Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
I’ve got a bug out zone extremely close to a bordering country that’s self sufficient. Staying put unless things get wildly out of hand. We could probably house another 2 families if needed.
Can I call dibs?
I was about to say Mars, but Elon Rat plans to go there
Mars is boring
Choose a cooler planet like Pluto
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As a Puerto Rican, I am very upset about all the fascism taking place in our federal government
As a Costa Rican, I agree. Hell, we even have one of trumps deportation (concentration) camps over here
Any plans to start saving up to move elsewhere, by the way?
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Why should I leave? They’re the ones who suck. I’m not giving any ground
Exactly where I am.
I moved to a backwater town in the middle of the desert for a fucking reason, worse comes to worst and I’ve got the benefit of being able to travel in literally any direction and be on res.
Iceland
Uruguay, New Zealand, or SE Asia
I had Uruguay and New Zealand on my list.
If you go to New Zealand, you’ll have to deal with the shithead billionaires there who will have moved there a few days ahead of you, (since they’ll get extra warning of course), who will have moved already into the fortress-bunkers they’ve been making for a decade or so there.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/billionaires-are-building-luxury-bunkers-to-escape-doomsday/
https://www.massivemagazine.org.nz/articles/9ifugmdie5ofe1utd1bgsw4zascn61
It should be a life mission of anyone in New Zealand, when the time comes, to find out where their air systems reach the surface and throw a few grenades down the ducts. For the good of humanity (whatever’s left).
Any thoughts about Madagascar or New Caledonia?
Madagascar’s always the hardest to wipe out in that Pandemic game, if that helps :P
I think the billionaires probably have given it a bit of forethought. On the positive side they’re an English speaking nation, and my Spanish is mid at best.
My crazy mom says she’s looking to move to Uruguay because when the nukes start falling they will most likely not have a ton of fallout to deal with.
I’m gonna run toward the light in that kind of scenario, personally. Nature will rebuild. In a WWIII scenario, the winner is evolution. Life will, uh, find its way.
It’s five and I’m driving home again
It’s hard to believe that it’s my last time
The man on the wireless cries again
“It’s over, it’s over”
It’s late and I’m with my love alone
We drink to forget the coming storm
We love to the sound of our favorite song
Over and over
Dancing, with tears in my eyes
Weeping for the memory of a life gone by
Dancing, with tears in my eyes
Living out a memory of a love that died
When the world ends, collect your things, you’re coming with me…
Don’t you do this to me, lemmy689. Don’t you hurt me with your heartfelt soliloquys and your lustful eyes
Behind the Bastards had a Christmas special non-bastard episode on the Tupamaros of Uruguay and Pepe Mujica. It does seem like they have some decent politics there.
Mujica might be the best politician that I saw in my life
Depends, are we riding out the rise of fascism or riding out WWIII? Those are two highly different scenarios.
Either way, a Pacific island sounds nice.
Totally agree, but you really never know where would be insulated from everything
I mean surely in the 1930s Hawaii felt like an excellent place to be insulated from war…
Not with rising sea levels
Okay, Newfoundland.
Fair. A boat anchored at a Pacific Island, while they exist.
Maybe I’ll dock at the Pacific garbage patch and distill my fuel from microplastics.
A proto-Waterworld scenario!
No gills for me, sadly.
The Pacific Garbage patch isn’t solid enough to dock on.
Also, Pacific atolls will be fucked, but high islands will be fine.
I think I am stuck in Texas
Ever read the book On the Beach?
Closest I’ve read is Lord of the Flies.
Hah very different themes I’d say.
On the Beach is about all the people who thought it’d be a good idea to move to Australia in case all the nukes drop during the Cold War, and then the nukes drop and everyone in the northern hemisphere dies and they survive, but then they realize they’re just waiting for the natural wind patterns to bring all the radiation over to them to kill them too. The only way to win is not to play.
So similar in that they’re both very dismal.
I read a short story with a very similar theme, could have been that book.
China obviously
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Oh no poor wasps can’t feel superior living in China!
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China doesn’t take refugees
You don’t have to become a refugee, can just get a job there.
You cannot be a refugee there, you need a job.
EU has 10% immigrants. China has 0,1% immigrants.
1,3 million Syrians took refuge in the EU while barely any could go to china.
China isn’t poor, they are unwilling.
Europeans have actively worked to destroy Syria and other countries along with the US, that’s why people are fleeing countries like Syria. Seems appropriate that Europe would be taking refugees from countries Europe helped destroy.
Say something bad about china :)
Europe lacks independence. There’s far right movements, infiltrated by foreign interest. There’s racism here.
USA is going totalitarian.
Now, say something bad about china :) you might get banned though by your homies
go back to reddit
I’ll do it for you.
China censors the shit out of their population. And if you want to be part of the 0,1% immigrants in china, you cannot afford to criticise a government of 1,4 billion people.
Because you are nothing compared to the government.
Go to china, so that I can’t read your comments anymore because of the great firewall.
If we take its actual definition; far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist, countries like Cuba for sure fits the bill. Now Cuba is authoritarian (and normal since they are in permanent and genuine threat from its neighbor) and probably that is not what is in your mind. Latin America is, as many as you pointed out, no ideal… but most countries there at least lacks of a strong government to enforce things (for better or worse) so, in a turbulent world, it is indeed a better bet. I think, for the time being, Spain has proven to be resilient to authoritarianism and even the voters of “extreme” parties are not that extreme themselves! In Latin America, Mexico is proven to have an amazing leadership (today, I consider it the best worldwide) so unlikely to change overnight. Colombia, Chile and Uruguay seems promising too.
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Thanks for the article! Yes, South America is not free from this. One thing I have learned in my life is that how similar people we are everywhere… only circumstances make us seem different. Long gone are my admiration for Scandinavians! What most South America seems however (specially if a sizeable country), is distant enough from China, US and Russia to be easily dragged along in a conflict… and also their governments are weak enough to implement a global draft for instance.
I hear you! That is why I wanted to go with the definition of Fascism, but you are right. Let me rephrase it; If the world continues the path it is going, countries like Mexico seems to be a great bet to move in if you come with some good financial resources since you can compliment’s government security with private methods ones (like a gated community). Mexico will likely be neutral in a global conflict. Likewise, Spain seems good because I don’t see Spaniards been dragged by Brussels into any global conflict and if their American bases there get attacked, I see most people just ask to withdraw from NATO before entering in conflict themselves. Morocco, in spite I despise what they do to West Sahara’s (in tents for 40 years) and its coziness with Israel, it is quite stable too… If Morocco leadership (and Spanish!) could only see how greatly they could benefit from the current situation if they both acted like Mexico… being neutral and be a beacon for skilled/affluent migrants and investment!
I am going to timetravel to the 1890s
The historian Zeev Sternhell has traced the ideological roots of fascism back to the 1880s and in particular to the fin de siècle theme of that time
(Wikipedia )
So if you could timetravel back a bit more and see if rebooting fixes this whole thing…
The dream of the 1890s is alive in Portland
It’s the dysentery, isn’t it?
Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
Australia. There really is no better place in the event of nuclear war. It’s a continent-island, meaning easy to defend, it grows and can build just about anything, and being in the southern hemisphere it should be safe from nuclear winter.
Specifically, a rural property somewhere agricultural. Maybe Queensland or Tasmania.
If you could move anywhere to minimize the impact on you of the worldwide rise of fascism…
That’s almost a different question, though. Whichever European country is the most securely democratic. There’s lots of non-war ways fascism can suck aggressively.
Australian here, we’re in the shit. A good chunk of our rural voters support the LNP (who are doing everything they can to copy Trump). Universal healthcare has been slashed down to an inch of its life, and employment prospects are terrible for most everyone under 50.
If you’re looking to escape the rise of facism, don’t. Come. Here. We’re lockstepping with the US and unless our upcoming election goes beautifully, we’ll get even worse.
I did split the question in two.
Australian here. I think that’s a pretty negative take.
Our healthcare is fucking amazing. I have a young family. My wife had a complex pregnancy. The care we received was just amazing. The specialist team was the best of the best. Astonishingly professional and well credentialed. State govt paid for an apartment in Perth for 3 months so we could be near her specialist. We didn’t pay a dime for any of it.
It’s true that we are sliding to the right, but less so than most other western nations. We are no where near as messed up as the US. Even France, UK, and Germany are much further right than us. We currently have a progressive government who is polling well leading into the election.
We pretty much have full employment. I’m hiring presently. I interviewed a candidate today who I will need to offer $40 an hour instead of the $28 an hour in the award.
Things could be better, but our quality of life is dramatically better than the average Americans.
Yeah it might be safe from nuclear winter but it is Australia it already has 10billion other things that can easily kill you.
That feeling when you survive the apocalypse only to get stung by a platypus and regret that you survived.
A platypus you mean Perry the platypus
That show would have been way darker if Perry had ever employed the fact he’s a venomous mammal.
Actually, it was a missed opportunity not to go with a female Perry and have an egg-hatching subplot. Their version of the platypus really didn’t do much.
There was one episode where they thought Perry had laid an egg.
Oh, nevermind, haha.
South America is a better place to go in a nuclear war, Australia is in NATO along with NZ, so it’s a target. Can’t really think of any particular targets in South America.
They are not in NATO, actually. That requires proximity to the Atlantic. They’re Western though, that’s true. Being in a city could be a bit of a risk.
In South America or southern Africa you’re going to deal with waves of people trying to expand in from the north. No way of life escapes that unscathed. Not to mention, the projections for food scarcity on other continents aren’t nearly as rosy, if there’s soot in the upper atmosphere, maybe because of the higher population to start with.
And then there’s poverty as a whole separate dimension of things. Here or in Australia I’m pretty sure the capacity to build things like generators will continue. In the third world there’s absolutely no guarantee.
Oh sorry, you’re right, they’re a partner of NATO but not in it.
Peter Thiel has new Zealand citizenship, so you should be safe there. He would never allow his bunker to get jeopardized
I would expect Australia to be important in a conflict with China, so unless you expect it not to happen, it really isn’t that great.
I’d expect them to stay out of it at this point, actually. They want to expand into the pacific, and the US and East Asian democracies want to stop them. Meanwhile, Australia also has affinities with now-distinct Europe, isn’t directly in the way of any of that, and depends heavily on China for trade.
And, even if it did become involved, dealing with a Chinese occupation isn’t going to be as hard as a nuclear winter or the total breakdown of modern civilisation.
I think I already live in one of the places least likely to be involved in WW3
The countryside of Brazil
In the previous two World Wars Brazil only got involved because people pressured the president to do so, otherwise we could have just sat the entire thing out.
Like, life will get shittier here too, but it is VIOLENTLY unlikely that there will be any fighting in our soil or even a draft to send soldiers to the war. (and I aggressively doubt there will be any kind of nuke-related mutually assured destruction shenanigans. The elites don’t benefit from causing the apocalypse)
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I’m thinking NZ or AUS
You might want to wait until after the May election to see whether Australia is immune to the rise of fascism.
If the Americans are dumb enough to start a war with China, the Aus vasals are the first to go.
Better not move to a city then.As an Australian, I’m often thinking about whether Russian or mandarin is the best language for me to learn. Definitely more rations for an interpreter
nz just voted a facist goverment and australia deports migrants to islands in the middle of nowhere. no.
