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Well 50 cents are enough for cathy to forget her mathy
The fact that Cathy has a blue check mark proves Twitter is fucking stupid.
Well it doesn’t mean what it used to anymore. Now you just pay for a subscription and you get it. Hell, I don’t know why you ever thought the check mark pre-Musk ever meant anything other than somebody’s identity being verified as true judging by what you’re saying… Never meant that their opinions were Twitter approved or whatever.
The blue check went through some twists and turns. Originally it was meant as “your identity is verified”, then it became a status symbol, then it had extra features attached to it. At one point the people approving them were literally taking bribes to expedite or guarantee your blue check (like personal bribes, not a payment to Twitter). And at some point along the way it somehow became a “Twitter approves” thing, because at least one person had their blue check stripped for going too far as a right wing troll (Milo Yianno-whatever). All of that pre-Muak.
Post-Musk, it’s just a subscription you pay for with some extra features and there’s now a different checkmark for corporate or government entities that merely verifies their identity.
There are two schools of thought:
Those who want as good life as possible, and Those who want to have a better life than everyone else, no matter what.
Cathy do the mathy. Missed opportunity
“Rising waters lifts all ships”, Cathy. Ever heard of it?
“This is my water! You go float on your own water!”
It’s worse.
It’s “I’ll have you rising my water thank you, but I refuse to concede anything that could help you.”
They make 1337? Are you sure it’s not $31337 because that would be elite.
Much better than a measly THX 1138.
I love how one person cites a statistic, and another person just dismisses it as false because of their anecdotal experience.
Part of the problem is that statistics can be abused. It takes a reasonable amount of training to be able to differentiate between reliable statistics and potentially dodgy. Even worse, we are often presented with them, striped or context.
The best solution is to teach people how to both spot problems and seek reliable data. The proper meaning of “do your own research”. Unfortunately, a significant chunk just give up with them and only trust their gut.
Typically, statistics are abused by politicians/partisan hacks who take data from reliable sources and lie/spin it to their narrative. The thing is, the average Fox News viewer with a HS diploma isn’t going to dig any deeper. And I wouldn’t say they trust their gut… they trust the propaganda narrative.
When Trump and Vance said immigrants were eating people’s dogs and cats, they just nodded their empty heads… you can’t teach someone like that to engage reason.
statistics can be abused
They can be abused, by people who understand statistics talking to people who don’t understand statistics. This is a good reason to learn statistical methods rather than reject them.
There are levels of abuse, some blatant, some subtle. Leading questions are obvious, when you have the question asked. Publishing bias is difficult to spot, even for trained scientists looking for it.
Learning about statistical methods isn’t enough. People need to be taught how to weigh the data presented against the value of misleading them.
It’s a subsection of logical reasoning, and needs to be taught as part of an integrated whole.
If these people were good at critical thinking, they wouldn’t have these stupid fucking opinions to begin with.
My thoughts exactly. And how I love this complete dismissal style with the “False.” at the beginning, that has established itself online. it’s a perfect giveaway for " now my personal but universal opinion, also called Truth bomb, is going to destroy your statement" - which in my opinion is just extremely patronizing and never really true.
Especially when comparing your personal anecdotal experience with a fucking statistic.
Oh and nobody talks like that in real life, or at least the people that do start their verbal line of argument this way are idiots and everybody knows it.
False. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beats. Battlestar galactica.
And I’ve never heard of a contract that explicitly ties non-union workers’ pay to the union contact, but I’d be cheering the union guys on if they ever asked for a raise if that was the case.
That’s actually more common than you think. It’s not explicit.
My niece who works at a very popular coffee shop where some are unioned, the non-union ones get paid a bit extra and reminded on the daily about that benefit of higher pay for being non-unioned.
And my aunt works as a receptionist in a non-union hospital. Her counterparts in a union, when they went on strike and got a huge pay bump… She suddenly “mysteriously” got a pay bump aligned with it because the non-union hospital was afraid of employees unionizing (which secretly, they were).
It’s in the news that Starbucks does that
Sounds like every online platform ever.
Actually, that’s not true at all. This one time, I met a guy who…
False! Source: my ass
It was more like False, Source: this paper that says True.
Cite it
False! Source: (my ass, 2025, jerboa for lemmy)
Is that acceptable?
That’s good. I’m taking it haha
This is how most people think and see the world, which is why we (the US) are in the boat we’re in now. People don’t see the big picture if they never have to or aren’t taught how to think critically.
I think it’s a complicated problem. To start with, the studies are usually paywalled. If you can afford to purchase access, you still need the capacity to understand and parse the formal academic language. Most people have neither of those requirements, and have to rely on the media to report the statistics accurately, which doesn’t happen.
This leads to a situation where the media keeps trying to say, idk employment statistics are better than ever, and then everybody updates their mental blocklist to filter out the word ‘statistics’.
Not to mention most issues are extremely nuanced and complex, not something that can be accurately broken down into 5 second sound bits.
Almost as of by design of corporate overlords and billionaires. Almost as of billions of dollars and collective hate can’t fill the emptiness. Almost as if we should focus on healing everyone’s (including billionaires ')wounded inner child schisms and social divides may start healing. Maybe
Man I was sad as shit when Nina Turner lost. Bernie Sanders backed her up too.
I think she’s running again. I was at a UAW conference last week and Nina Turner spoke there. I think she’s trying to drum up support for another run.
I hope she doesn’t give up and wins this time
She was ahead by a wide margin until AIPAC threw its weight behind some traitor and that was that. AIPAC needs to be abolished.
Wow, that just threw me for a loop. I still remember the hits, like “Steamy Windows” or “We Don’t Need Another Hero”. But then, that was Tina Turner. Not Nina. 😅
Didn’t Nina Turner turn to the grift or am i thinking of someone else?
Tina Nurner?
I mean, did she or didn’t she? You’re heading us off with a Cavuto Mark, here.
We could’ve had Nina in DC if not for some corporate Dem’s wounded ego. It’s almost like we should work on healing egos instead of fracturing them with culture wars and id pol unless… That’s the point of culture wars and id pol. 🤷♀️ 💡
It was AIPAC money as well. That’s also why Cori Bush, Jamaal Bowman and Katie Porter aren’t in Congress any more.
Yes, the tail is wagging the dog. Removal of a gangrenous appendage is necessary to save the life.
Why does everything have to be sooo left or right?
Some unions are good, some are bad.
“Why do Unions have to be considered Left?”
Tell me you have no idea about the history of labor rights without telling me…
I’m not talking about the history, I’m talking about the present. And I was really talking more about the comments I was seeing. People acting like unions are totally this, or totally that.
Besides, I’ve been in 3 unions. 2 of them were bad, the union workers didn’t do anything for the members, and were literally taking all the dues paid them and wasting on themselves, like expensive vacations and buying expensive things. Both eventually were shut down. The 3rd one was much better, but a negative result of the union was members who should have lost their jobs due to poor work, not only keep their jobs, but get promotions before people who actually deserve it.
Not left or right, it’s up and down. Only one union is getting murderers and rapists off the hook. The rest are objectively good.
No idea what you are referring to.
Yep, I figured as much
A union getting rapists and murders off the hook is not what the image is about.
You do realize I was responding to someone else right? Like this isn’t a direct response to the image. There is context that you clearly didn’t see or understand.
You replied to me, so I assumed you were responding to me. And I guess I still haven’t seen another message that you would have been responding to. Just a mix up.
My bad for sounding rude.
I would argue that the problem with police unions is that they’re too good at what they do. They’ve managed to achieve a degree of militantism that rivals any black panther or international world worker.
A single, heavily armed, deeply insular and dogmatic, horrifyingly MAGA-pilled community of workers would be bad in any sector. But to make matters worse, police have this natural affinity with media that makes them the recipient of tons of free positive publicity.
Would that everyone could claim membership in a union this strong.
The issue is that the purpose of a union is to give power to the powerless, but police already have all the power. Their union makes them unstoppable.
police already have all the power
That’s a superficial analysis. Police departments and other military and paramilitary organizations need to extract their revenues through the bureaucracy of the state. Your municipal PD officer isn’t showing up at your house, hat in hand, and taking collections to fund his beat. He needs the comptroller to impose taxes and the financial sector to move the money and the administration to divvy it out to employees based on rank and tenure.
What’s more, the police require the consent of the public at large. Which means a friendly media and religious community, willing to legitimize their functions. The US occupation in Afghanistan failed, while the Taliban that replaced them consolidated control, because one set of police was seen as illegitimate and another seen as representative of the public will.
Their union makes them unstoppable.
Their union forms a foundation of mutual support and affords individual officers confidence in their security through collective action. But cops are notoriously lazy, stupid, and trigger-happy. When media turns on a police department and the administrative state peels away from them, these institutions disintegrate rapidly.
The reason you don’t see police chiefs walking into the offices of some Fortune 500 companies and announcing “I’m the billionaire now” is rooted in their vulnerability on these fronts.
Unions are meant to bargain against capital.
Capital is already on the side of police.
This is not nearly at complicated as your making it.
“your statistic is false because I have an anecdote” is literally the entire basis of the conservative understanding of science.
union workers don’t make more on average because I earn half a dollar more.
global warming isn’t happening because I brought a snowball.
vaccines cause death because my friend walked out of a clinic after a shot and got hit by a self driving tesla.
Global warming is a hoax, it’s cold in my basement today!
“conservative understanding”
Sounds like all conservatives are idiots or rather idiots are the ones who are politically conservative.it’s both. conservatism is both appealing to stupid people and it compounds stupidity.
It really is a kind of solipsism, emotional immaturity as a self-justifying worldview. Problems don’t exist until they impact me personally, repeat and nauseam.
vaccines cause death because my friend walked out of a clinic after a shot and got hit by a self driving tesla.
😂
Because I have an anecdote, and interpret it in the stupidest way possible, as exhibited in the OP
Together we bargain, alone we beg.
This needs to be on a fucking t-shirt.
Sure. Have your pro Union T-shirt. And what better place to buy it from than
https://www.amazon.com/Union-Workers-Bargain-Collectively-T-Shirt/dp/B08XHYS16W
Speacial offer for Prime Members: Order today and get to watch the first 30 Minutes of Fightclub Ad-free.
Because unions don’t have merch or produce anything they might want to promote amirite
Ah, might be my wired humor kicking in. I just found it hilarious to find that T-shirt on Amazon of all things. It’s like a Butcher selling Vegan cakes. Amazon is like the Anti-Thesis to Unions, but happy to make a buck selling the line.
It felt like a “discount etsy agitprop” moment to me. Just shows how ridiculous capitalis is, realy.
But than again, I am wired sometimes. My humour doesn’t always translate. Oh well.
When somebody insists, “X doesn’t matter because my salary depends on X,” it’s time to stop beating your head against a wall to teach them anything.
Nah, nah, you see - I had an excellent breakfast today. Clearly that means world hunger doesn’t exist! Checkmate, leftist!
Ew, a Twitter screenshot
I got higher at position as senior. But It wasn’t until I was able to join the Union that my income doubled. Year before I joined like in 2007 manager gave me a .10 raise. This shit is real.
