Oh noez! Anyway…
People need perspective. The right is literally killing people with policy and detaining /disappearing citizens and destroying this country.
The left is burning cars in protest as it actually hurts the bottom line of a right leader. The other leftists are more apauled at the burning cars than at the stuff the right is doing that is much worse.
I’ve got news for you. This is going to get a lot worse than burnt cars if you ever want it to get better.
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Its about hurting musk more than anything else. Its not about attacking luxury. Its not about attacking green. Its about hurting Musk since he is destroying lives with his doge bs. This is said as someone who has no interest in vandalizing Tesla’s. But I understand where they are coming from.
Because ‘luxury’ is a sliding scale. A lot of dudebros spend 100k+ on ‘trucks’ that have never seen dirt, let alone hauled anything. An acquaintance of mine has a V12 Jaguar that he has lovingly coddled back from the dead by sheer will and a LOT of late nights in his meager garage. He’s just to the positive side of ‘poor’ but that car is his fun-money-entertainment (doesn’t have kids or a GF at the moment).
the “left” has been in collusion with the right the whole time
no right and left citizens but just citizens caught in the crossfire being fed the horseshit that it is the US “two-party system”
Can’t wait to visit.
I’m indifferent on unsold Teslas being targeted, not like law exists in this country anymore. 🤷🏻♂️
I am absolutely 100% fucking appalled that people would be ok with doxing Tesla owners. These are real people with families who now have to fear for their safety because they thought it was cool technology when they bought the car. They also may not be able to easily afford to sell the car and buy a new or used one right away.
This does nothing good for anyone and hurts any resistance movement and sadly makes any resistance look like it lacks empathy for fellow human beings just like how what the right is doing shows they lack empathy.
Eh, I think most people would agree with you here but no one would go out of their way to stop or even denounce this cause that’s at the very bottom of the list of issues.
the ends justify the means. if we fail at this stage, dystopia will reign over western civilization for generations to come. the cruelest things we do to defeat the fascists pale in comparison to the damage they will do if they are allowed to take over.
Assuming for one moment that the ends really do justify the means, how is burning somebody’s car going to stop the rise of fascism?
it’s a war. all resistance is for the cause.
And how does trespassing on some random person’s property and destroying their car constitute “resistance?”
it’s a total rejection of musk. it will force tesla to oust him. the car owners are just pawns in a greater war against the fascists. sorry/not sorry.
I am doubtful.
Ok, say this all succeeds and Musk is thrown out of Tesla. What next? He’ll still be the a billionaire with a US President as a puppet and complete “authority” to continue gutting the federal government.
I’m usually really good at being able to be objective and see both sides of an issue. I just can’t do that with this. It’s equivalent to a gang spraying and praying and killing innocent bystanders and saying “Oh well, it was for the cause”. Like how is this any better than the right being ok with making millions of poor people homeless and hungry?
honestly? i don’t think i even care at this point. we’re a cancer. i’m in favor of just about anything that reduces the global population by half without destroying the environment or harming innocent animals.
rwandan style genocide seems like exactly what we deserve. i’d rather see the left pull it off than the right.
No innocent people on this website as far as I can tell
You shouldn’t be ok with doxing people even if they are not good people.
It’s an all or nothing standpoint. If you are fine with people getting doxxed for some reason you believe to be evil, then you inadvertently say that doxxing as a whole is fine. Eventually someone innocent is going to get doxxed, whether it be by accident (no such list of doxxed people is 100% accurate) or by someone with different viewpoints than you.
I don’t think you’ve looked at the website. The only individuals on there are Elon musk and cash Patel
Dogequest said it will remove the personal details of Tesla drivers only if they can prove they have sold their vehicles.
It is unknown if all the names listed on the map are Tesla owners. In New Jersey, the site listed close to 50 alleged owners.
NBC News spoke to six Tesla owners or their representatives who confirmed that at least some information on the website was accurate, though other owners said that in some cases phone numbers or addresses were out of date.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/tesla-dogequest-website-owner-list-dox-site-link-rcna197112
Considering one of their statement literally says that to prove you shouldn’t be doxxed you have to give out even more private info, it seems pretty telling.
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Especially now, selling a Model 3 to get something cheaper is going to be in “car is probably falling apart” territory. Those things are relatively cheap on the used car market now, less than you’d expect a random 2020 sedan to cost.
Oh I see! I do not support doxxing regular people
then you’re weak and a liability to the cause.
lol. How am I a “liability to the cause” exactly?
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anyone that makes goose and gander comparisons applying to both humans and sociopaths is woefully naive.
it’s ok when the good guys do it. we get all the exceptions, they get none. it’s a war. they’re not humans anymore. if we want to win, we have to see it that way. there is no amount of cruelty we can inflict on our enemies that will cause greater suffering than what happens if they win.
no fucking mercy. guns.
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There’s a used car lot across the street from my neighborhood with like 3 or 4 Model 3s under $16k.
The Model 3 has been around long enough and priced low enough for it to be in the realm of “boring option of a car”, no more a status symbol than a Toyota Camry.
And just like that we’re now all focused on the couple of (quite frankly) idiots that are burning consumers’ Teslas instead of the unsold ones at dealerships. Again. Just like every discussion of a protest is not about the tens of thousands of people protesting but about the 10 people looting.
Looks like the attempt to control the narrative is working as expected.
Reminds me: HOW THE HELL is their stock UP 23.72% this past week. I mean, what. the. fuck.
probably artificially kept up by investors, or by musk or his cohorts so they can sell thier stocks before it crashes.
Because investors know that they will almost certainly eventually be bailed out by a massive government purchase, so they bought the dip.
The same way a brand new crypto coin suddenly gain a lot of value. You bump it until you’re not the last moron holding the bag.
I fundamentally disagree with doxing regular people. It’s one thing if it’s a public figure who is actively antagonizing people and using anonymity as a layer of protection against repercussions for their awful acts. But publishing the names and addresses of people who simply bought a car is not something we should be doing.
Normally I’d agree.
But, I don’t really care anymore.
One side has crossed all sorts of lines and now pushback is happening. Innocents always get caught up in situations like that.
They can sell their Teslas.
As someone who was raised in a conservative family but who climbed through a great many hoops to finally arrive at socialist thought: if you nutters were the left while I made that journey, I doubt I ever would have finished it.
The world has enough psychos in it, please stop hurting people who you can’t even be sure are complicit.
I was also raised in a conservative family, and leftists vandalizing stuff didn’t stop me from arriving at socialism, at most it delayed it slightly since I wasn’t yet aware of what the driving factor was, which I ended up connecting later. Everything leftists do pisses off conservatives who have different motives, I don’t think vandalizing cars from fascists running our government is exceptionally different and I don’t think most people who are still developing a baseline political framework can afford them anyways so it doesn’t directly affect them.
Isn’t this just class infighting though, something completely against the benefit of the workers so the owners can continue to pick our pockets while we aren’t looking?
It’s never class infighting when you are attacking class traitors. They are free, of course, to stop being class traitors.
Same logic applies to cops.
If you truly think someone who bought a car years ago is a class traitor, I don’t really know what to say.
It’s not like we’re accusing them of planning it.
But the bottom line is the owner of the company they are supporting is a NAZI who bought a presidency and is deconstructing our government and illegally firing thousands of Americans.
If you continue to drive/buy Teslas, you are supporting that Nazi and empowering him to do more damage to our country.
If they are still driving a luxury car made by Nazis, to promote Nazism, even when it becomes very obvious a nazi symbol… Yes, they are.
First, Teslas are not luxury cars, haha. You could buy one for $35,000 USD right now, and their build quality is significantly subpar of luxury.
To the main point - look, I get it, the CEO is a Nazi and fuck anyone who buys or bought a Tesla recently, but punishing a working class citizen with a 5 year old car and telling them they need to take a loss and cough up for a new vehicle is extremely stupid and naive.
I sure hope you dont own a Volkswagen, as it’s a symbol of Nazism.
Luxury doesn’t imply quality. Plenty of luxury items are worthless trash, and it’s pretty clear that a main reason for their price dive is to do with context more than the product.
but punishing a working class citizen with a 5 year old car
Is this something that is actually happening? Or is this a hypothetical edge case that assumes anti-Tesla activists are ignorant?
Is the current execs of Volkswagem supporting a neonazi, right now?
No.
I still don’t own one, however.
And yes, I get it. Sometimes it is an inconvenience to oppose fascism. Wah.
And 5 years ago, Musk was still a shitstain, so even that excuse is flimsy as fuck.
Isn’t this just class infighting though
Nah. It’s trying to affect the bottom line of an extremely wealthy person who uses his wealth to the detriment of average Americans. Limit the wealth. Limit the amount of damage he can do. Or, we could do nothing to his bottom line and he can become even more wealthy and do even more than buy a presidency and deconstruct our government, illegally laying off thousands of federal workers.
Also, I can’t afford a Tesla. So I’m not even sure if I consider Tesla owners to be of the same class as I am.
You do know he already got paid for those so you are not impacting anything except some rando innocent person who now will actively hate your cause and move further towards the fascist side? Or maybe you don’t. Know it or not burning peoples Tesla’s is one of the absolute worst and stupidest moves someone can do if they actually want things to change. That just adds one more them to the “us vrs them”.
The damage done to the Teslas costs insurance companies money. Insurance companies hate paying for stuff, so if this is sustained, insurance rates for Teslas will increase. That combined with dealing with the vandalism itself gives customers a reason not to use a Tesla, which means car dealerships and rentals will sell less, who will then purchase less ultimately losing Tesla money. People who buy expensive cars from fascists who are actively controlling our government aren’t innocent, and IMO the people vandalizing Teslas are doing more for society than the peaceful parades and book clubs are since it actually costs them something.
And all those peoples whose cars burn turn to the MAGAts in a rage and join the team up to ‘own the libs’ even harder. Even if the plan worked, which is highly unlikely, it would do more damage than it would help. Yeah it would be great to tear down Musks fortune. Not going to stop Trump from being president though and it will make more people want to vote for his side next time. Yeah. That sound super helpful. Y’all are so convinced you are right that no argument is going to change your mind. You are as bad as a MAGAt when it comes to listening and really thinking about things you do not immediately agree with. Ignore the forest for the trees…
If these are the best ideas and people that the left has to offer we are never going to win this. Ugh.
If they’re pushed away from harming property owned by the relatively well-off but not from committing genocide on actual people, then that’s on them
If these are the best ideas and people that the left has to offer we are never going to win this. Ugh.
Do you have any better ideas?
Personally, I think people that own them should dump them, flood the market with used Swasticars nobody wants to be associated with. However, direct action does seem to be having an impact.
I suspect anyone the victim of this type of crime will think twice about buying another.
Not when that part of the class is determined to ruin everyone else in the class. Nazi’s aren’t a part of the community.
And everyone driving a Volkswagen is a nazi then too? If you support burning teslas, you must also support burning those
Well that’s a moronic argument
It’s not moronic, you are literally suggesting burning random people’s cars because the manufacturer is a nazi. I pointed out another example of such a manufacturer, and you have a problem with it.
Or if you want to be like that, how about just all classical voltswagons.
The CEO of Volkswagon isn’t currently doing a fascist coup you fucking moron
It’s not moronic
It is, because the arrow of time moves forward and you’re talking about a company a century ago vs. now as if literally nothing has changed about that company or the rest of the world around it in that time.
If it was 1938 right now, I’d be advocating burning the fuck out of Volkswagons. It makes literally no sense to do that now.
Not sure if you noticed, but it’s 2025, not 1938. Yeah, Volkswagon fucked up by supporting Nazis almost a century ago. The Tesla thing is happening NOW. Volkswagon is not the same company it was almost a century ago, just like I’m sure Tesla won’t be the same company almost a century from now, when the fucking Nazi that runs it is dead. Volkswagon is also highly responsible for the much, much safer 3-point seatbelt being standardized. So they’ve made positive contributions.
Yeah, I hate to break it to you, but people who bought a Tesla four years ago aren’t Nazis.
No, but they are supporting one by continuing to buy/drive them.
How is having a paid off car supporting anyone but one’s own means of commuting to work?
Because everyone is rich like you and can afford to just buy a new car because some CEO revealed himself to be an evil cunt. You are so out of touch it hurts my head. If folks like you are the majority of the people on the anti-musk side we are so very destined to lose this war. So discouraging, ugh. We have no chance at all with that mindset.
Because everyone is rich like you and can afford to just buy a new car because some CEO revealed himself to be an evil cunt.
Lol. Buddy, I can’t even afford a Tesla. And yes, if by owning a specific vehicle I was supporting a FUCKING NAZI who bought a presidency and was deconstructing the democracy I live in and firing my fucking friends from their federal jobs, you better bet your ass I’d do something about it. Like selling that fucking car and getting another one.
Sometimes you have to grow a pair of balls and do the right thing, even if it inconveniences you. And no one who owns a Tesla is in a position to be massively inconvenienced by getting rid of it.
I agree with you on doxing and am very confused by burning normal people’s cars as a strategy.
They didn’t “simply buy a car”, they bought a symbol, and everything that brings along with it.
If you buy one today, sure, a few years ago, before their QC issues and mush really started fucking with the company, they weren’t an awful deal.
Even the cyberdumpsters, you could have been on a waiting list for 3-4 years and paid a solid downpayment.
What happens if mush buys out Rivian, all those retroactively turn to shit?
They’re also probably trapped in a loan. That 50-60k car was financed. it’s now worth 1/3 of it’s original cost. A lot of people who shouldn’t have spent 50k on a car will because monthly payments make it affordable to them, now they sell it and can only replace it with a hundai.
I guess it sucks to buy a car from a nazi, huh?
This is not new… how long has he owned twitter? 3 years ago? How long has it been since he accused a lead of a rescue team of being a pedo? 9 years now?
now they sell it and can only replace it with a hundai.
Which is exactly what they should do, hopefully it puts a used one out to further prevent a (committed) buyer from getting a new one.
I’m not seeing normal people on this website. Am I missing something?
Is there a paywall-free version of this article?
What the fuck is wrong with people?
Lots of stuff.
We’re easily manipulated, and way too eager in general to choose our own short term gain over the good of the collective.
Individualism is weakness, not strength.
Why is it an either/or thing?
Because we glorify and often lie about what individuals can do, and literally villanize cooperation as somehow wrong and evil in western society.
You can’t build a skyscraper individually, yet we applaud the owners of them for their asset, when it took a collective of hundreds of laborers and engineers to build it who will never benefit from the fruits of it commensurate with they work put into the collective project. Which works for the sociopaths pushing individualism as they can create a collective through capital to accomplish what they want credit and profit from and then be dismissed, so they can propagate it’s their skyscraper that “they” built. cue Steve jobs coming out on stage to take credit for the new kind of phone HE implies having made without a drop of humility.
Then they use that as a cudgel to tell individuals without their greed disease, who don’t have the means to call on flash collective employees, that if they’re struggling they must be lazy or incompetent because the right people built skyscrapers all on their own by pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
Toxic individualism is a virus. Anything worth anything our species has accomplished has been the work of many, but the self-serving sociopaths that control the means of production and propaganda and state violence want you to be hostile towards the concepts of a social contract, and social equity, and society being judged by how it’s most downtrodden are treated. It’s destroying us, and it’s murdered millions of neighbors we betrayed to die under freeways of exposure for the crime of not producing value for sociopaths, aka “pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.” Easy to say as a nepo baby on a mega yacht barking dictates at assistants.
I know, it’s wrong our president and his best friend are openly Nazis. At least we know where to boycott!
People showing exactly where they draw the class line in here lmao
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The site is nearly useless anyway. It lists very few actual car owners and the ones I’ve looked at weren’t even accurate.
The energy is good, the aim is shit.
Children.
It still looks like there’s a clearweb site: https://dogeque.st/
I’m not sure if it’s a mirror or the OG. Love the custom cursor.
And, for convenience, the .onion link: dogeqstqzn2yjns2d6ccns7aa52tglno63ay2uv2orfvd7e23khcsxid.onion (you will need Tor to access)
“DOGEQUEST values your privacy and does not collect any personal information about our users.” 🤣
Anyone got the address? I want to add it to my block list so I never get tempted to visit it.
I went here https://dogeque.st/
Wherr there is the onion link dogeqstqzn2yjns2d6ccns7aa52tglno63ay2uv2orfvd7e23khcsxid.onion
Holy, I did not quite expect to have an interactive map. o.o
I want my information removed. Absolutely! Just provide us with proof that you’ve sold your Tesla. Email [email protected]. We only accept scanned documents in JPG and PNG formats.
Can I mirror this website? Of course! Anticipating that some might try to take us down, we’ve designed DOGEQUEST to be super easy to mirror. It’s just a single HTML file—no backend or external services required. Simply save the page from your browser. To display the map, you’ll need to supply your own Protomaps tileset. Grab one from https://maps.protomaps.com/builds/. Save the .pmtiles file as ‘tiles.pmtiles’ in the same folder as the DOGEQUEST .html file. You can reduce the size of the PMTiles file from around 120GB to about 15GB by extracting just the United States using go-pmtiles. Now, host both the .html file and tiles.pmtiles from the same directory using any web server that supports range requests. Seriously, any web server will do. And voilà, you’re all set!
This topic is unfortunately a black spot for the lemmy community. The hate boner for musk is so hard, that some people now fail to see that burning other people’s cars is a problem. This kind of behavior can lead to some very bad consequences for people who’s only crime was literally just buying a car. Kinda leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
The hate boner for musk is so hard, that some people now fail to see that burning other people’s cars is a problem.
So, you’d be ok with someone wearing a Nazi pin, because “It was their grandpa’s”?
Im gonna put it this way, I’d be OK with not burning down someones house because their their grandpa was a nazi and they lived in it before. Also, not even remotely comparable, get your head out of your ass.
Yes, I’d be ok with that, especially if they flew nazi flags “To memorialize paw paw”…
Which is basically the same thing as torching other Nazi symbols, like Teslas. Because it’s always acceptable, as a matter of community defense, to destroy Nazi iconography and property. Get your head out of your ass.
What if they were a Nazi because Papa Was a Nazi? Can I burn their house down then? Please tell everybody what’s acceptable. Be the Arbiter for the world. To what level are we allowed to defend ourselves against fascism?
Burning some random persons car is not defending yourself from fascism, lol. How stupid can you get? People are mad at Musk so they are trying to burn down anything associated with him. If anything you dumbshits are encouraging people to join the fascist side. You think someone who does not care either way is going to get their car burned by a Musk hater and all of a sudden think “Damn, you know what? Musk really must be a Nazi if someone burned my Tesla. I am going to join the cause~!”
Idiots are making more people join the other side with these misdirected angry outbursts against innocent folks. Especially since most of them bought them back before everyone knew Musk was a crazy Nazi.
I’m also curious. What’s okay for us to do and why?
I feel like a place to live isn’t a fair comparison but if we were to use that, can we burn someone’s house down if they bought their house from a known Nazi, and also knowingly made that Nazi a profit he could use to oppress people?
I’d bet that’s already widespread in America lmao
Lets just burn all the VW’s too they were literal card carrying Nazi’s. Who cares if it was 80 years ago these new owners should be punished! Driving a car made by a Nazi is driving a car made by a Nazi eh?
We are talking about current behavior, rigjt now. Not 80 years ago…
Simply moronic argument
My arguments are moronic, lol. Hard to believe you can even say that with a straight face. Fine you all want more people to join the other side obviously no argument from anyone is going to change your minds. Enjoy losing this war, whatever. No point in arguing, you are as bad as the MAGA fools when it comes to realizing when you are wrong. Anyone who disagrees with you is obviously wrong no matter what because you just can never be wrong about anything. Damn that sounds familiar.
There is no way that burning random peoples cars is going to do anything except make more people pissed at our side and push more people into Trumps arms. This is one of the stupidest things we could do. Burn the dealerships that is awesome, burn down Musks house even better. Burn down aunt millies Tesla? Pointless and counterproductive. You all sound like a bunch of pissed off teenagers. No logic, just anger.
All of the burned cars that I have seen have been owned by Tesla dealerships. At least people are attacking the company’s property at much greater scale than individual owners.
its mostly trucks and dealerships getting targeted.
