Just would like to have a discussion on the topic. I’ve purchased around 20ish movies/shows on Vudu, and my wife has grown to be unhappy with Vudu’s UI and especially how the watch progress works. I am curious what some others thoughts on this are. My initial thoughts are I recognize I’ve purchased a license to watch the content, but feel that because I’ve purchased it I should have the right to retain total control over it and do what I please. I would like to purchase movies on physical media from now on, but wouldn’t like to repurchase all the same movies and shows again when I’ve already paid for them
Personally, I feel the same way you do about DRM. If you’ve paid to own it, then it should be owned outright. With this in mind, I would say pirating them wouldn’t lose you any moral ground.
nothing is wrong with piracy
Is it wrong to pirate movies […] and load onto my Plex server?
no
May I ask for your reasoning?
Because you’ve purchased the movies ya dingus
The writers and actors are on strike right now, and if you pay for media before their strike is over, it makes it easier for Hollywood to profit off existing media, ignore the writers and actors, and starve the writers and actors out.
If you want to support writers and actors while they are on strike, so that Hollywood folds first, consider donating to
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WGAE members’ strike fund
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WGA Solidarity Assistance Fund (supports both East and West)
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Food and practical support for their picket lines
Numerous people ON the strike have debunked this, watching things made pre strike pays the actors and writers as well, just don’t consume post strike media.
Strike funds aren’t something you can debunk. And if they were being paid enough already, they wouldn’t be striking.
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I don’t see the problem, I see it as a personal backup of a media you legally licensed. Unless you resell the original without getting rid of the copy, or give a copy to someone who doesn’t own a license, it’s fair game.
Yeah that’s where I was kinda leaning since it’s just for my household’s use. Especially since I’ve already purchased it once.
It is never wrong to be a pirate.
Yeah it’s just for me personally I like to make sure I support the creators of the media I consume. Just what works for me.
Since you bought it, in theory you’ve supported the creators. Pirating it is 1000% fine in that case (or in any case)
In reality all the people who actually worked hard to make the film has been paid long before you bought it and the only creators getting the money are the owners of the companies. Unless you are buying from the creators source.
Since you’re talking about “wrong”, rather than “illegal”, you seem to approach this from a moral angle instead of a legal one. And when it comes to morality, that’s something you can only define for yourself.
Personally I don’t see any problems there, nor do I see a problem with pirating unlicensed content. If I would never have paid to watch a certain movie, the rightsholder doesn’t make a factual loss. They can cry about opportunity costs all day long, but if it’s not a “cinema vs. piracy” but a “piracy vs. nothing at all” discussion, it’s pretty much a moot point.
Yeah I know it’s not legal in my country and state, but was just trying to get a feel for different opinions on the morality of my question. For me I just like making sure the creator of the media I really enjoy get’s some kind of support, that way I’m voting a little with my dollar. So far I’m really thinking I’ve paid for the media once and once is more than enough.
You’ve paid for the right to watch the movie. The movie industry will argue that you’ve just paid for the right to access that physical copy and I’m sure from a legal point of view they’re right as they’ve lobbied to increase control out of greed and the hope of being able to get more money out of you for the same effort.
Morally you paid to access the content, you paid to compensate the creators for their work. Now you’re entitled to view what you’ve paid for.
If you want to support the creator, spread the word. Paying for things will generally just fill the purses of some rich ass media company execs who sit around all day masturbating on their third yacht.
By spreading the word, the creator is suddenly known for “having created this media that everyone knows”, landing them better deals with media corporations.
This concept applies to pretty much all media in all forms.
And when it comes to morality, that’s something you can only define for yourself.
Well the point of his coming here to discuss the ethics of it was to go beyond his own starting moral intuitions, to consider arguments and perspectives that pertain to the ethics of the act in question. The view that morality is a personal matter is a non-starter as far as moral philosophy goes. The ball is in OP’s court over who/what to consult to find relevant ethical considerations, and it’s up to him to reason those out and whether to follow them, but that doesn’t make the ethics itself something for him to define.
Yeah you’ve hit the nail on the head. I was merely trying to gain some perspectives outside my own. Ethics is not something for me to define at all. That being said, I’ve decided that I have paid for the media and as such have a right to retain full control over that media as long as I don’t sell it or distribute it widely.
Is it wrong to pirate {anything}
No.
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You could also get it via annas archive: https://annas-archive.org/md5/b121f6196830860e8c5e4a04b129a987
::: you can download it off internet archive
you need:
- windows - maybe, ive only tried on windows
- internet archive account
- adobe digital editions
- calibre with alf’s de-drm plug-in
borrow the book
put this link into your browser and replace bookid with the identifier
https://archive.org/services/loans/loan/?action=media_url&identifier=BOOKID&format=pdf&redirect=1you should get acsm file open it in adobe digital editions you now have drm-protected pdf in my documents/my digital editions/
add this pdf to calibre (with the plug in installed)
now you have drm-free pdf
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easier solution - just search it up with a book search engine
I’m gonna just cut thru the larger spiel I would normally give.
No, it is not wrong. You paid for it in the sense of reasonable expectations of ownership. That means being able to watch it in as convenient a method as if you’d bought the VHS back in the day. While this may not line up with legal definitions of licenses, fuck them. Replace “file” or “stream” with “tape” and it becomes crystal clear.
Asking if pirating something is wrong in a pro pirating group…
Fair lol
Its wrong they bought it in the first place…
You’re asking this in a community that’s specifically about doing piracy. Pretty hard to take your question seriously in this context.
Well I just didn’t see any harm in feeling out a lot of different pirates opinions to see some different perspectives I maybe didn’t think of.
It’s just a little less bad than murder.
yeah go for it! Do what you want. You already gave them money.
According to their ToS:
You are granted a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited right and license to access and use the Content solely for your private non-commercial viewing.
You must not transfer, copy or display Content except as permitted in this Vudu Policy.
They basically don’t allow you to download any movie to watch them outside their app. You are not actually “purchasing” the movies, you simply “purchasing” access to watch those movies on Vudu.
As for morality of downloading movies you already “purchased”, consider this quote I came across a little while ago: “Is piracy really stealing if paying isn’t owning?”
You have to decide if you have a duty to follow licensing agreements or not. Most folks here do not believe they do.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ethics-deontological/#DeoThe
Why are you asking is piracy “wrong” on a piracy forum?
Just to have a discussion and get to see some of the different opinions out there.
