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There are two generations that can do this task X and millennials.
As a boomer, reading this thread/discussion has been so amusing in many ways while enjoying my cuppa tea this morning. A classic “the younger generations are stupid.”
The older generations looking down the ones that follow. And the following generations looking down on those that precede them. And no one understanding ain’t none of us are all that bright.
Ever has it been, and so ever shall it be.
A classic “the younger generations are stupid.”
There is some of that, but ultimately I know that it really isn’t Zoomers’ fault. They were never taught how to properly use a computer, a responsibility that should have been done by their Gen X/Millennial parents.
And of course there are many that do. This is just dealing in generalities.
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The number of people in this thread stumped by the “rotate a PDF” comment, even what it means at all, while a smartphone has been 95-100% of their “computer” usage in their lives.
I was born in the 80’s, I did IT bachelor’s and then print design studies which used all of the Adobe suite and I genuinely don’t understand what rotating a pdf means.
My first OS was DOS.
Edit my point is I’m sure I know how to, I just don’t know what it means
PDF is in landscape orientation, you need it portrait (say someone scanned the documents in sideways, it happens annoyingly often), or some similar situation
Well it would entirely depend on the document how well it rotates.
Rotating isn’t the issue, really, just how well it rotates.
Prints designed for portrait or landscape can be hard if not impossible to rotate properly.
Pure text documents, no problem. edit well the usual fuckery, can be shit. but like some are just impossible to properly rotate if the graphics are designed for portrait or landscape or etc
What do you mean “how well it rotates” ? If, e.g. an A4 portrait document is scanned in landscape it can be rotated back to portrait with no issues, no ifs or whats about it. It’s a simple file orientation change
If you have specific graphics on the page which are designed to fit a portrait or a a landscape, they may not transfer well.
Just remember the outrage people have over people not filming thing in landscape, because then one ends up watching a fullscreen video on pc that’s 80% black screen and only a sliver of actual footage on the screen, but we’re used to it.
The page layout is incredibly precise work for most things related to print, however if you’re just using PDF to relay text, it doesn’t really matter at all. But PDF is something you can have as print quality, so you work on a project, you make a PDF, then you take that PDF to the print and they print it in whatever size or colour, but the layout will be the same.
You are overthinking this. It has nothing to do with whether something is designed or not for landscape or portrait. It is whether the file itself has dimensions of 4000x2000 and you want to rotate it 90 degs so that it is 2000x4000. Same content but everything rotated so that it opens oriented the way it was intended.
I mean from my point of view you’re underthinking it.
The design of page layouts for print media is incredibly precise, but that’s not even the issue.
Just like think of any generic magazine. Most of the text is placed in paragraphs around illustrations and quotes and sidebars and whatnot.
Just rotating it will fuck all that up, much like when you move an image in word. (lol)
But yeah that’s “overthinking” it in the sense that while that was important to an entire industry, it was basically just one industry, and everyone used/uses pdf for generic documents without a designed specific layout, and those do rotate, no problem.
Edit no wait you were 100% right I was way overthinking it. You’re just basically saying you’re not rotating the content on the page, but whether it’s on its side on the reader or not, lol. Yeah my bad way overthought it you were absolutely right
Pro Tip: Press Shift - Ctrl - numpad 0 to rotate it in Acrobat
And they’re almost as conservative as boomers too. Fucking shame.
Are you sure?
Me: Behold!
*quickly presses Control+V
Classmate: Woah! How did you do that??!!!
True story but as a millennial teaching another millennial in college.
yeah there are noobs at everything in each generation. maybe some change in percentages but still. you could tell this story a million times
10.000 per day, in fact!
xkcd
There’s one for every occasion.
I remember watching an interview with the CEO of SUN microsystems in the 90’s argue that you didn’t need to know how to run a nuclear power plant to use a light switch, and you shouldn’t have to know how a computer works to use one.
I guess his vision came true, and we’re mad about it?
Fella, the stuff Gen Z struggles with is the light switch.
They know how to use the light switch, but they have no idea what to do when the bulb burns out.
I am genuinely having a hard time with my Gen Z employee. I have to go through everything step by step each time and it just seems like nothing sticks. I even create documentation for him and he just can’t follow it fully.
I’m truly baffled and any advice is welcome.
Fire him. Not able to follow procedure. So many people do not deserve jobs.
So much fucking this. So many people these days are straight up just useless at their jobs, but companies and managers tend to fall into some sort of toxic positivity bullshit and it’s just so hard to give negative feedback to someone notoriously bad at their job somehow. An advice would be to just keep it honest and expect some sort of improvement, otherwise they may try their luck somewhere else.
Have you tried video tutorials? I have noticed that a lot of younger people are more likely to look up tutorials on YouTube than written ones.
As a GenXer, I’m kind of horrified by how much of the “how-to” universe is shifting from written instructions to video.
(No, I don’t want a video tutorial for how to knit a scarf. I want a normal pattern. Am I so out of touch? No, it’s the children who are wrong.)
Seriously, though, the next time you go through something with this employee, use a screen recorder to capture the process and then share the recording with him. Maybe it will help.
I also don’t want a video because I can READ a helluva lot faster than it takes to watch a video.
I can also reference back to WRITTEN information much faster. Everything about shifting from written medium to video is about commodifying content, rather than a better exchange of information. And it sucks.
Make a tiktok with “apple” by charli xcx in the background, subway surfers footage in the corner, and make the camera move further away from the screen (whats screen recording?) at random points.
spoiler
/s , hopefully obviously.
in today’s edition of “why are the kids I raised so damn incompetent?”
i long for a day where people understand that it’s not the ipad kid’s fault they were given a tablet at age 2
It isn’t their fault, but it did happen.
During a zoom, I was presenting my full screen and was opening a new tab instantly with the scroll wheel click and the zoomers on the call was mind blown.
Not true
Millennials think it’s them , because they learned how. Gen X knows, because they wrote it.
Expectation: these new generations are practically born with computers in their hands when they grow up they are going to create a new world so fast and develop new technologies
Reality: if tik tok doenst work they don’t know what else to do with their 1000+ euro smartphones
Another meaningless mention of tiktok. Is tiktok making android and ios? Does it make impossible for users to install OS of their choice on their phones?
Replying to you here from a Google Pixel running Graphene OS here for no particular reason
We’re dumbing everything down. When I was a kid Imade my own tower defense game inside warcraft3 world editor, with custom models and everything. Everything was moddable, customisable. Now everything exists in walled gardens where you can’t even switch anything
It only relatively recently occurred to me that the vast majority of people use the Internet either solely or mostly with a mobile phone. It blew my mind since I grew up with PCs and modems and the Internet is so much better on a large screen that’s not half full of ads.
It doesn’t have to be full of ads on mobile either, just use Firefox or a fork (ironfox is great) and add ublock origin as a start.
This is true for Android, but sadly not so for iOS. All browsers on iOS use Safari’s engine WebKit under the hood, yet only Safari can have extensions. There is no uBlock on Safari, either. We have alternatives though, like AdBlock Pro and similar
My wife is similarly aged than me. I was raised around computers and she was not. It’s a chore to get her to actually send me a URL or tell me where she is so I can actually get a full browser experience. I’ve slowly been converting her over and trying to show her the benefits of browsing online.
Yeah, I hate using the internet via a phone and only do it when there’s no other option available. It severely limits what you can do, which of course is perfect for the 5 or so corporations that run most of the internet.
How did we fail so hard? Where did we go wrong?
Boomer don’t know how to do shit 'cause computers were so rare. Zoomers don’t know how to do shit 'cause big companies profit from people who can’t help themselves and have low standards.
There was only a small timeframe where computers were available, accessible yet not enshittificated for profit like today.
Let’s be fair though. Adobe changes the Acrobat interface every two weeks for no reason. PDF has always been an absolute shitshow, super slow, walled garden format. After like 30 years it’s still a 30 step process to add a note box with an arrow that looks half decent
