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One ended up with the displacement of scientists and academics, the other, with soydevs and dei loonies with BS degrees in social sciences.
That is indeed what scientist look like to science deniers
Chud: “Dei killed science, i want real science done”
Scientist: " Can i have money to study cancer "
Chud: “Lol fuck off , trans mice , gay frogs , cmemicals in water”
the funding is exactly like that, needs funding, but said “funders, dont want to admit that it is a human caused issue,”
Smoking , oil industry and clinate change , sugar industry and fat … its a bit of capitalism problem imo
How are you this disconnected?
It’s a gift
*grift
You certainly aren’t wrong there.
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FAFO
Que Wierd Al- “Dare to be stupid”
US will make Europe great again lmao
Gather up your queens and kings. Time to make some more!
Not in America. Here, anyone can be a total asshole billionaire and purchased the entire country’s political system if they so want.
Please please, also run to Canada, were closer by
I’m worried that if there’s war you guys will be affected as well. Running further seems more reasonable.
Or just. Everyone stop running please. When does the running stop? You eventually have to make a stand somewhere it’s either you or future generations paying this price. If you benefited enough to get out, stay and help others do the same.
And do what, exactly?
When Albert Einstein fled Germany, he made the right choice too
What to do? I don’t know, what the rest of us are doing, figuring it out. They’re the smart ones, right? Yep, Einstein sure did make the right choice. Let’s think this through then. Who are the people actively being persecuted like Einstein? It’s not a hard guess: Palestinians, their supporters, anyone from the global south, or anyone with brown skin. Don’t worry, they’re actively deporting these people. They’re not trying to run, they’re just keeping their heads down trying to survive. Because your country doesn’t want any of us unskilled workers either. The vast, vast majority of people trying to get out are not going to be listed above. And if they are? I don’t blame them, get out. But to compare Einstein to people with degrees leaving because they’re afraid like the rest of us is absurd to the point of being offensive.
stay and do what? scientist cant get funding or jobs, when its being systemically attacked? scientists have always been cognizant and smart enough to go where they can have a chance of a normal life. you’re basically saying a jewish person should stay and fight nazis in ww2. the only ones that are staying are to naive to leave.
So when do you stop running
When you break a leg and they put you down.
What?
Horses are often thought of as symbols of running wild/ free/ fast. They are also often euthanized when they break a leg.
Ah ok, thanks
If Einstein did this he would’ve died in the Holocaust.
Right. Well. Good thing you’re not Einstein or a Jewish person in Nazi Germany, or I would not have advised you to stay. Such a straw man, avoiding responsibility even in your arguments.
I think I’d go to China if I could. I feel like the US is gonna fuck over it’s allies first.
So you’ll be conditioning yourself ahead of time?
As someone that supports Palestine I think my odds are significantly less likely of getting black bagged in China than in the US.
US just making people disappear without due-process right now but western brain still thinks “China is the real dystopia”
Read about the plight of the Uyghurs in China. If you support the Muslims in China, you will end up in a CCP sponsored mobile organ donor chop bus.
In the US making people disappear without due process is news, in China it’s a daily occurrence.
Yeah. But the difference in China is the people that get disappeared are billionaires that started criticisming the government too much. Id rather we disappear some billionaires here. Instead of brown people protesting a genocide.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Peng_Shuai
She stopped existing in 30 min.
She didn’t disappear mate. She’s made several public appearances since. Literally read the article. She just disappeared from social media. There is no evidence she was “taken”.
Was she censored heavily upon making accusations? Absolutely. But censored is not “being disappeared”. Do you think this is the same as taking people to a prison in another country with zero due process?
You have a highly idealistic perspective on China. This isn’t to say that things are lerfect in Europe or North America - they most definitely aren’t. But it is to say that two things can be true at the same time, i.e., there are growing issues in the West and China has a highly oppressive regime.
There is a natural temptation to whitewash and exxagerate the good in other times and places, especially ones that are directly juxtaposed to the one you are inhabiting and are critical toward.
However, we must resist these temptations lest we doom ourselves to repeat the same mistake over and over.
It’s just if you say a single thing positive about China that you get 20 replies about tank man or reeducation camps. No one cares to have a conversation about the thing you said about China they just spew state department talking points.
It’s like if I said something about the US being pretty good with gay rights (for now at least) and then people started saying: Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, MOVE bombing, George Floyd, GITMO, etc.
But you are the only reasonable reply here. I don’t disagree with much of what you said. I just think the backlash to saying anything positive about China while the US is literally going full 1939 is just completely disconnected. More so than any China idealizing would ever be.
Never heard of the Xinjiang concentration camps? In China it’s also mostly brown people who criticize the government who are disappeared, the billionaires are the exceptions that make the news.
The USA might be getting worse, but it’s still a far cry from China.
china loves westerners, its good pr and propaganda for them.
unironically, the best PR for China recently was Rednote when TikTok was gonna be banned. Literally just Americans and Chinese people on the same social media platform was pretty fun. Lots of light hearted shit from both countries people for a week.
1945-1959: Same as 1930s but the scientist guy is also a Nazi (and Hitler has a bullet hole lmao)
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If only there was something the American people could do about this.
But they’re holding signs up‽
That’s how Americans exercise their 2nd amendment outside of their schools.
You really don’t want us pulling out the ammo box. There’s a good reason we are still trying the soap and jury boxes. Every single time we pull out the ammo box, as a people, the entire world is affected. We don’t really like that.
If you wear a pink shirt, it shows you’re extra super serious.
its true in some sense, if the pay goes out the window for scientist they will flee. theres already problems in the us getting people from undergrad to PHD(thats besides the current attack on it). such as wet lab work prior to graduation, plus who can even apply to grad school, if you dont have barely just to be under the requirements of grad schools. job prospects is low.
also grad school is more expensive since its not considered undergrad courses, and they charge more and you get no priority in classes. the biggest is wet lab work, where do you find it, catch 22
“intelligent people” are usually the first ones to be jailed or killed, and then they move on to blame POCs, and than other minorities.
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never occurred to me how close x is to the swastika :)
$ man ascii | awk '/X$/ {print $7}' 88B = 66 I = 73 L = 76 L = 76 G = 71 A = 65 T = 84 E = 69 S = 83 I = 1 I = 1 I = 1 Total = 666
Though that one didn’t age as well, he’s a pretty nice guy these days.
he’s a pretty nice guy these days.
Probably to not get beheaded when someone finally starts working down the Epstein buddy list. Plus I hear the whole philanthropy thing was Melinda’s idea anyway.
Ye a swastica is an X with extra steps
“Scientists” bouncing between fascists in a losing attempt to preserve privilege.
And by privilege you mean access to basic freedom and the pursuit of knowledge.
Most scientists are underpaid and overworked.
And demonized. No country hates scientists more than America. The average American cherry picks their science and treat science that goes against their preconceived notions as conspiracies, but jump at the chance to defend their favorite corporations like you attacked family. It’s disgusting.
Couple centuries of propaganda and pseudoscience does that to people
I’m super curious why you put scientists in quotes. I literally can’t figure out what that’s supposed to imply.
Makes me wanna cry
They skipped the part where after the war we took the nazi scientists too…
But the old nazis were really into science, modern nazis not so much.
I don’t think other countries are going to be chasing our science deniers like we chased rocket and medical scientists after the war.
Operation Paperclip
modern nazis not so much
“Best we can offer is video gaming and saying slurs online.”
*pretend to be good at video games
You don’t think Europe wants our 19 year old whiz kids whose laptops overheat from processing excel files?
I think the big disconnect with that is government laptops…
If someone told me their government laptop caught fire when they joined a Teams call where two people had a camera on. I’d believe them.
But no government employee will tell you a story like that, because it is completely unremarkable and expected. It’s like a Park Ranger of 15 years losing his shit when he saw a squirrel…
If you’re used to using a gaming laptop to edit text files and suddenly you have to use a shitty $300 government issue laptop, it’s going to shock you.
But the solution to that is funding the government. I’m not a big Obama guy, but at least he gave agencies money for laptops. trump and Biden love cutting corners though, which just translates to paying people to watch a screen scroll by slower because of a slow laptop.
My CPU was mid range when I bought it five years ago and I use it process a 300gb+ database of price history. My day job is working jupyter notebooks hosted on raspberry pis. Not being able to process a 60000 row database is definitely a skill issue. Bad hardware should encourage good software.
I am absolutely of the opinion that good software is far more important than good hardware. Unfortunately modern hardware is so good that inefficient software gets a free pass.
Don’t get me wrong, they’re idiots.
But people are drastically underestimating how shitty government laptops are.
But what do I know? What’s decades of direct experience when someone online has a Jupiter laptop?!
Clearly you know more than anyone who actually deals with it
Speaking of, it’s my mom’s b’day coming up, you clearly know more than me so what would a thoughtful and bespoke gift be?
Get her a Thinkpad with 64 GB of ram and a server-class CPU that blasts enough heat to make the laptop hover. That’s what I had the last time I worked on a project for the government. Company took it back though 😞
Flowers, her favorite unless her favorite is roses then go for something nice and in season. If you have the time bake her homemade cookies as well.
The issue with your comments are not how bad government laptops are.
The issue seems to be you don’t understand how little work processing even a million rows is.
Yeah. Who needs decades of experience when people on the internet know better?
Not like it’s ironic people people are doing the same thing Elon is or anything…
Dude, I have fucking decades of experience. Enough to know that you’re full of shit.
Like … Some stranger on the internet claiming absolutely stupid shit, and solely coming back to an argument based solely on self-reported authority. Self-reported authority that is obviously a lie based upon your claim.
Mate, I’ve worked with government computers. A dacade old, take a half hour to boot up, a lag time of a few minutes to open files. The problem with what Elon’s “expert” said is that 1. 60k rows of data is nothing, even for a computer like that. It wouldn’t fail on that much data, even on decade-old computers. And 2. If something were to fail on that computer, it wouldn’t be that the hard drive overheated. Even if the hard drive got hot, it would just slow things down, not prevent data access or stop a query.
My personal guess is this: The kid started a query on a table of a few million records. Not a lot, but enough to make a very poorly optimized query take a decent bit of ttime to run on trash hardware. Most databases put timeouts on connections as to not let a runaway query run forever. I’m guessing that after like, 20 minutes or so (pretty high for a cutoff, but if they are expecting garbage computers to be running these queries it could make sense) it times out, returning the partial result of the query. “Expert” thinks that his laptop overheated because the laptop is in fact hot.
Idk. If it’s your mum that you take after, you can get her nothing and let her make the excuses for your failure.
I don’t think other countries are going to be chasing our science deniers like we chased rocket and medical scientists after the war.
Well…hopefully they’ll get chased. Just not for the same reasons.
Don’t think you white folk don’t realise Europe has no real power anymore and shifting to facism. America has military hegemony, but not science or manufacturing, and again falling to facism and corporations.
Real power is moving to where stuff is getting made and leaving thode with bullshit over inflation like Tesla, or many other stocks. The current center of economic power has moved closer and closer to where it was 500 years ago.
The EU has the second biggest economy in the world and contains 3 of the G7 nations (4 if you include the UK, which will almost certainly pivot back to EU membership in the next few years). All member states are part of NATO and France, Germany and the UK possess a significant nuclear arsenal.
But yeh, no real power.
PS 500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.
500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.
Ps, you’re so confidently wrong. 1525 the economic powers of the world were India and china https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-worlds-economic-center-of-gravity-2012-6
Here’s a nice graphic to make it easy for your Eurocentric mind to comprehend
second biggest economy
Bud how put of date your knowledge is? You from the 90s? Name the top 5 in order of GDP? Go ahead. Please. I know you’re speaking of Germany but please try and back it up it in 2025 that they are the second biggest economy lmao
Also is Europe getting richer, is American or European manufacturing improving? No, it’s going towards china, towards India, towards Africa. Europe became rich because of hundreds of years of exploitation and another 100 years of soft power to ensure cheap resources than be taken to Europe/America, produce high quality and sent back. Problem is, the world is now able to do a lot of it itself and Asia can make everything it needs and give to all other Asian and African Nations.
Military threat, yeah, 100% that’s all Europe has, that’s how you become rich was bombing and exploiting others. But the suprise factor is gone, nobody trusts you guys, look at the trade map, you think you’re gonna challenge this?
1525 the economic powers of the world were India and china https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-worlds-economic-center-of-gravity-2012-6
that is a fascinating map; i noticed that despite making projections about 2025 the date of that post is actually 2012; Business Insider attributes it to McKinsey, but via ZeroHedge (who charges for access to their archives).
I wanted more context so I spent a few minutes searching; in case anyone else is curious it comes from a report called “Urban world: Cities and the rise of the consuming class” by McKinsey Global Institute.
Here is their summary of it, and here is the 92 page PDF of the full report.
here is MGI's 'economic center of gravity' methodology
The center of gravity analysis is based on country-level historical estimates from Angus Maddison for the period AD 1 until 2007, and country-level growth rates from Cityscope 2.0 until 2025. We then allocated each country’s GDP value to the approximate center of landmass of the respective country. The same center of each country was used throughout the entire time frame. To calculate the global center of gravity, landmass radian coordinates were transformed into Cartesian coordinates with a tool from the UK Ordnance Survey that uses ED50/ UTM data and projection (see www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps). We then transformed these coordinates into respective momentums and averaged these to a true economic center of gravity for each year, located within the sphere of the earth. To illustrate the shift of gravity, we lengthened the vectors from the center of the earth to the center of gravity so that they lie on the earth’s surface. Although the concept of “surfacing” might create problems for interpreting data, both the resulting direction and the magnitude of the surfaced shifts were directionally consistent with the internal shifts, too. The four periods with the fastest shift, 2000–10, 1940–50, and 2010–25, maintain the same rank order, while the 1500–1820 period ranks 11th on surface but eighth on the “true” center of gravity.
here is what they say about ~500 years ago
Until 1500, Asia was the center of gravity of the world economy, accounting for roughly two-thirds of global GDP. But in the 18th and 19th centuries, urbanization and industrialization vaulted Europe and the United States to prominence. We are now observing a decisive shift in the balance back toward Asia—at a speed and on a scale never before witnessed. China’s economic transformation resulting from urbanization and industrialization is happening at 100 times the scale of the first country in the world to urbanize—the United Kingdom—and at ten times the speed (Exhibit E2).
but wait, *where* did they get that GDP data from?
They actually cite Angus Maddison’s Monitoring the World Economy 1820–1992 which doesn’t sound like something that goes to AD 1. It looks like Maddison also published The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective (currently only a limited preview on archive.org) in 2001, which this reproduces Appendix B of - which seems like probably their source:
World GDP, 20 Countries and Regional Totals, 1-2001 AD
I’m not sure how Geary–Khamis dollars (“a hypothetical unit of currency that has the same purchasing power parity that the U.S. dollar had in the United States at a given point in time”) are supposed to work for time periods prior to the existence of the United States, but i think I’ve spent enough time on this rabbit hole for now :)
Bravo on that deep dive, and thank you.
I know you’re speaking of Germany
Nope, they very clearly said The EU and not Germany, which is accurate. The EU is behind the US and in front of China in GDP, firm second place.
What’s up with .ml users being shit with reading comprehension?
They’re obviouslt just spitting vitriol in response what is perceived as a threat to their identity. Which apparently is the notion that someone somewhere might beattempting to live free and joyously while also being reflexive about past mistakes.
The audacity of those darned European! If I’m not happy, then nobody should!
The Ottoman Empire would like to have a word with you.
Germany doesn’t have its own nukes yet. The nukes in Germany are operated by the US.
So many Euro simps on Lemmy. It’s like a circle jerk for Europe on here for some reason. Which is kinda proving your own point around the growing fascism (Nationalism) in Europe. This time it seems to be Fascism fueled by a “European” identity alongside a “German or Italian” identity. Though state nationalism is growing it seems to be growing along with EU nationalism.
It’s very much fueled by anti immigrant (primarily anti Arab) sentiment. The most obvious of which is Germany. A country that has a national identity built around guilt for the Holocaust but at the same time pretending that they have some unobtainable (by others) perspective on Antisemitism. Which ironically is fueling modern day Antisemitism against Arabs in Germany.
Germany is literally repeating it’s antisemitic past by blindly supporting Israel and blaming Arab immigrants for all its problems. Literally supporting a Jewish Supremacists Ethnostate that models much of Nazi Germany in it’s oppression of Palestine.
Germany is just an example. But a lot of Europe (Poland being another strong example) is absolutely diving head first into the fascist pool. I don’t see how anyone paying attention could disagree with much of what you said.
Edit: Downvoted but not a single reply addressing anything I said. Enjoy your Fascism Europe. You’re going the same way as the US whether you are opening your eyes to it or not.
Careful, your complexes are overspilling.
Germany and Poland are two of your examples. Are there any other examples? Please, anyone reply with as many real examples as you can and want. I think Italy is one? Please confirm. 🥲
You sure as hell cherry pick as much as you desire don’t you?
We don’t simp for Europe.
We are Europe.
Stop thinking the world revolves around you bud.
I just keep getting replies like this with zero substance. Just Europeans saying “I’m wrong”. Enlighten me. In what way did I think the world revolved around me? I literally was just talking about actual things happening in Europe. Seriously, tell me what part of my comment was at all self centered? Sounds like you’re just projecting.
Also, yeah, you can be a European simp AND be European. They often go hand in hand. That and hating Arabs and Eastern Europeans. All these substanceless replies are just proving my point of European supremacy and nationalism that is exploding in the EU.
How dare I point out the racism of Germany and it’s support for genocide. How dare I! I’m so self centered!
Alright then a question of substance, what the hell is Antisemitsm towards Arabs supposed to mean?
Good question. Appreciate it.
The term “Semetic” comes from the Eugenics categories that originated in the 20th century. It actually has racist roots that popularized the term in Nazi Germany. There were people that proudly proclaimed to be “anti-Semitic”.
Semetic was a term to describe people of a “race” from the Semetic regions. These were categorized as people that spoke Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic languages. Basically people from modern day Arab countries and Israel.
Now, the Nazis viewed Jews as “Ungerman” even though they absolutely were German people. The Jews in Germany had lived their for centuries and spoke German and Yiddish (a variant of German enough to be considered a different language). Again, the Germans viewed Yiddish as a “Semetic” corruption of the German language.
So when the Nazis said they were “Antisemitic” they were categorizing German Jews as “not belonging” and associating them with the “Semetic” region.
It was basically a way of categorizing the German Jews as outsiders in order to associate them with Arabs and the “Semetic” people.
Because of the history of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust the term “antisemitic” has evolved to basically mean “anti Jewish” today. Even though it was originally a term to “otherize” German Jews and categorize them with Arabs. It fed on the existing racism towards outsiders and categorized German Jews as such.
So when I said “Antisemitism against Arabs” I was referencing this history. As Arabs are by definition “Semetic” people.
The same type of “otherizing” of Arabs and Muslims in Germany is being done today. But this time the focus is not on Jews. But these are the same structures of racism and Fascism that existed in 1930s Germany. And there is no reason for Jewish people not to be categorized as “others” again as this fascist history repeats itself.
Go back to reddit ffs :D
Ayyyy. Some good ol’ Chinese shill. On our Lemmy. What an amazing day to be alive.
I’m an ignorant American, what’s the significance of the bull/ox?
That woman on the bull is Europa (Ancient Greek Εὐρώπη, Eurṓpē), daughter of the Phoenician king Agenor, lived about 2000 BCE. The bull is the shapeshifted Zeus that is kidnapping Europa. They had sex and sired Minos, king of Crete. Minos is the one who feed the Minotaur by sending children into its labyrinth.
Yeah Greek mythology is weird.
The bull that fathered the Minotaur was not Zeus, it was a gift by Poseidon who expected king Minos to sacrifice the bull to Poseidon. The king kept the gift and sacrificed another bull, Poseidon got pissed and had the king’s wife screw the bull, giving birth to the Minotaur.
O Gabriel, now dawns thy reckoning, and thy gore shall GLISTEN before the temples of Man!
Wait, I thought the minotaur was the son of the king of Minos’ wife? Did gods do double-damage on his bloodline?
Anything with a pulse really. And probably some things without.
You are correct, the bull that sired the Minotaur was not Zeus, and Europe was not the mother. That’s a different bull-queen pair.
Well that is a healthy family for sure
You know, I watched that show Netflix canceled, with Jeff Goldblum, and so I’m like, hey, that’s right! Sure, could’ve paid attention in school, but better Nate than lever.
Kaos was sooooooo good. Netflix is really doing shit.
Why the fuck did netflix cancel season 2 of Kaos??
lol a minute ago I wasn’t even aware of this show and now I’m annoyed it’s been cancelled. sounds like jist the thing for me
it’s in the terms of service agreement; you agree that they can use telemetry to determine what you like and whenever they detect that you like a show they will cancel it immediately.
Not cancelled by christian fundamentalist who complained that no one should recognise any other god but theirs?
Probably because I share accounts with people and they’re doing it to spite me.
Kaos is the show you’re thinking of.
The Longest Joke in the World is the Nate and lever reference (well worth the read).
For anyone who can’t wait for the ending:
It was his sled from when he was a kid. There, I just saved you two long, boobless hoursThanks, for some reason I was thinking Cronos, I dunno.
And yeah, I remember reading that joke what feels like 20 years ago at this point, someone put it in the ebaums forums, took like 20 separate posts because of char limits, and I couldn’t stop telling the joke to people after that, it’s just too perfect.
EU - “Nation States”
Thanks! I just googled it and it mentioned “Europa and the bull” representing unity and peace.
We could definitely use some of that, but unfortunately we just get a bunch of what the bull leaves behind instead… :/
Is X the new swastika?
Yes.
$ man ascii | awk '/X$/ {print $7}' 88It’s actually XYZ
X is the American fascists
Z are the Russian fascists
Y is what you keep asking
What about Israel fascists?
Lol… the comparison is ridiculous.
Why do you think so? I know post docs basically only looking for jobs outside of the US, and several friends who got funding for grad or summer students cancelled, and know if one case getting pressure to change titles of dissertation to better align with the administration stance.
Science is getting hit hard here, the damage is done, and this could take decades to recover from. And that’s assuming things are able to shift back to where things were.
You’re not going to get an answer, at least not one based on logical tangible reality. If there was one it would have been addended to the comment to support the accusation to actually try and make a convincing argument in good faith. This is not that. The assumption is that you will know exactly what they’re talking about and upvote blindly in solidarity, sort of like a dog whistle, signaling to those who also listen to same right wing propaganda.
I know this exact same kind of comment by instinct because many years ago I too left those kinds of comments when I was an insufferable alt right assclown, and you will see it everywhere on any subject in any place where right wingers start showing up - the YouTube comment sections of certain channels, certain subreddits, all over Facebook, or god forbid you have ever bore witness to one of the most deplorable dregs of the internet: news article comment sections, when they were still a thing.
I actually wrote most of this out before looking at the profile because I was so confident, and after doing so for due diligence, I can confirm my suspicions. And if you unfortunately are forced to spend any time around right wingers, this kind of thing is common in their daily conversation. I shit you not I once heard someone blame an intermittent power outage on “the globalists”, and the others nodded their head in solidarity of outrage with zero evidence. It was a connection issue from the complex to the power lines, a transformer that needed to be replaced, as clarified by the utility company an hour later.
glad you escaped - team ‘logical tangible reality’ needs all the help it can get
Seems legit
How so?
Hopefully my dubstep / riddim geniuses come over 🥹
But I guess Canada will be the hotspot of that genere, still
