I’m shocked that I haven’t seen one protest yet. Is the media suppressing them? If there aren’t any, why?
Because over half the people voted for him and are convinced of everything he says and does. My f’ing BIL thinks Trump can’t do anything wrong. Just go question him on other social media, especially a state subreddit, and people will say things like “so you are in favor or waste and fraud!?” like it is case closed.
Queue the Democrats that have done the same thing for their own party members.
Because over half the people voted for him
No they didn’t. Only like 60% of eligible voters actually voted in this past election. Which means only about 30% of eligible voters voted for Trump. About 80% of the country’s population are eligible voters, and since only 30% voted for Trump, 80% x 30% = 24% of the population voted for him. Roughly a quarter of people voted for him, not half.
And for anyone who’s wondering, “why did only 60% of eligible voters vote?” The answer is mostly voter suppression in various forms.
Throw around all the numbers you want. The fact remains: the majority of voters voted for trump. I don’t like it either, but this is what America is.
majority of voters voted for trump
no, they didn’t. https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024presgeresults.pdf
49.80%
The numbers I’m “throwing around” say that you’re literally and objectively wrong
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We had an election and Trump won fair and square. All you can do is regroup and get prepared for the next election.
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It’s going to take a unifying event that is unifyingly abhorrent.
Until that show drops, no movement will take enough momentum with it.
Wait until a Mayors daughter gets sent to gitmo for protesting at college. Wait until the social security checks bounce. Wait until the next viral George Floyd police killing.
The tension is simmering.
I think that the thing that made the protests for George Floyd and Covid policies so widespread was people were out of work. The capitalist system has done a very good job of binding us to our jobs. we need a change that will put large amounts of people on the streets with little to lose. An economic collapse might do it.
this is the classic Rosa Luxemburg vs Lenin dichotomy of revolutionary spontaneity vs vanguardism. do we organize, wait for the opportune moment, both?
I’ve been posting and reposting my little “Eggsecution” short story everywhere I see eggs come up in politics.
I’m hoping the egg economy goes tits up, we have the great American egg famine, and then once rid of the impending bird flu pandemic, egg economy goes the other way, and the masses just toss Donnie and Elmo into a concrete pit and pelt the. with eggs until they’re drowning in broke shells and egg yolk.
“Eggs. Eggs. Eggs.”
to the bloated sun we want to slice open and yolk all over the village
Americans are too dumd down, pacified, apathetic and fatalistic.
Europe or other places would be on fire.
In the US taking a group walk with some signs and shouting is already too much to ask.
Let the downvotes rain for the uncomfortable truth.There are protests, they are just way too small.
Trump hast at least 40% of the population behind him, and a good 20-30% don’t care. Still.
You can’t organize “mass protests” with 20-30% of the population.
I mean, you can, but they are literally a loud minority.
That’s just wrong
Put 20/30% of the population of any city or county out on the streets and it will make headlines
It’s technically a loud minority but a very loud and significant minority
The problem is that of those 20/30% only 10% will actually get out on the streets so you are left with around 2% of the general population. And that ain’t much
The problem is that of those 20/30% only 10% will actually get out on the streets so you are left with around 2% of the general population. And that ain’t much
So you do agree?
Getting mass protests organized is a tremendous effort. If you have 80-90% support for something, getting 30-40% on the street is a huge accomplishment. If only 30% support the idea in the first place, there is no chance.
The “mass protest” has to be at a scale, where it’s basically a general strike where society shuts down because people are protesting.
That it doesn’t work right now doesn’t mean they should stop trying.
but a very loud and significant minority
This is meaningless in a country that chooses to ignore public voices. Authoritarian regimes can stay stable with 10-15% support of the population, ignoring protests and complaints.
No, I disagree. If things are really fucked (as they are) 30% of a population is more than enough to enact change. If they are really motivated to do so. Get most of those 30% only the street and you see what power it has.
Of course with 80/90% it’s easier. Much much easier but that’s just fantasy land. You can get 90% of the population to agree on many basic facts, so you can forget about having then agree to protest together.
Plenty of revolutions were made, and dictatorships overturned with much fewer people on board.
I very much disagree on how much power 30% of the population has. Yes the electoral system you have in the USA is beyond stupid. However voting is only the easiest and most polite way to make change.
Go on strike, protest, build some guillotines. If the population really wants it, change will be made, even if it’s only 15/30%. Because the remainder of that population will not opposite necessarily. They just don’t care enough to protest.
Luigi Mangione is just 1 person for example.
Because protests don’t do shit. There were mass protests over police brutality in 2020. Didn’t do shit and the right wing media reaction arguably helped kill off police reform legislation that was in progress before the protests.
The reason protests from the left don’t do shit is because the most popular media is controlled by Maga. The top social media network for news, the top podcast, and the top cable TV news are all outright maga propaganda. A narrative can arise without them, but they will determine what happens to it. So last time, the protests arose due to George Floyd, but the right wing media turned it into a narrative about lawless riots, using exaggeration and fake images.
See also Palestine protests.
Basically, the left is fucked in the US until something changes in the media so there’s no point in trying.
This is not true, protests have a measurable impact and the defeatist nonsense of “there’s no point in trying” is exactly what enemies of democracy want.
Sadly, this is the correct answer. Protests really only look effective on paper, (or social media) however, gathering in protest is only ever going to work if those they protesting against, actually care to listen with an open mind.
There is no way the current administration has any plans to listen to anyone that disagrees with their attempts to personally own America.
protests represent the threat of violence. the threat went away and the rulers stopped listening.
I think the nice thing about a protest is that it’s a show of power, strength, and unity. It sends a message to those on the outside that there is a number of people who believe in a common goal. And really, the message is one all Americans can pretty much agree on and that’s trickle down isn’t trickling and corporate profits are soaring.
The longer the protests, the worse taxes become from tariffs, the more cuts they make to social services, the more people could snowball this into a movement.
The power of protests are People.
Again, it really looks good on paper. In practice- it does little.
Tell that to pretty much every rights movement in the history of our species. Apes strong together.
Here lies the problem. People think that because something once worked- it’ll always work.
Perhaps we should use swords the next time we’re at war? I mean, they were very effective in the 1300’s, right?
Protests don’t work anymore. We’re way beyond anyone listening to gathered crowds.
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Because protests don’t do shit.
Occupy Wall Street had an impact.
Because protests don’t do shit. There were mass protests over police brutality in 2020.
I get why you feel that way, but it’s just not true.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_reforms_related_to_the_George_Floyd_protests
there are pretty significant protests in recent months. Tesla, the federal government, unions etc. It’s just that nobody really care about them with all the funny shit happening in the federal government right now.
Realistically, they also won’t do much, so you’ll have better reach doing more traditional on the ground campaigning anyway.
Just went to one for vets against the VA cuts and haven’t heard shit about it since
vet’s have literally no administration pool to serve them right now im guessing, even if they did protest, it would probably just lead to the VA going 🤷 because they literally don’t have the people to do that work.
There are but its a big country. Not everyone can walk on DC.
It’d take me over a month to reach DC if I walked there.
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Low density and car based infrastructure neuters protests. I usually work from home but I had jury duty a few weeks ago in the courthouse in my downtown area. There were several protests daily the entire time I was there.
Because the Americans don’t know how to protest.
To a Frenchman a protest is storming and taking control of the representation of authority in the country.
To a Greek a protest is filling the streets of many cities throughout the country with hundreds of thousands of people.
To an American a protest involves standing in a square by the few hundreds, holding signs with semi-sarcastic or passive aggressive messages written on them.
protest is storming and taking control of the representation of authority in the country.
Jan 6. 2021… just the other side protesting though.
Yeah, I hope every American here realizes that the lunatics behind Jan 6 are more effective protesters than they are.
J6 was an astroturfed operation by the current dictator in charge. We currently have several grassroots protests around the country being suppressed, and have a long history of protesting and rioting for civil rights in this country.
You clearly get your news from corporate media or else you’d be aware of this.
Jan 6 had a lot of money behind it. People fundamentally do not understand how hamstrung leftists groups in the U.S. are. Yeah, the people who received millions of dollars were able to charter busses to bring people to the capitol, and the people who are receiving tens of dollars are barely able to have a media presence. No shit.
It’d be really cool if maybe some of the people who wanted Americans to be doing more would actually put their money where there mouth is and work to get large donation efforts going towards leftist groups in the U.S. The way I see it, you can start funding partisans here now, or you can start doing it after Trump tries to invade/destabilize whatever country you’re living in.
Yeah, insurrection is a form of protest, I guess.
Eh, I feel like every day there’s a new story of Tesla’s being torched. That’s a pretty directed and forceful form of protest that gets no credit.
Also, it’s not like America never has large scale protests. Hundreds of thousands of people fill the National Mall pretty regularly, skimming Wikipedia I counted 14+ since 1950 of over 200,000.
Just 5 years ago 15m-26m people participated in some especially roudy protests across all 50 states, but no credit for that either.
Large protests that get even slightly out of line in the USA usually end with:
- well armed, paramilitary police violently dispersing everyone
- the CIA assassinating protest leaders
- and/or the 6 media conglomerates suppressing coverage at the behest of the ~15 people that own them
If you’re criticizing Americans for anything, it should be for their response to that and not their ability to organize and orchestrate protests.
Such ferocity.
To be the most effective we have to be protesting in front of houses of people who actually influence change. I’ve been too far too many protests and it feels like they mean nothing. Only way to make change is to stop taking it to the streets. And taking it to houses of billionaires and politicians who actually are in control of change.
It’s being suppressed, I can’t find the graph I saw yesterday but cumulative daily protests this year have far outclassed the protests from 2017, yet there’s very little coverage of it from the major outlets.
The revolution will not be televised.
You picked the right time, but the wrong guy.
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Not when the class that controls the media is the one being revolted against.
It will however be recorded and streamed and shared peer to peer.
