country achieve.
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If Americans want the respect from the rest of the world that your country claims it deserves, you guys need to fix a helluva lot of things.
In your world where every group is a monolith, I guess that might make sense. 🙄 What country are you from?
A third of you are fascist bellends, a third are fighting against the fascist bellends … and a third are just standing there doing nothing.
Yeah, the non-voters are fucking worse than the Trumpers in some ways.
this is beyond voting now
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oh I voted. And dragged* all my kids to vote. And my reluctant wife. I did everything I could…
I did everything I could…
Did you? Are you?
How often are you holding your elected officials to account?
how often are you hitting the streets protesting?
How much local and community organizing are you doing?
How much “voting with you wallet” are you doing?
You might want to say “dragged” instead…
Well…. (I see your point).
Turn off your phone before going through customs or tsa. They can’t compel you to give your password out, but biometrics don’t fall under that category.
Doesnt work. They wont let you in if you dont unlock your phone. Same thing if you wipe it. They can refuse you for any reason.
Well ain’t that some bull shit.
And they can refuse you entry if you don’t comply.
Sleeping on an airport bench for your 2 week business trip knowing you’re getting fired when you get home
Why would you get fired? Like they would have to justify it and I dont think “I was oppressed when visiting a fascist police state” is a legally permissible reason to fire someone in most countries
Yup, that’s true.
For those of us with GrapheneOS, you could maybe set up a different user profile solely for travel? Hopefully they wouldn’t look closely enough to see that it’s not the real one
That feels like a pretty big gamble when the consequence for losing is being detained by ICE.
Sorry man battery died!
No problem. The cellebrite imaging tool will provide power while it dumps your entire phone.
Full Disk Encryption works. Use a strong passphrase. >20 characters.
For now anyway.
better to get a cheap burner phones, than through that hassle.
If you bring a burner phone and they search it and see nothing on it, they’ll think that suspicious too and might deny entry.
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No explicit source, but it’s common sense and within their abilities, keep in mind recently changed rules around searching in general have changed recently…
Border agent: I’m going to search your phone give me the password.
(eventually you agree because it’s a burner)
You: Here you go
Border agent: There’s nothing on this phone, no email, no pictures, nothing? What are you trying to hide?
You: Well it’s a new phone I just got
Border agent: And you haven’t logged into anything yet?
You: Ya.
Border agent: looks like you’re trying to hide something, this isn’t normal behaviour
You: start looking nervous as the border agent’s tone changes
Border agent: You’re looking a little nervous now, are you hiding something?
You: no, just trying to travel
Border agent: Goes away and talks to someone, then comes back and says, sorry were going to deny you.
They can deny anyone for any reason. It would ultimately come down to how you handle the situation, but DO expect to be grilled about it if you haven’t set it up to look real.
Fill it with Cat photos 😼
I’ve heard past suggestions of things like Goatse
My company isn’t organizing any off-sites to the US for my remote first company anymore because of this shit lol. I think partially because nobody outside of the US would even go
Easy fix for me I just won’t go.
Why even visit a hostile country?
They’re a scientist. Science is pretty international and often involves travelling to all sorts of countries for conferences with other researchers in your field.
not to US now, that is became pretty anti-science. stems is already suffering in many areas before trump was elected, he just made things worst.
This. I personally have no plan going to usa now and in the future. Unfortunately some Canadians may still have to go for work related trips. Just be aware that you may or may not need to register in the new “Alien Registration Requirement”.
Just be aware that you may or may not need to register in the new “Alien Registration Requirement”.
And if you choose wrong, they might lock you up in a
detention centerconcentration camp.
His job sent him
Breaking: Trump justice dept to define eating brie as Domestic Terrorism.
New executive order just dropped: from now on only “easy cheese”
US FDA announces easy cheese as the healthiest option for kids everywhere!
This would send my wife off the deep end. Don’t do this, Orange Fat Man.
No need to go to the us. Fuck that hellhole.
Some of us that left still want to visit family when they’re dying
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You seem to have missed the point.
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I think the point was not having a phone with you when you go through security and not about privacy when you are on the other side
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Its more about compartmentization.
In this scenario, you’re not trying to hide the fact that the burner belongs to you. You are pretending that it’s your main device and everything on there is all the data you have. And therefore, concealing the fact that all your anti-government data is on a separate device in your home country.
They think the burner if your main device, and that’s the point.
It’s not the traceability of the phone. It’s the contents of the phone.
The contents of our phones is deeply personal and some courts have ruled that makes them part of the fourth amendment protections, but it’s not made it to the Supreme Court (afaik, ianal) and border patrol doesn’t care as this case makes evident.
The benefit of a burner phone is that you don’t knock out your primary phone in order to remove “incriminating” evidence like that time your friend texted you that Donald Trump is an orange bellend.
It’s not that the border patrol doesn’t care, they have an exception
Its possible to own a phone and never use a SIM. This is the recommend option. Never connect to a cell tower. Just use WiFi.
Thats why you should use a Google Pixel with GraphineOS and a unique 20+ digit password (along with a secure VPN like Mullvad)
They would just deny entry if you refuse to unlock.
I got a secret for you. Grapheneos has a duress password feature, if you type it in, it completely wipes the phone. Give them that password and act surprised when the phone shits itself
That will accomplish you preventing them from seeing the contents of your phone. It will also accomplish you not getting past the border. At best.
That reminds me. I’m always bad at handling my stuff, and my stuff always break. Like imagine I just go cross a border one day and they demanded to see my phone, BUT my phone legit just stops working because I spilled coffee on it this morning and it decides to stop working RIGHT NOW, not earlier or later, but just as when I take out the phone, attempt to type in the real password, boom, screen goes black because it actually got liquid damage…
Like… that would be so… awkward…
I’m gonna look like a criminal lol
No avg person is doing this. Get a second phone with alias accounts.
I use GraphineOS and tbh its not inconvenient to use
Convincing someone to completely change their operating system isn’t easy from the start.
If you’re genuenly worried about your security it makes sense, the average person however doesn’t care so they wont do anything to increase security
TBH, buying a cheap Chinese burner phone with no security relevant data on it just for traveling to the US, might be better security wise than buying an expensive Google Pixel Phone with GrapheneOS on it.
Especially now where Google, a US company and bound by its laws, that produces these devices, might (start) hand(ing) out backdoor keys to their hardware.
But with Graphene&Co you can make full backups, store them externally (e.g. selfhosted cloud) and then just apply before/after crossing borders as needed. Plus doing that makes a duress wipe way less painful if you ever need to. Tho, if you’re somewhere where they’re likely to just keep it instead of forcing an unlock or copying data, a cheap burner that doesn’t hurt to loose is still the better idea…
That is a good option. I am actually quite careful about what I use my phone for. I still on occasion use Google maps, but i turn location history off and I always delete previous searches.
I am aware that this does not remove them from google’s database, but it does make your movements not immediately obvious.
Also i would delete browser history and log out of all social media accounts (and disable remembering usernames/passwords) and even uninstall some apps in order to make who you interact eith less immediately obvious. Once you clear the border fully you can reinstall everything at your earliest convenience.
You may want to try Organic Maps. It can probably help in 80% of situations where you use Google Maps.
I have been using Organic Maps and I have no complain.
I also have osmand. At any rate I wish I could uninstall Google entirely off my computer. My dad was the one who made my gmail account back in 2005 (when it was invited only, if you can believe/remember that), and I have been using it for all my governmental and important stuff since. I have plenty of other emails, but most of them are for inconsequential stuff.
Turning location history off does nothing for your privacy. It just makes it so you can’t see the data they’re recording.
Graphene is like 5% more difficult to use than any other phone. Getting a second phone is way more inconvenient.
Lol ok. Cause nothing like installing and learning a new OS right before traveling.
Would Private Internet Access work? That is my VPN.
They have mossad ties. Their CEO or something is a former spy. It’s owned by Israel.
https://hackread.com/private-internet-access-pia-vpn-sold-israel-privacy-concerns/
NOW YOU TELL ME! I have a three year plan with them!
In the same boat. I’m going to have to drop em and switch to mullvad.
💀
VPNs you should look into:
Proton*
Mullvad
IVPN
*Proton had a controversy involving the CEO claiming “Republicans are the party that ‘fight for the little guy’” so… do your own research. But they are also the best when it comes to amount of servers, so its less likely to get blocked by websites.
I have the free proton on my phone. I can use it there at least
If they know your name and address its not secure
Yup. That’s a possibility. I work in security and would tell them it’s just how we do things. If they send me home I will spend the week with my family instead of sitting in stupid training all week.
LOL they changed the headlines to “hateful towards U.S. Policy” now? I thought it was “critical of Trump”.
Burner phone is the way to go, wherever you travel.
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