Israel should be dismantled. They are a genocidal state and deserve no statehood.
and every single citizen hunted like the inhuman monsters they are, with local bars giving free drinks to anyone who kills one. sure. but that’s how we know we aren’t in a just world. also all the other stuff, but, like, also that.
Get better at fed posting. It’s a little too obvious.
inhuman monsters
Fuck off with the dehumanizing rhetoric. You want an unending cycle of violence? This is how you perpetuate it. How do you think Israel came to be the way it is?
you’re buying into the bullshit narrative that it was founded by holocaust survivors. the opposite is much closer to true. stop buying zio lies. this was their goal from the beginning. for fucks sake, hertzel asked for help from fucking cecil rhodes, and during the lead up to the holocaust they tried to collaborate with hitler. they had an SS unit made up of volunteers from there, though they weren’t formally a state yet so it’s semi-deniable; some of them are proud of this history, and do not bother to deny it.
they are ridiculously unbelievably evil. they sing songs as children about exterminating the brutes and how their genes are superior. they’re monsters. maybe it’s not their fault, but their continued existence is a blight on the world.
Seek help immediately 😼
No state “deserves” statehood. Statehood should be dismatled.
Fuck these fake borders dividing the people against each other.
Same as it ever was Same as it ever was Same as it ever was Same as it ever was
You may ask yourself: Well, how did I get here?
The Balfour Declaration?
Even earlier, Sykes-Picot Agreement
Found the philosophical anarchist. 🙂
Guilty as charged. (:
but some are much much worse, and need to go much more desperately.
Are there any pros for still keeping hostages? Those few dozens of people are not worth it. I’d say release them all just to prove a point that Israel won’t stop. See what they will say in their public announcements next.
Absolutely they should give up their only bargaining chip. That will leave them in a stronger position, obviously, as they will be literally decimated -but- they can then complain about how ruthlessly they were destroyed. I’m sure the arbiter will just put everything back as it was before any of this mess even happened.
Especially since the arbiter is one Donald J. Trump, a Colossus of a man with an immaculate reputation for fairness, and a knack for both resurrecting eradicated families and magically repairing destroyed infrastructure with a flick of his wand. Yes, release the hostages unconditionally, I’m sure it’ll just work out for you if you, I dunno, pray hard enough. (But not like that, though. We don’t recognise that kind of prayer)
Do we see any adequate attempts to do the bargaining though? Do we know that all the hostages are alive and well? Because having only a corpse of some hostage is not good for bargaining.
Yes, let’s have those ~50 stay in an unknown state somewhere, and ignore the possibility of Israel bombings to cease or result in lesser casualties, in case those are released.
Thr arbiter, last I saw in the news, “gave the green light to Israel” because the hostages were not released.
Well you’ve used the qualifier “adequate”, which means there’s an undefined set of criteria for bargaining that you deem acceptable. However there was until three days ago a ceasefire in place. A ceasefire by its existence proves that some bargaining has been done.
There were no provisions in the ceasefire that allowed Israel to attack under the conditions in which they did. An unconditional and complete release of hostages by 18/03/2025 was not one of the conditions imposed upon Hamas. Israel contravened the ceasefire. Therefore by giving the green light, the arbiter was violently remiss in his duties to uphold it impartially.
No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you’ll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you’ll see that Hamas did not break them.that you deem acceptable
Releasing about 2000 people for 33 hostages is more than acceptable. Keeping remaining ~50 at this point is strange. “Keep bombing us, killing hundreds, but we will not release your 50 people (out of which you think only half are alive), we need you to… release more of our people” or what?
You are going to just accept it as is, wait until bombings will wipe out all of Gaza, but still tell how those 50 hostages are important for some bargaining?
Whatever they could theoretically gain for those remaining hostages (if they wanted that) is not worth the risk of further bombings. If anything, they waste resources on keeping them alive (if they really do that).
No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you’ll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you’ll see that Hamas did not break them.
This is the part about Trump. https://archive.md/lkD5b
According to this, Hamas rejected proposition by Israel on march 1. Which then triggered Israel. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-ceasefire-talks-1.7472338
Releasing the hostages won’t stop anything. The IDF was headshotting children before October 7th.
According to this, Hamas rejected proposition by Israel on march 1. Which then triggered Israel.
Seventeen days later? I don’t think you can call that a “trigger”
Fact is, Israel has been violating the ceasefire since the beginning according to the reports I’ve been reading.
Hamas shouldn’t even have the hostages, but stealing a few hundred people is nothing compared to the way Israel bullies Gaza. Now they’ve got the hostages, they’ve lost any moral high ground anyway, so they’re going to use them to the best tactical, strategic and diplomatic advantage they can. It’s the smart thing to do. It’s not the right thing to do, but I think everyone lost all hope of either side doing something right a long time ago.
Releasing the hostages won’t stop anything.
It will change what many people think about Hamas.
The IDF was headshotting children before October 7th.
Israel released 2000 people for just 33. This shows the hostages are meaningful to Israel. Thinking “there is no point in releasing hostages” is not smart.
Seventeen days later? I don’t think you can call that a “trigger”
Cut off aid 1 day after. Cut off electricity 7 days after. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-ceasefire-timeline-1.7487965
Fact is, Israel has been violating the ceasefire since the beginning according to the reports I’ve been reading.
Hamas would violate them too if they could. Ceasefires can’t be ideal when both sides hate each other so much.
so they’re going to use them to the best tactical, strategic and diplomatic advantage they can. It’s the smart thing to do.
How many people already died in bombings? Did it worth the 2000 of people released by Israel? Or 4000 more people they could possibly release for the remaining hostages?
Smart things to do? Hamas are not smart in my eyes. Instead of caring about Palestinians and building defenses, they built rockets and tunnels for useless attacks. They are neither good tacticians, nor good strategists, nor good diplomats.
Even if I forget how “smart” the October attack was, not releasing hostages when being told “release them or we will kill you” is not a smart thing to do, if you really care about your own life and the life of Palestinians.
And reward Israel for violating the ceasefire?
Since Israel and the collective Western civilization do not appear to posses any morality, those prisoners are the only leverage Hamas has. They would be crazy to give it up for free.
Israelis are protesting to get their prisoners back, not because they want to end the genocide and care about Palestinians. Plenty if polls have proven this.
They would be crazy to give it up for free
They already released 33 of them, and had about 2000 prisoners released by Israel. Are you going to say “we need to still keep the remaining ones to make Israel release 2000 more” or are you going to say “the bombing casualties are big but they are less than 2000 so let’s still keep the hostages”, or I dunno, maybe “those prisoners are more valuable than hostages and any possible casualties”?
Israelis are protesting to get their prisoners back, not because they want to end the genocide and care about Palestinians. Plenty if polls have proven this.
Are prisoners supposed to fix that or what? What is the scenario where hostages are going to help in stopping the bombings, if they are not released? Israeli protests are going to make them stop? And after that, the protests will also stop? But the prisoners would still be there, right?
What about the rest of the protesters around the world? Do you not consider the possibility of those protesters to increase in numbers if there would be no hostages?
As much as I want to understand the point, I don’t see how the remaining hostages are going to benefit Gaza. There are not enough of them. They are not worth it.
The OP image should have also highlighted the second paragraph.
What have protests achieved? People voted for Harris and Trump in droves.
The West does not care. There is no reason for Palestine to appeal to their Nazi oppressors.
Israel took many released hostages back to the torture camp. Israel is the least trustworthy opponent of all time. There is no good faith with them.
Israel already said they would continue the genocide even if Hamas released their captives.
Those Nazi oppressors released 2000 people for just 33 hostages.
Israel took many released hostages back to the torture camp.
Oh really? Fine then. Let’s say Israel will be doing it to 100% of people they release. Then what else could Hamas possibly achieve by still keeping the hostages?
There is no good faith with them.
I could say the same about Hamas.
Israel already said they would continue the genocide even if Hamas released their captives.
All the more reason to stop wasting resources on hostages.
Are those hostages made from gold or something? Why people seem to protect them from possible release? If it’s so difficult to just release them - ask Hamas to kill them all. We know it won’t change anything, right? But then they could concentrate on other things that are possibly more meaningful for their own survival.
Damn why does Israel have 2000 hostages? Actually scratch that make it 9000.
I could say the same about Hamas.
No you cannot because Hamas keeps its promises. Hamas kept their end of the ceasefire deal. Israel violated it more than 900 times.
You are projecting the evils of the Nazis onto the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. The double standards you apply to the resistance are completely ridiculous.
They call those prisoners, guess most of them are counted as terrorists. But I would ignore that and assume they are simple Palestinians. It still doesn’t change what I said. Israel released that many of them. They could refuse and proceed to bomb Gaza instead.
Hamas keeps its promises
Not true. Also saying some historical figure or a group always keeps their promises means you are biased.
I don’t care about Jews or Nazis. Resistance can’t work with what they have now. I will not support people who keep doing unnecessary things. I will not support Israel either for now. But there is logic in their actions at least. There is no logic in assuming the remaining hostages will help Hamas, unless they are released.
Do you think there’s a 13 year old girl in Gaza who is writing a diary that will be widely read by children across the world 40-50 years from now?
It’s 2025, the teenagers mostly document their lives on social media. Tent life guy from Gaza got killed but there are others.
When this empire falls and the genocide history is able to be taught then yes I think some of these video records will be studied by children around the world.
The Germans occupied the Netherlands during WW2 and most (non Jewish) people could still live relevantly normal lives. Israel on the other hand is destroying everybody and everything in Gaza. They don’t even have a chance to write a diary.
As a new biography Dutch Girl: Audrey Hepburn and World War II, excerpted exclusively in this week’s PEOPLE, reveals, it was her experiences during Germany’s five-year occupation of Holland during World War II that truly shaped her.
While more has come out in recent years about her war experience, Robert Matzen’s book reveals harrowing new details about how a young Hepburn battled severe malnutrition, particularly during what was known as the “Hunger Winter” of 1944-45.
Leading up to that brutally cold winter, as Germany tightened its grip on Holland, Hepburn and her family were often forced to live in the cellar for days and weeks at a time due to bombing overhead. And food became more and more scarce.
Israel is doing terrible things, but it simply doesn’t compare to the atrocities of the Third Reich. Almost nothing does. It’s important we don’t downplay just how horrible the Nazi regime was.
Around 250,000 Dutchmen died in WW2. A substantial part of that came from the hunger winter in 1944 when the German army took the Dutch harvest. Dutch cities were first bombed by the Germans and afterwards by the allies, and many were in complete ruins. I am saying this not to downplay what Israel does to Palestina, but the idea that most Dutch people lived relatively “normal” lives during WW2 is ridiculous.
I meant normal in wartime. It wasn’t just a slaughter like Israel is doing. People could still have jobs and do stuff.
Indeed. If with doing jobs you mean the forced labor camps that healthy men were forced into. I mean, you just don’t help the cause by downplaying the bad experiences of other countries.
Maybe, but it will probably be destroyed by carpet bombing before anyone sees it.
It’s not carpet bombing it Ai kill list. It indiscriminately just attacks targets, they’ve been training it the whole time. Palantir is the company
It’s probably not them. I didn’t see anything about Gaza genocide in the impact studies section.
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Nope. I may wrong but that’s the premonition I get just because Islam has promoted global jihad which will piss off a lot more people than not in the coming decades. Furthermore it seems to me Muslims aren’t supportive of girl authors like the west is.
“the muslims” Okay now let’s see what it would looks like if I change this word by an other one starting with a J.
Wait…?! Why I’m getting Déjà vu…ಠ_ಠ
Well, with the way things are going, it won’t be read in the U.S.A. It’ll be banned.
Don’t worry, the US won’t exist in 40-50 years.
By then they won’t have to ban books. Nobody here will be able to read
Those that can will be considered witches and drowned or burned at the stake.
4 or 5 years probably
Maybe, but the IDF will definitely burn anything they find, don’t want more records of their crimes where they can avoid it
They dgaf. They want the world to see what they are getting away with.
Now imagine what we don’t see.
Do you really think it makes a difference?
Most of Palestinians are under the age of 18. Basically telling a bunch of kids he’s going to kill them.
This is a fact I try to bring up often… It’s a truly disturbing piece of information
Also, they’re struggling to survive without enough supplies, they’re being cut off from the Internet and power in part so they can’t get their message to the world, and they couldn’t kick out Hamas if they wanted to - they have no organization or individual power to actually do that
So it’s worth considering…who is this message for?
who is this message for?
Everyone watching from the outside. It’s an attempt to convince us that Israel is being fair and giving non-conbatants a fair way out, and that anyone caught in the crossfire from this point forward chose to stay.
so long as bibi, trump, and the puppet master putin and all of their respective ghouls are in charge, Im afraid every man woman and child in gaza is living on spent time.
“return the hostages and kick out Hamas, and new options will open for you–including relocation to other parts of the world for those who choose. The alternative is destruction and total devastation.”
So the choice is either ethnic cleansing with some genocide or ethnic cleansing with total genocide. This is completely unacceptable, yet there are those who argue that we must accept it and merely choose “the lesser of two evils” with the reason being that it could be worse. However, this only emboldens the evil and they will continue driving to make things worse and worse anyway.
So… Do something about it
also, they’re just gonna do total genocide either way, it’s more a cost effectiveness thing.
do you want to be remembered as a people it was INEFFICIENT to genocide? that’s basically the worst genetic inferiority.
Israeli’s are blood thirsty monsters. Prove me wrong.
The entire country is sick. The ones in power need to be held accountable and the population as a whole needs a “Denazification”. Something that will require generations of reeducation to undue the fascist ethnostate that has indoctrinated children from birth.
Separating this Fascist state from Jewish identity is one of the most important things to do as well. One of the most antisemitic things being done today is when Israel commits genocide and pretends it is doing it for Jews. It is disgusting.
At some point you are just going to have to be “antisemetic.” There needs to be a cultural shift around the world for allowing the criticism of jews before you can criticize Israel.
Allowing Zionist to redefine the word and just “becoming anti semitic” is a really bad take. Maybe I’m missing the intent of your comment. I’ll be good faith and assume you just wrote this badly.
Israel would love nothing more than people conflating all Jews with Zionists.
Zionism is its own term and while it is mostly compromised of Jews, there are also Christians and Joe Bidens and Justin Trudeaus.
By pure numbers it is mostly compromised of evangelical Christians. There are significantly more evangelical Christians that are Zionist than there are Jews.
Separating this Fascist state from Jewish identity is one of the most important things to do as well.
It’s extremely disturbing how common it is to weaponize allegations of “antisemitism” against criticisms of Zionism. I would say it’s antisemitic to assume that all Jewish people support the actions of the state of Israel, but strangely, the ADL doesn’t seem to agrees.
population as a whole needs a “Denazification”.
This doesn’t really sound like a good preamble. How many people from israel do you know? Have you been there? I hope you are not assuming they are all evil because they are ruled by psychopaths like any other country in the world
Do you think that Nazi Germany didn’t need Denazification?
The population of Israel is heavily in support of a return to Genocide in Gaza. The vast majority that aren’t are only against it because the hostages are still there.
Only 10% of Israelis believed the IDF was using “too much firepower” in December of 2023. The time in which Israel was bombing heavily and dropping white phosphorus on civilian areas.
There was a large protest in Israel not “against rape” but against the potential conviction of an IDF soldier who had raped and killed a Palestinian ON VIDEO. This led to a large protest that overan the detention center. The Israeli people literally protested to protect a rapist. Oh and the rapist is now a media personality in Israel.
This is not a population that is victim to it’s rulers. This is a population that largely supports the genocide of Palestinians.
What’s your definition of denazification to begin with?
Trump got elected democratically in usa but there’s millions of good americans out there
Denazification would range from punishment to individuals to reeducation programs and reintegration programs that can help the propaganda of genocide be overcome.
I would say the major difference between the genocidal actions of the American state and the Israeli state is that the citizens of the US are largely distanced from it. Both in terms of media but also more importantly geographically. Because of this the Israeli state not only has to manufacture consent for passive acceptance but actively manufacturer concent for the war crimes that every citizen can hear every night in Gaza.
This leads to a much more sick society in terms of dehumanizing Palestinians.
You seem to think I’m looking at this from some “good vs. bad” dynamic. I am not. I am only looking at the degree to which the state has manufactured concent in the population and that degree is to such an extreme in the Israeli society. It exists in America as well. But is primarily done through distractions, through their “toys”. Israel is different in this way. The population is not just (on average) distracted and xenophobic; they have reached a degree of dehumanizing Palestinians that will poison it’s population for generations.
Also, the comparison between voting for Trump and Israel is just not reasonable at all. Trump is not a genocide that you can hear happening as bombs are dropped every night. The material circumstances are just not comparable. I’m not saying Trump and his actions will not hurt people. Again, I’m talking about the degree to which concent needs to be manufactured. And most Americans won’t notice until someone in their family gets sent to a camp.
Decades of propaganda don’t go away in a day but the main goal should be to stop the psychopath behind it rather than attacking people. “denazification” much resemble authoritarian rulers rhetoric like the one used by putin with ukraine.
Keep in mind that israelis are also caught in a war, some of them are being forced to take side
Dude. I think you need to pick up a history book. Denazification is not Putin. It’s the term to describe post WW2 Germany. And yes, it’s authoritarian rule by another state over a state that committed a fucking genocide. When you commit a genocide and your population is largely in favor of it, that population is sick and doesn’t get to have self determination.
Religion needs to be banned…globally. Humans must never again be allowed to be infected by memetic viruses, by ideas that are not scientifically supported.
I’m gonna give the unpopular take online and say that religion is not the source. Religion is only a tool that is often used negatively within class struggle. The source of Israel today is so much more ingrained in white supremacy, colonialism, and class conflict that I just can’t say that “banning” religion would be at all helpful.
The religion and hope of the Palestine people is a core part of their resistance and their struggle. And while I’ll always be against fundamentalist interpretation of religion in the hands of the ruling class; I just think a focus on religion as being the ultimate problem is incorrect and unhelpful.
I don’t think banning is a good answer. My own preferred solution is mandatory religious education. Once you learn about all of the religions of the world the idea that any of them could possibly be correct about either the nature of reality or deciding what is right becomes clearly absurd.
Or you know, you realize the source of your beliefs is incomgruent, and you don’t really know what you believe in.
You are supposed to have a clear set of guiding principles from a given all-knowing God, otherwise he is just cruel, and not worth worshipping.
A set of guiding principles from and all-knowing God is not what religion is. Maybe it’s what Abrahamic religions are, but there were religions before them and other religions even today.
Israel government and israel people are two different things. Just like in any other country the majority of people are good and get brainwashed by the government.
My personal experience with hundreds of Israelis is that they are very mean spirited people. Who treat anyone that isn’t their blood like shit. I worked for Jewish families on the east coast. They were tied into the Italian mob and trafficked drugs and women like it was nothing. I have a very unique experience within the criminal world of the Jewish Mob. Just by working at a hotel they ran shit out of. I never forgot those moments.
Not everyone is a mobster
lemmy gets awful mad if you were to make the same point about Russians
IF he’s able (he’s not), I bet drumpf has a huge boner over this.
So when does the main trial start?
As soon as Israel stops being coddled by the US and Europe.
Downvoted. Not boring.
Is this a real post?
Yes, here is the original tweet with the video
Damn…
Yeah actually, that’s genocide.
okay but see no because the people doing it say they’re jewish, so, like… can’t be. it’s a new kind of thing, that’s like genocide but not bad for reasons. now pay up or we can’t finish.
So we’re just going to have to sit here and let Israel murder these kids. Yeah religion is trash
What can this possibly have to do with religion?..
Are you really asking this?
Christians are okay with this because Isreal is the “promised land” and “gods chosen people.” They will remain on the side of Isreal because they see Isreals actions to be almost the same as their gods.
That would be a weird kind of Christians, the classical kind would want “promised land” to be Christian and consider “God’s chosen people” to have been extended to them all.
And there are still Arab Christians, Orthodox and Maronite, mostly on the other side.
So nah, that’s not it. Just racism maybe, but that’s not religion.
Weird kind of Christian in your book or not, it’s true. Christians, especially the evangelical type which have a lot of power in the US support Isreal blindly.
My parents, for example, would be horrified by what isreal is doing, but because it’s isreal, they happily eat up any propaganda that makes them out to be the victims.
Citizens dying? Shouldn’t have been in the area!
My view of my parents has radically changed in just a matter of months.
Weird kind of Christian in your book or not, it’s true.
It’s not my book, but Christians are supposed to have read that book and know what the Christian faith is.
Otherwise they are a fan group.
BTW, what do your parents think of cremation, are they aware that in Christian faith that makes one’s resurrection in the Apocalypse impossible?
OK, I guess it’s not very useful, I think if I walk to a church and ask people passing through the entrance what their symbol of faith is, I won’t get many good answers. If I provide them with a few real variants, they’ll likely choose those of other Christian confessions. And if I ask those same people on schisms and heresies, they’ll be very intolerant of heretics.
Again, it doesn’t matter what you think, it matters what they think. People can read the same thing and come to very different conclusions. Christians shouldn’t be supporting a person like Trump if they follow the new testament, but here we are. You’re demanding logic where there is little to none.
OK, I agree with that.
It’s just funny that their understanding of Christianity is much more diverse (and removed from what’s supposed to be true in their own churches) than it would be possibly allowable in times when religion was actually important in European societies.
I mean, if you were a dirty peasant goat farmer covered in rags, nobody would care even if you praised Odin.
But if you were a free man able to read, even more a learned man (irrelevant though), and were heard saying the smallest thing of what these people casually say, that meant problems. Not even with law.
If you think American Evangelicals can read their own holy book and that not reading or comprehending it has stopped them you’re either not from here or living under heavy drugs.
Israelis are Atheists. Zionism is an Atheist movement.
The father of Zionism Theodor Herzl was an Atheist.
Israel’s first PM Ben Gurion was a hardcore atheist.
Israel is a consequence of Liberalism. It is pure Western colonialism nothing more.
Zionism is an ostensibly secular movement. Secularity is not atheism. Pretext is not motivation.
No Zionism is very much is an Atheistic movement. It does not define Jewishness as a religion but as a race. And they basically believe Jews are the Ubermensch. This is why early Zionists were booted out of Germany by their religiously Jewish counterparts… Zionism is a classic story of settler-colonialism inspired by European Liberalism.
Haaretz - How Israel Went From Atheist Zionism to Jewish State
I’d like to see a primary source over this, but this opinion gives me something to think about.
I feel like the US taxpayer is bearing the full cost, truly. Israel can’t make war for more than a few days without the charity we give them.
I get your point, but it’s bad wording in this case, because the cost of the bombs that kills people is not the full cost.
Israel is just a US proxy. In fact, a lot of the operations that happen in gaza are actually done by the US, UK and/or France, but that doesn’t get publicized for obvious reasons.
Unfortunately, I’m fully capable of comprehending this.
