Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
I think we should go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over.
you’d certainly be able to have a freer conversation than on .ml
hurrrr ml 🥴
it seems a balance of -15 people don’t believe me. do you think i should explain?
I’m put of the loop on this.
I know ml are tankies but what has happened in the last few days?
All well and good until you turn up to see Farage posing with a pint.
We will know the best place after whatever event happens. It’s always hard to predict these things with so many variables.
Argentina probably. Generally the southern hemisphere is pretty safe. Nobody’s wasting nukes on brown people, except maybe Israel.
Wouldn’t bet on argentina. They’ve got their own dickhead in chief who’s also waging war against progress.
Yeah, it may not be the best choice, but not the worst either. They’re not much of a threat to the big powers, and if they just stay out of it they’ll probably come through fine.
You’ve got a lot more faith in the system than I do, I think. I don’t think people like Milei wouldn’t coup if a global conflict that strained trade routes were to happen. Authoritarians like him don’t need much prodding to take advantage of a bad situation.
Big hypothetical, ik, but it wouldn’t surprise me if people like him leaned on fascist legacy.
Argentinians are mostly white.
Most Americans have no idea how historically similar the US and Argentina actually were. It’s honestly weird that Argentina’s similar circumstances didn’t turn it into a great power like the US.
Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
Australia. There really is no better place in the event of nuclear war. It’s a continent-island, meaning easy to defend, it grows and can build just about anything, and being in the southern hemisphere it should be safe from nuclear winter.
Specifically, a rural property somewhere agricultural. Maybe Queensland or Tasmania.
If you could move anywhere to minimize the impact on you of the worldwide rise of fascism…
That’s almost a different question, though. Whichever European country is the most securely democratic. There’s lots of non-war ways fascism can suck aggressively.
Australian here, we’re in the shit. A good chunk of our rural voters support the LNP (who are doing everything they can to copy Trump). Universal healthcare has been slashed down to an inch of its life, and employment prospects are terrible for most everyone under 50.
If you’re looking to escape the rise of facism, don’t. Come. Here. We’re lockstepping with the US and unless our upcoming election goes beautifully, we’ll get even worse.
I did split the question in two.
Australian here. I think that’s a pretty negative take.
Our healthcare is fucking amazing. I have a young family. My wife had a complex pregnancy. The care we received was just amazing. The specialist team was the best of the best. Astonishingly professional and well credentialed. State govt paid for an apartment in Perth for 3 months so we could be near her specialist. We didn’t pay a dime for any of it.
It’s true that we are sliding to the right, but less so than most other western nations. We are no where near as messed up as the US. Even France, UK, and Germany are much further right than us. We currently have a progressive government who is polling well leading into the election.
We pretty much have full employment. I’m hiring presently. I interviewed a candidate today who I will need to offer $40 an hour instead of the $28 an hour in the award.
Things could be better, but our quality of life is dramatically better than the average Americans.
I would expect Australia to be important in a conflict with China, so unless you expect it not to happen, it really isn’t that great.
I’d expect them to stay out of it at this point, actually. They want to expand into the pacific, and the US and East Asian democracies want to stop them. Meanwhile, Australia also has affinities with now-distinct Europe, isn’t directly in the way of any of that, and depends heavily on China for trade.
And, even if it did become involved, dealing with a Chinese occupation isn’t going to be as hard as a nuclear winter or the total breakdown of modern civilisation.
South America is a better place to go in a nuclear war, Australia is in NATO along with NZ, so it’s a target. Can’t really think of any particular targets in South America.
They are not in NATO, actually. That requires proximity to the Atlantic. They’re Western though, that’s true. Being in a city could be a bit of a risk.
In South America or southern Africa you’re going to deal with waves of people trying to expand in from the north. No way of life escapes that unscathed. Not to mention, the projections for food scarcity on other continents aren’t nearly as rosy, if there’s soot in the upper atmosphere, maybe because of the higher population to start with.
And then there’s poverty as a whole separate dimension of things. Here or in Australia I’m pretty sure the capacity to build things like generators will continue. In the third world there’s absolutely no guarantee.
Oh sorry, you’re right, they’re a partner of NATO but not in it.
Yeah it might be safe from nuclear winter but it is Australia it already has 10billion other things that can easily kill you.
That feeling when you survive the apocalypse only to get stung by a platypus and regret that you survived.
A platypus you mean Perry the platypus
That show would have been way darker if Perry had ever employed the fact he’s a venomous mammal.
Actually, it was a missed opportunity not to go with a female Perry and have an egg-hatching subplot. Their version of the platypus really didn’t do much.
There was one episode where they thought Perry had laid an egg.
Oh, nevermind, haha.
Peter Thiel has new Zealand citizenship, so you should be safe there. He would never allow his bunker to get jeopardized
if teleportation is allowed, i would just telefrag putin in moscow.
Latin America. They are not aligned with NATO or Russia/China. And the level of life quality have greatly improved in later years. In fact many migrants feel cheated when coming here because they thought europe was better than it actually is in comparison.
You are very, very wrong
I’m staying right here in the imperial core where I can inflict the most damage when the time comes.
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We’ll know what the right answer was after it passes.
Chatham Islands ?
I chose Tasmania, am here now… I dont think anywhere is but i am hoping it’s lesser and i am not the literal tip of the spear.
Albiet the poulation is older, white, conservative, religious so there is that problem.
How do you like Tasmania?
Everyone saying Latin America has absolutely no clue about what Latin America is, lol. The only place safe from fascism rn is either another planet or being dead.
As a Puerto Rican, I am very upset about all the fascism taking place in our federal government
As a Costa Rican, I agree. Hell, we even have one of trumps deportation (concentration) camps over here
I could give a ton of counter examples based only in Brazil
Any plans to start saving up to move elsewhere, by the way?
No. Moving elsewhere is a high emotional and financial cost that I will avoid until it is not possible to avoid anymore (also, where in the world is safe of fascism rn?)
China obviously
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Oh no poor wasps can’t feel superior living in China!
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China doesn’t take refugees
You don’t have to become a refugee, can just get a job there.
You cannot be a refugee there, you need a job.
EU has 10% immigrants. China has 0,1% immigrants.
1,3 million Syrians took refuge in the EU while barely any could go to china.
China isn’t poor, they are unwilling.
Europeans have actively worked to destroy Syria and other countries along with the US, that’s why people are fleeing countries like Syria. Seems appropriate that Europe would be taking refugees from countries Europe helped destroy.
Say something bad about china :)
Europe lacks independence. There’s far right movements, infiltrated by foreign interest. There’s racism here.
USA is going totalitarian.
Now, say something bad about china :) you might get banned though by your homies
go back to reddit
I’ll do it for you.
China censors the shit out of their population. And if you want to be part of the 0,1% immigrants in china, you cannot afford to criticise a government of 1,4 billion people.
Because you are nothing compared to the government.
Go to china, so that I can’t read your comments anymore because of the great firewall.
My crazy mom says she’s looking to move to Uruguay because when the nukes start falling they will most likely not have a ton of fallout to deal with.
I’m gonna run toward the light in that kind of scenario, personally. Nature will rebuild. In a WWIII scenario, the winner is evolution. Life will, uh, find its way.
It’s five and I’m driving home again
It’s hard to believe that it’s my last time
The man on the wireless cries again
“It’s over, it’s over”
It’s late and I’m with my love alone
We drink to forget the coming storm
We love to the sound of our favorite song
Over and over
Dancing, with tears in my eyes
Weeping for the memory of a life gone by
Dancing, with tears in my eyes
Living out a memory of a love that died
When the world ends, collect your things, you’re coming with me…
Don’t you do this to me, lemmy689. Don’t you hurt me with your heartfelt soliloquys and your lustful eyes
Behind the Bastards had a Christmas special non-bastard episode on the Tupamaros of Uruguay and Pepe Mujica. It does seem like they have some decent politics there.
Mujica might be the best politician that I saw in my life
London. Thanks to the artefacts in the British Museum, nobody will dare to throw bombs there.
Famously, it didn’t stop the Nazis.
Iceland
Bold to presume that we would want to survive it.
Fwiw Musk says that he wants to leave Earth and go to Mars, which is great news for the rest of us:-).
To be fair, in Musk’s fantasy Mars is the easier planet to live on.
It’s not. The story about mars allowed Musk to build the rockets to launch the StarLink satellites.
Given the preparation for war with China, can we exclude that those satellites carry payloads to take down intercontinental missiles?
Otherwise the USA could feel safe and be willing to engage in a nuclear war.
