This came up in my health care forum.
Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.
This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.
Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.
This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.
It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.
Authors (5) Lucero https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1260
; Drazkowski https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1258
; Wesenberg https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1256
; Eichorn https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1219
; Gruenhagen https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1257
These all seem like real upright citizens in Minnesota, guys. /s
I’m not sure why Bill is presenting this shit, but he should stop!
it’s legislative shitposting/meme magic. one of them gets an idea for the meme: adding “Trump Derangement Syndrome” as a mental illness to troll the libs. it provokes a reaction in us, because it’s 2025 and for all we know the damn thing might pass at the rate the fascists are consuming the state, and the Republicans’ base feeds off of our panic and grief, fueling their schadenfreude. Republican voters are the real trolls; these legislators are just their proxies.
basically, this is the meme magic formula that took 4chan from “ironic” Nazi trolls to an outright fascist resurgence across the West, that took Trump from a meme candidate to the Oval Office, that took the 51st State rhetoric from obvious hyperbole to deadly serious. it’s “just a joke” when you’re defending it, it’s “just trolling” when you’re pushing it through, and it’s “owning the libs” when you’re executing on it.
As long as you aren’t playing it down (I don’t think you are but not 100% sure) I’m with you. Historically, that’s how we got here.
Still, it needs to be called out, every step of the way. The more such “troll legislation” passes - possibly unseen - the worse things get.
Also, there’s no 3- or even more-D chess going on. MAGAGOP is just throwing shit at the wall, not too bothered if something doesn’t stick, but immediately ready to follow up if it does. So let’s make sure it doesn’t.
definitely not playing it down. the whole point of meme magic is that it shifts the Overton window so bills like these can actually pass. it’s a kind of “irony laundering.” they “troll” the Left, the Left raises alarm, the Right keks and calls us hysterical, the Center sees us as crying wolf and tunes us out. the Right pushes the “troll” legislation as far as they can because “it’s just a prank bro,” until we’re weakened enough they can actually pass it.
it’s like how the Right goads us into calling them “fascists” because they’re literally being fascists, the Right gaslights saying we’re always calling everyone “fascists,” until fascism reenters the Overton window because the Center thinks “fascism” doesn’t mean anything anymore.
honestly, the Left should have used this kind of meme magic back when Republicans were calling centrist Dems Socialists. if we’d used this strategy as well as the Right did we could be executing Billionaires by now.
it’s a kind of “irony laundering.”
I like this. Used to be a “joke”, then something to rally around and get outraged about, then - whoopsie, it’s reality.
And most people voted for the joke or the outrage, not the reality, as I’m sure even more will find out in the years to come.honestly, the Left should have used this kind of meme magic
Absolutely not. I know it’s “in” rn to say we have to use the same methods, no more Mr Nice Guy etc. but I disagree with that - generally, and specifically with this “meme magic”. It destroys reality, facts, truth.
There is something to be said for politicians/politics having a better social media presence though, a better sense of humor etc. No need to give up on facts at the same time.
Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn’t mean it will be passed. The overwhelming majority of bills that are introduced don’t pass. And this is in one state, not federal. And if the legislature passed it the governor may veto it, and it would certainly face legal challenge.
I get that everything sucks right now and it feels like we’re getting attacked on every front. I get the administration is doing illegal stuff. We’re in for a rough time. Still: don’t give them power by acting like every idea they bring up is likely, or possible. This bill is just trolling, it’s so some nobody state level legislators will have a bullet point in their newsletter and a social media post.
You’re missing the point. This shit drags the Overton window to the right every time.
They are testing the limits and normalizing this shit at the same time.
It doesn’t pass… Until it does. Then what.
You are, of course, correct. That said, the level of enforcement happening on illegal acts and judicial orders says it may not matter.
It’s a mess right now. So keeping an eye is good.
Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn’t mean it will be passed.
But it absolutely means that republicans want to do it and will keep working at it until they accomplish it or something similar. And democrats will probably fucking go along with it because of course they will.
It can’t happen here…until it does
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I saw on a conservative discussion group about making “TDS” (Trump Derangement Syndrom is what they’re calling it) an actual entry into psychiatric work. I was wondering where this was coming from.
There it is.
In Soviet America the crackpots will hospitalize you.
We live in a world where people worship a businessman/politician as the literal second coming of their messiah, but “Trump Derangement Syndrome” refers to people who are critical of a convicted felon who openly ran for office to kill further prosecutions against him
I guess I’ll see some of you in the loony bin with me. We should play bingo or something.
I like Mancala, personally.
They probably wouldn’t allow RISK, too “violent”.
U guys remember that scene in Schindler’s List where the little girl is screaming “Good bye you Jews!” To all the families as they are being marched off to a slave labor camp? Well this is how that sorta shit starts. Make the opposition the demon and get away with anything.
This is indeed how that sorta shit starts.
Worse, Americans also seem to have forgotten how to make that sort of shit end. Everyone agreed on what to do with Nazis 80 years ago.
Everyone certainly did not agree. A very sizable segment of US citizens were Nazi sympathizers before and after WWII. Remember what it took for the United States to get involved in the war effort in the first place.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
Free speech is dead. Democracy is dead. And now the individuals who criticize Trump can be detained in a mental hospital.
Yep, we’re back to the 1930s folks
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Donald Ewen Cameron’s operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.
Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn’t even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).
For those who don’t know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, “incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents.” “Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in a childlike state and even had to be potty-trained.”
After conducting these horrific, abusive “experiments” (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government’s full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.
This is literally USA level stuff.
Holy shit, what? Good god
I know all about MKULTRA, but I’ve never been aware of this or anything else that involved Canada.
Man this country is rotten to the core. The shit that the CIA did with LSD alone constitutes crimes against humanity.
This process is already able to be abused to swat people, and the conditions are horrible for the people being held. I’ve seen it as a MH worker. It’s not a hospital, it’s a jail. There is no treatment, only observation in cells. It’s deeply traumatizing and corrupt. Coercion to get people to sign into voluntary programs ($) in order to be released, or they extend their hold. The whole thing is a travesty.
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Trump Derangement Syndrome addition to the definition of mental illness
Authors (5)Lucero ; Drazkowski ; Wesenberg ; Eichorn ; GruenhagenActions
Separated ChronologicalSenate
03/17/2025 Introduction and first reading
Intro
03/17/2025 Referred to Health and Human ServicesMy first thought when reading this is….
We’re mere weeks away from martial law.
My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?
A fair ask.
Yeah, preposterous bills written with no intention to actually pass have been part of the game for quite some time.
I guess the crazy part is that now you have to check up on them.
I think the other hand is telling every other appendage to make a bunch of noise while it loots the country to answer your question.
Relevant Wikipedia Page Political Abuse of Psychiatry
