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Summary
Finland has declined a U.S. request to export eggs amid a severe American shortage caused by bird flu.
The Finnish Poultry Association cited the lack of prior trade agreements and complex regulatory hurdles. Even if exports were possible, Finland’s limited egg production would not significantly impact the U.S. crisis.
Other European nations, including Sweden and Denmark, also face difficulties meeting U.S. demand, while Europe grapples with its own egg shortages.
The U.S. has turned to countries like Turkey and the Netherlands for supplies as bird flu remains a global issue.
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This egg trade is insane, not a single euro country could help USA here simply because the us has a 340m+ population and that being said, it would take the entire eu support/ supply in order to meet the demand of the USA
Don’t know how it is in Europe, but here in Canada we have marketing boards to ensure that we’re always producing more food supply than needed. Because it’s kinda bad to have less food than needed, so we want to have a little bit of margin to ensure that doesn’t happen. BTW this is why food is a contentious trade issue with the US, we don’t want to be dependent on food production that has no safety margin.
Anyway, it’s very possible countries are producing more than they need and could supply the US with the excess. It may not meet all of the demand in the US, but it would help bring down the price a bit. Yes the prices wouldn’t be the same as it was before the Avian flu outbreaks, but it would be lower than it is now.
It’s something that could happen if Trump didn’t burn all the goodwill with all of the allies of the US. According to Trump “We don’t need anything they have.” So you will pay more for things, because Trump thinks you don’t need them.
It would take a sacrifice from EU countries to help an “ally” whose leadership will then threaten them, put more tariffs and make unfair deals when is your turn to request help.
“Okay, but you have to become the 20th province of Finland.”
I accept Finland’s terms. Now that I’m a Finnish citizen, I would like to move to the country proper.
now you can go to the doctor without losing your home!
…And just like that, Finland now shares a border with Russia on both sides of the globe. I’m sure the Finns are great friends with Russia, so Russia has no reason to worry that the vast military arsenal of the former USA is theirs now.
Also, does this mean the president of the former USA will be punished for his crimes? I’m not familiar with Finnish law, but it has to be better than ours.
Also, does this mean the president of the former USA will be punished for his crimes? I’m not familiar with Finnish law, but it has to be better than ours.
This was my hope, too!
The US doesn’t technically have a land border with russia, but they’re only seperated by the narrow Bering strait
Yeah, that’s why I just said a border. True, it’s 51 miles of water, but it not like that’s a hard thing to cross over.
I for one welcome our Finnish overlords.
First you have to learn proper Finnish swearing. For that I suggest “My summer car” on steam. As proof you’ll have to get all achievements.
Perkele, kun vituttaa tämä helvetin krapula, mutta jumalauta, pitäähän sitä silti saatanan kauniina kesäpäivänä mennä pihalle perseilemään ja hitto soikoon, nauttia elämästä—vaikka päässä jyskyttää kuin paholaisen pikkuserkku vetäisi siellä Lordia rumpusoololla.
I accept!
Peska perkele vittu.
I’ll book my flight.
I suggest “My summer car” on steam. As proof you’ll have to get all achievements.
Vain Windowssa perkele
How about we introduce export tariffs on eggs instead.
Over 9000% tariffs
I’m sure the Finns aren’t exactly keen to take a price hike on eggs to meet a hostile country’s needs.
The Finnish Poultry Association cited the lack of prior trade agreements and complex regulatory hurdles.
Such an understated way of saying: you started a trade war, now go fsck yourself!
The US has a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada and it still means shit to him
If only there were regulations that kept these diseases at bay. Certainly our corporate farms will always spend the money and effort to prevent things themselves though.
Not sure if it’s true but I read some place that because America has fewer and much larger farms it affects more birds on a farm. In Canada we have smaller (compared to us) size farms and more of them. Meaning a farm losing all its birds does not hit us as hard.
Distributed Birding. 🐔
Maybe you shouldn’t put all your eggs in one basket.
Federated Chickens
trump is going to tariff finland now because “wahh”
This mental image popped into my head, after reading your comment. Now you get to enjoy it too, wAaHhh!
Good for Finland.
Bird flu is the nature’s way of saying how cruel and fucked up the system is and how it should be abolished. Humans don’t need eggs for anything.
Yup, use chickpea water instead folks!
Be kind to the chickens.
Every country should avoid doing business with Trump’s regime because he will screw you over either way.
Trump still owes my county from his 2016 campaign. He rented out the fairgrounds for a rally and never paid up.
Your county officials made an unofficial donation to the trump campaign in 2016, is what actually happened.
Effectively, yeah. I’m still gonna complain tho, haha
Oh yeah, do complain! But it’s not like it was an accident, so be sure to complain about the right thing.
Did you say thanks ? No? Go lay your own…
This is what happens when you burn all your bridges. I’m American myself and to be brutally honest, I hope most of the free world will continue to refuse requests to export to us.
Sure. But the American empire will not just slowly die. As their people lose their “toys” that distract them they will need someone to blame it on that isn’t the US government.
This will at some point be other western nations along with their current scapegoat of immigrants and Palestine supporters. The American empire will use its military power long before it just lets it’s empire die. Its playing cards to see which nations it can blame first and which western allies will decide to align with them rather than face their military.
I agree with all the anti American boycotts. I do. But I don’t think people realize exactly where that is heading on a world stage.
I suspect more people than you think realise this is a potential outcome.
Assuming it boils over before there is another election (also assuming that’s a thing that happens), military action is 100% a playable card.
It’s a toddler with a nuclear tantrum button.
It’s honestly not that much different in type than most nuclear powered nations.
The difference is “absolute last resort, and only maybe then” vs “they won’t let me annex Greenland and are being mean to me”
Hyperbolic ofc, but illustrative.
What are the reasonable good alternatives though?
Maybe, I’m mostly just worried that the western world is fueling nationalism with these tariff wars. The “good alternative” is understanding that the tariff’s are not a war between nations but a war on the working class. These tariff’s are paid by the working class. The good alternative is understanding that the working class of each of these countries SHOULD be fighting against the ruling classes of each nation. The ruling classes between nations being in “conflict” is a charade. No one in the ruling class cares of the consequences but only sees them as an opportunity to fuel nationalism and reactionary sentiment.
So, while I will agree with anti America and anti imperialism. I just think that the “buy European” or “by Canadian” are missing the forest for the trees. The ruling class of Canada or Europe are not fighting a war against America. They are worsening the material conditions of their working class (in response to the Americans doing so) in order to maintain the profits of the ruling class of their nations.
It is absolutely ignorant to think that Canada or Europe or any other capitalist nation is fighting for the interest of their working class. They are fighting for the interest of their ruling class and will use nationalism to justify the worsening conditions we all face.
TLDR: This is not a war between nations but a war between class. (I know Marxist cliche but read it if you want more than that.)
In Canada, a somewhat Trump inspired populist right leaning party had 100% of winning the next election.prediction markets had it at 93%.
since the beginning of Trumps tarring stacks, the center left party had surged in popularity to a degree not even thought possible. If the election was today, they would win.
Trump is giving people somebody to rally against. And the “us” vs “them” is the the world vs the US.
A worldwide revolution in which everyone unites against the “ruling class” isn’t a viable alternative in and of itself, that’s like saying “world peace”.
An example of an alternative would be something which could fill in the blank in this sentence and make sense.
“Don’t boycott products/companies, that isn’t how you achieve your goal, what you should be doing is <BLANK>”
This is not a war between nations but a war between class
The issue i have with this isn’t that it’s a marxist cliche (i’ll take your word on that, I’ve no idea) it’s that it presents a false dichotomy in which a class war and a national war can’t both be occurring at the same time.
yeah, it sucks, I wish we had this cheap protein, but, like… americans need to suffer. they need to suffer, and they need to know it’s their leader’s fault.
The suffering is almost a guarantee, but I’m not holding my breath on anyone that doesn’t already do so holding Trump accountable for shit.
unlike the more severe accountable shit like getting people to murder their own children with pox for the cause, the eggs thing is something that allows people to reverse course, and in fact makes it easier. this might genuinely be the largest threat to the regime.
They need to know it’s their fault. They elected him, either through action or inaction.
Then they need to do some introspection to figure out what the fuck is wrong with them.
But they won’t because America doesn’t do that. 9/11, for example, had nothing to do with anything America had done.
what happened on the ninth of november?
Explain to me like I’m 5… Can we not just stop butchering chickens for few days and get them to lay eggs to “catch” up? Or are those chickens too far removed from normal chickens that they no longer lay eggs?
They’re being killed because of the avian flu pandemic that’s currently going on. Dead poultry generally doesn’t lay eggs.
You still have legumes available.
of course lemmy suggests beans.
The vegan suggests beans.
clever gambit. how long were you vegan to pull this off with deniability? will you go back to meat, or stay under cover?
it’s not the worst reason to go vegan. I’ve done much more inconvenient and unethical things for a bit.
Consider the 🥜
Key thing to bear in mind is that we think of “chicken” as a single animal, but industrial farming has selectively bred chickens into very different camps.
Meat chickens grow very big very quickly, and are killed for meat long before adulthood. You’d need to pause production a long enough time for them to grow into adulthood, then they would eventually lay eggs, but at a much slower rate than egg chickens, and requiring a lot more food (because of how big they are)
plus, the eggs they lay would not be egg chickens. they would be eating chickens. and all of them are dying en masse to the flu.
and chickens lay whether the eggs are fertilized or not. kinda like how humans menstruate, but, like, much bigger, and we eat it even if we don’t think they’re cute.
Chickens are cheap to house and feed, more people should become familiar with where their food comes from and get a handful.
I have a neighbor that raises them for her eggs. Every time they wander onto my property I turn the hose on them
Any particular reason?
I bet you could get some free eggs out of the deal if you were a bit more neighborly.
Because she doesn’t keep them in her own chicken run for one. She has some other personal issues that also put me off.
The feed costs like 100 times more than you would spend on equivalent eggs.
And also they don’t lay eggs in winter. So you’re gonna be slaughtering them too.
Feed costs like $10/50lb bag and lasts about a month, in that time I can get between 150-200 eggs, 150 eggs / 12 = 12.5 dozen, 12 dozen eggs at * $3 = $36 worth of eggs; not 100 times more at all.
That’s before you even start eating them. They can lay during the winter but they do stop laying when they’re about 5 so after that it might be dumplings time.
Think about it, if it weren’t economical to raise chickens and sell the eggs nobody would do it. It’s a business because it can make money. They’re one of the easiest, cheapest animals to raise and care for and a great source of protein.
I used to raise chickens for eggs. They lay eggs in winter if you have a proper coop. In the summer we had a coop that could be moved. It had wheels and we would move it to a different spot every few days allowing the chicken to forage bugs. It really helped out the yard as well. I would still be doing that if I lived in a place where I could.
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Not even close.
The US is no longer a member of the ‘free world’. Traveling to US now is just as dangerous as travelling to China.
Now I might be naive or plain wrong, but I tell you completely honestly, that I would always have been more concerned for my safety travelling to the US than China.
Naturally, one would steer away from discussing politics or behaving in ‘concerning’ ways in China - for example filming government buildings.
But, I have never felt I’d be in any danger doing average tourist stuff in China. I’ve been there twice, to more rural parts as it happens, and felt safe: People friendly, no edge.
US on the other hand… I admit I’ve barely visited to transfer flights, but the idea of being let loose in the US is considerably more challenging for me. Knowing that everyone is potentially armed, that trigger happy police are everywhere, there are high racial tensions, drugged up homeless etc.
This was truly my impression even before Trump was ever a household name.
Is it surprising to Americans that a Brit would genuinely feel that way around about the two countries? I don’t know. It doesn’t seem controversial to me, but then I read Americans talking about China as though it’s some scary place for them.
At least in China the likelihood of you getting gunned down by either police or some drunkard is significantly lower than US. As for other problem like scam or pickpocket or government overreach for some opinion, you won’t ever need to worry if you follow some common sense and common travelling tips. Authoritarian government like CCP treat traveller better than local.
I respect this, as an American. We should be focusing on buying American goods. And sometimes that means there are going to be shortages and limits on natural resources. But I’m not upset by it either. I’d prefer to buy local or buy American in general, and trust that it’s all been done by employers who use E-Verify (so that all employees are legal and being paid a legal wage), where our labor laws are enforced.
I wouldn’t be willing to buy imported eggs. I’m barely willing to buy imported produce, and seek to avoid it when possible.
Nah that’s a bad idea, we should embrace international cooperation. Globalism will actually deliver your cheap eggs instead of lying about it like national socialism did.
Who has the cards?
Did they even say thanks just once?
