Men don’t want to be branded ‘creepy’ and women have constantly stated they want to be left alone. Men listened.
I assume years of collectively crying about it online has made something as simple and natural like dating seem like this unachievable task.
Not sure if it’s just me, but I feel like young people are less capable than ever to socialise. I thought I was a social pariah, but I don’t have shit on some people out there.
There’s no third places where you can just loiter.
I think a big part of it is online dating is just how it’s done these days.
But yes, we’ve done a great job of over-complicating something as simple as human interaction.
I think so too. Online dating is just too convenient. It’s easier to arrange a date while playing video games than going into a club or other places you don’t like to begin with. I won’t lament those places dying out. Fuck them, never felt comfortable there.
But online dating should have made things easier not worse. Then again those sites aren’t free of blame too.
The problem with online dating sites is that they have the wrong incentive. They want to make money, not bring people together into lasting relationships.
I’m actually surprised no one has made an open source solution. Probably because of all of the complexity of moderating a system like that.
It would be a sausage fest
There’s one, Alovoa.
In stark contrast to pubs and nightclubs
The difference is that pubs and nightclubs are not exclusively for people who are looking to meet other people. People go there with friends, to have a good time. Not so much with online dating sites.
I’ve never understood the appeal of meeting people at bars. If you want to build a relationship with someone, why not do it with someone you already know? Ask out a coworker or classmate or something. Why approach random people in bars purely based on their appearance?
Because there is a very real sentiment called “Don’t shit where you eat.” I learned it the hard way in two different workplaces. In the first one, we broke up and it ruined the work environment. In the second, the ‘no’ was expanded to HR complaints and lawsuits, again ruining the work environment. Knowing someone has (or had) romantic interest in you can be a pain, and it can definitely blow up a working relationship.
And then there are people like me, who don’t have the biggest friend group and it’s predominantly male. And my workplace is also highly male dominated. So I don’t have any women that I know that I could ask out.
Expanding your pool of potential mates increases the chance of finding a mate.
Because it’s a social environment. You don’t go purely on appearance usually, you see someone interesting, start chatting, maybe you flirt a bit and if the vibes are right you move forward. If anything it’s far less appearance focused than the apps where it’s a picture and a bio and not interaction.
As for why not coworkers and classmates and such, it’s fine if flirtation is happening. But to a certain degree it’s shitting where you eat. People have professional and to a lesser degree academic personas that are less who they really are than their social personas.
Pubs make just as much money if you’re in a relationship or not. The motivation is to sell you alcohol they don’t care about your relationship status.
Fair point.
Also, I agree the profit incentive is a huge problem.
pubs and nightclubs have limited tools for deciding who can interact with who, in comparison. No idea if that makes them work any better for matchmaking though.
I was a complete social reject in middle and high school so I don’t even know how to people but I just assumed that was just me and my miserable circumstances apparently a lot of people have the same problem?
Same, I struggle with people. I think it’s just that our kind of people are more active online.
From what I’ve seen/heard, it’s not specifically the ‘crying.’ It’s a general effect from online life. Online activities are much, much easier than in person. Want to feel a connection to someone? Here’s vloggers, talking straight at you in painfully earnest tones about everything in their life. Want someone to entertain you? Here’s half a dozen companies fighting to be the one you turn to. Hungry? Forget cooking. Here’s delivery options from everywhere. Horny? Porn! It’s all a click away and you don’t even need to put on pants. If getting a need met enough to get you to tomorrow takes no effort, many people aren’t going to put in the work to get, not even a guarantee, but only a chance at something better.
I keep saying this cause it’s a take a lot of people gloss over. I haven’t dated in a while because I’m too broke to add anything else to my budget, dive bars included. Dating takes time and money, and if I get more of either, I’m using it to better my situation before thinking about dating.
In a time where real wealth is dwindling for most young men, I can imagine I’m not alone on this.
Going through the same problem, I was in uni during COVID, when it hit many things in my life changed or left so I shut down and unfortunately couldn’t complete my degree in the end. Now I’m just job hunting and rebuilding and while I do feel pretty lonely at times, I realise I can’t even consider talking to a girl romantically until I can rebuild myself (my own choice). Luckily I have this close female friend who i can talk to makes me feel a little less alone
Life advice from an old’ish dude: find a girl when you are broke. She will always love you, not the money. She will also love you in hardship and she won’t care if you go for a walk or watch Netflix because it’s cheaper. :)
Well when men keep hearing “don’t approach us”, we shouldn’t be shocked when men don’t approach people.
Step 1- be attractive.
Just be funny and not a piece of shit. My wife is so gorgeous, people immediately know I have a good sense of humor and I’m supportive. I’m certainly not rich.
Granted, this is not a good approach for the apps. You need to be able to sell yourself in person. Best dating strategy in this case is making many friends, and some of them will be charmed into attraction. If I were dating, speed dating would probably be workable for this approach.
Step 2 - don’t be unattractive.
I’m at 0/2 so far are there any more steps?
Get a dog or cat or both.
Be rich
Step 3 - Repeat Step 1.
- Step 1. Be courteous
- Step 2. Interact with people in general
- Step 3. Ask our the people you’re genuinely interested in, and feel you have some kind of connection with, respectfully, knowing rejection is okay
Repeat until you get a date.
Being attractive helps a lot. Obviously. But you can put effort into your appearance. More than anything your personality is the thing that will get you a date.
Having tried Tinder 12 years ago, once, around the time I became an adult, why you’d choose it over asking people out in real life is beyond me. Especially if you’re not very attractive.
The meta is all off haha
If there is one thing the internet has overwhelmingly seceded at it’s convincing people that looks are absolutely everything. A lot of people I know tend to take their dating app experience as solid evidence of their romantic inaptitude. Even when it’s all too well known they are scams designed to keep you on their platform for as long as possible.
I know that preaching about stepping up to women may feel like the same way as saying: “Just be attractive, bro.” And if it does, to that I say: Do it and practise it for the sake of it. “That looks like a nice person, let’s find out what they’re about, for no damn reason at all.”
Anyway, my two cents. And if it helps whenever you’re scared of striking up a conversation just keep in mind: “The alternative is dating apps.”
At the same time, lots of men are really shitty when they “approach” women.
“Don’t approach us” is a response to men’s behaviour, not the other way around.
So yeah don’t approach women, got it.
Very incel-y, but sure.
Or, you could take it as a statement with the subtext that it clearly has, which is “dont approach us if youre going to be an asshole.”
If you would rather stew in bitterness than adjust to the above, the first option is likely better for everyone.
I think if women meant that they would say it instead of “never approach women”
Blaming men for listening to women is some new level of crazy
So option 1 I guess.
Way to be mad at 4 billion people because you dont want to be a decent human being.
Your inability to understand nuance might be part of the problem. Having to explain every single exception spelled out literally takes too long to get the guy acting creepy away from them.
You haven’t explained anything, you just keep shitting out the same response hoping you’ll shame me into going away.
Yeah, because you’re drowning in self-pity instead of understanding that men are the problem in the vast majority of cases. You’re bitching around instead, that’s typical incel behavior.
You can go up to a woman and flirt with her - just don’t be an asshole and accept a “no” without crying or further harassing her ;) It’s really not hard. Most appreciate it.
Cry me a river. I’ve never heard a women say “don’t approach me”, but I’ve heard many say “don’t be a douche” and “stop thinking you’re a fucking victim”.
You already forgot the bear in the woods?
IDK women are not scared of me. Maybe the problem is you? Maybe you’re not the victim you think you are and you’re just an ass?
These guys are forgetting that you were the only man that they would prefer over the bear.
Congratulations
Geez you incels are stupid. Between victims like you and wannabe “alpha males” who wanna jerk one another, I agree mens are now a bunch of losers who wont ever get laid.
Get ratiod incel
I thought about it and you’re right, you’re a victim. Women are bad, just don’t approach them and find other dudes likes you to hang out. Good luck.
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women are not scared of me
So you’re a pathetically tiny and weak man let, or you’re just unaware of the feelings of women?
You’re not a man, you’re a victim lol. Get use to porn.
The fact that yall are still this mad about this just proves that the entire point behind the thought experiment is right.
The bear metaphor was obviously thinly veiled racism/xenophobia from the start. Lots of conservative/moderate women who are terrified of anyone who isn’t white or who is “illegal”
That’s like 10 whole new levels of not getting it
The goal was to increase fear of the “other” - which is a classic right wing tactic.
The bear meme was a conservative astroturfed campaign to push people right - which is why it appeared shortly before the 2024 US elections
That’s…just no. Wtf? No.
Source: I’ve actually listened to women, in person, describe their reasoning, instead of making up my own justification for something like the incel community decided to do.
The goal was to increase fear of the “other” - which is a classic right wing tactic.
The bear meme was a conservative astroturfed campaign to push people right - which is why it appeared shortly before the 2024 US elections
This is very tinfoil hatty
Apparently you already forgot their reasoning behind it. A bear is a known quantity. Humans can lie to gain your trust, then turn on you. They weren’t saying all men are bad, they were saying that meeting a stand man alone in the woods - you have no idea how this person will act.
This thread is just incels outing themselves
I don’t know what the problem is there but I can say Im stretched too thin. I once went on Prozac and it completely changed my energy levels for a time. Unfortunately, the effects wore off within a year and everything was a slog again. It just sucks to know what it feels like to have excess energy and all the dopamine that comes with it only to go back to critically low levels.
The end of the day the amount of time I would need to sort all my shit out is just not afforded to me. So I go with incremental improvements and the way things are, the world is getting shittier faster than I’m getting better.
That feeling of not being able to keep up is very real.
Ah, work/life balance
fr, i miss just having time to be bored. Fuck, it just feels like being a perpetual hamster on a wheel.
Speed dating is dumb anyway
Tell that to the woman you’re not speed dating rn
Need for Speed Dating: Most Unwanted (2005)
I’m 41 now but I haven’t gone on a date-date in 3 years or so. The TL;DR online dating is absolutely not worth participating in. Neither is speed dating, and people are isolating more and more.
I’m not wildly attractive but I’m not unattractive either. I’m probably like a 6 or a 7. I think I’m interesting and can hold a reasonable conversation. I’m intelligent. I’ve been told I’m funny (sometimes). I am a bit clumsy sometimes though. I’ve been in two long term (3+ years) relationships in my life but one of those relationships ended due to alcohol (we mutually sucked at the time), and the other due to financial reasons. Both hurt pretty deep when they ended and I didn’t date for a couple years after either of those.
In the time that I wasn’t feeling some form of loss from relationships that meant something, I tried online dating. I tried OkCupid, Bumble, PlentyOfFish, some bullshit regarding a bagel, Tinder, match.com, etc. I probably tried any of them that were active at the time. Not once did it ever amount to a relationship, in probably 15 years of using those sites off and on. I’ve unquestionably had more bad experiences than good. 9 out of 10 dates are bad. 1 ouf of 10 are ok. The worst time I recall was when a woman drugged me after our date. Another bad time I can recall, my date showed up on drugs or drunk or just incredibly stupid or something. She racked up a $110 bar tab during our 30 minute meet and greet and dipped out without saying anything at all or paying the bill. I was once catfished (is it catfishing when it’s just straight up someone else’s picture, or does it have to be your own picture doctored up / photoshopped to be considered catfishing?) by a co-worker on Bumble. I’ve been stood up for a first date at three or four times. I’ve been cancelled on an hour or two before a date at least 15 times.
The last time I had an online date, everything seemed to be going fine, we had a drink at the first bar, established that we seemingly got along, went on a walk around downtown, check out a show and then all of a sudden I’m being told about a sex kit that she purchased from a vending machine while I was in the bathroom that she wants to try out. I thought she was pretty cool before that. I wasn’t 100% sure if I was attracted to her, but I knew we at least got along on a person-to-person level. Telling me about a sex kit like that on the first date was a “eh, hard pass” for me. Women have either been fully uninterested in me; or so interested in me that I find it repulsive.
Speed dating is also, completely shit; and it’s a scam. The first time I tried speed dating, it was some website where you pick your city, your age range, and then what event you’d want to attend based on your other parameters. They take your money, and then send you an email a day before the event saying the event is cancelled because they couldn’t get enough people, but you cannot have a refund either. Then you attempt to re-schedule and it gets cancelled a second time for the same reason, then a third. Finally - you attend one of these things in person, end up getting “3 matches” emailed to you, and then you attempt to make contact and never hear from anyone ever again.
I felt like a complete horses’ ass when I attempted to do speed dating a second time 12 years later and had a very similar experience. This second time around though, I did a charge back on my credit card after the 3rd cancellation because “they couldn’t get enough people to attend.” Thanks for nothing Troy.
After soooo many bad experiences, and never having any success with what are the now conventional methods, and coming to the realization that I’m likely halfway dead now… I feel like I have a trauma response to the idea of dating at this point. I’d still like to be in a happy relationship, but even thinking about trying the methods I’ve tried in the past one more time causes me anxiety.
I’m introverted by nature, and as of 7 months ago, I live alone in a state, where I also work remotely from home and know no one. When I first got here, I tried a few events from Meetup.com thinking, “hey, maybe this is how 40-year-olds make friends,” but didn’t enjoy anything that I went to, other than the events where people sit in an audience quietly and watch someone else on stage. I found a really cool thing that I like attending where anyone is welcome to get up on stage and tell an 8 minute story about pretty much anything - fact or fiction. I really enjoy attending these, but it’s no way to meet people. The epidemic in question is absolutely not just about dating. It’s about making friends too.
I imagine I’m not alone in my experiences.
Most of the men in these comments have never tried speaking to a women.
Is Anon talking out their ass with those stats, or is this actually true?
Here’s the study https://datepsychology.com/risk-aversion-and-dating/
Well, that’s depressing. Although I understand why, if you’re not socially confident, approaching a woman romantically can feel terrifying.
I do find it interesting that most young women do want to be approached more, I wasn’t expecting that.
I also note the study is silent on how many women have approached a man, and I don’t think they even asked the question.
Depressing? Why? One could choose to live in certain way.
Theres definitely a truth to it, younger people are drinking less and less every generation, which takes its toll on bars and to some extent clubs too.
Drinking less is probably good. I doubt that automatically leads to less dating.
Isn’t it also because going out nowadays is expensive as hell especially if you live in a big city. Young people working part time aren’t going to waste one month’s salary on one night out. And just hanging outside in public sharing a beer will make a nosy boomer call the cops on you for loitering. So the younger generations have learned how to have fun at home without booze.
There’s never been a point in my life where going out drinking all night has made financial sense. A meal and a beer at a pub, sure, but bars are expensive. And loud. And cramped.
The kids are on to something.
Having fun does not need to make financial sense.
And yet finances are what enable some kinds of fun. $10 dollar indie game you play for a month or one night out for $200. Guess which men are picking.
Hell, $29 and the factory continues to grow for years of entertainment. That’s not even a full meal with drink and tip at most bars.
$200 for 1 night out is crazy. Can’t you just pregame a bit (courtesy of public transit), then go to some bars and get some cheap drinks for $5 or less each?
It does if you’re poor.
You just have to live in the right city with sufficiently high rates of alcoholism! In Fargo, ND you could get a tall 200 lb+ man proper sloshed over an evening downtown across 5-8 bars for $50 or less as recently as 2019. Not as cheap as drinking at home, but enough that most folks without kids working full-time could do it every other weekend.
See, but that’s the rub! Who the fuck wants to spend $50 and go to that many bars? I could get a new AAA game for that much that I’ll play for hundreds of hours. Or 10 indie games that I’ll play for longer!
$50 fro 6pm-2am is cheaper per hour than a movie ticket or dinner at a restaurant, and hitting that many bars is easy when they’re all on the same 2-3 block stretch!
Fargo, ND
Well there’s your problem, North Dakota doesn’t exist.
If you heard the horror stories I heard from friends that went there to work the oil fields, this would be a very very good thing.
$50 or less in 2019? I live in a more urban area of the US than this and if you pregame and go with friends, you can get the equivalent of 5 drinks at 3 bars for well under $20. In 2025.
we need cannabis lounges
Fuck, and I was just reading Homelessness Is A Housing Problem, and they were talking all about stats and to not buy into intuitive narratives, and low and behold, I have bought into this without looking it up. Guess I should get onto that now.
(And by reading the book, I mean I use a GlaDOS voice pack from Hugginface using SherpaTTS. What a vibe.)
wait what, you can get a GlaDOS voice pack for TTS engines? damn. i guess there goes my afternoon. thanks for the hint 😁
does it try to murder you?
No, but it does try to destroy my self-esteem. One could say that is a type of murder.
Tbh playing Magic the Gathering or Warhammer 40k with random dudes at a hobby store is cheaper and more fun than most traditional dates I’ve been on.
Let me offer a scenario; two drunk people who wouldn’t normally go near each other spend a night together. The morning comes, regret is in the air for both parties, which of these two people is most at risk?
The correct answer is: “the one who doesn’t accuse the other on social media”.
Just remember, no-one gave any indication of gender there. It’s not really about gender at this point - it’s the fact we’ve constructed a world where a casual encounter has the potential to become the prisoner’s dilemma if it is regretted afterwards.
That’s not a world where people take risks on a date, especially if physical intimacy is on the cards. To much risk!
Didn’t they explicitly ask via #metoo movement and what not for men to NOT approach them directly ever or else they screem that this is harassment?
No that’s totally different. You can approach women just don’t be a douche/creep and respect the rejections and otherwise when it works you’re in.
Your point holds under circumstances that make them uncomfortable like during night or when they’re feeling unsafe because a few bad apples do invoke trauma.
If you’re not a bad apple you have nothing to worry about. Except femcels, those ones are misandrists and theres no hope like for incels. Leave them to correct themselves or stay alone forever.
If you’re not a bad apple you have nothing to worry about. Except femcels, those ones are misandrists and theres no hope like for incels.
It’s not always immediately obvious who those are. So every interaction is a dice roll to see if you get a date, get rejected politely, or screamed at and publicly dragged through the mud. Remember the Instagram gym girls yelling at gym bros glancing in their general direction? For a lot of younger men, the consequences of the risk, however small, outweigh the reward.
And women run the gamble of getting murdered because some little man couldn’t handle rejection, gonna be honest here bud, I think that’s a little bit worse than being posted on someone’s cringe compilation.
It’s not a competition.
They’re explaining why men might not approach. Jfc.
I think that speaking out loud about malicious activities towards women is important and yes, harassment is real, but it really feels like society became almost too sensitive when it comes to approaching women. Some years ago there were video campaigns where they would literally show how one men stops another from talking to stranger female, before he was given a change to be either creepy or nice and respectful with like assumption that this is bad anyway. And also who’s to judge where’s the boundary between being creep or not anyway, this can be very subjective.
And it’s not my POV, I just speak about what I see in internet/media. Being gay introvert I couldn’t care less about talking to strangers…
Not all men. You. They don’t want YOU to approach them.
*you all
If you mistook ‘don’t be creepy’ for ‘don’t approach women at all,’ then yeah. You’re probably in a mental place where you shouldn’t approach.
No dating for the autists who aren’t good with social cues, got it.
Dating is a social activity. I’m not sure how you do it without being able to perform socially, but there’s probably resources out there to learn from.
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This comment said “newsflash not every animal gets to reproduce,” which equates autistic people with less than favorable social skills to animals who deserve to die without experiencing love.
Mmmmhmm. Howbout you go fuck yourself Mr. “Deleted.”
(Also side note, username checks out, but dating != reproducing necessarily and the person who posted that is a clinical moron.)
Given how a lot of women are, don’t be creepy does mean “don’t approach them at all. Unless I’m interested in you, which I won’t tell you because men have to make the first move”.
That wasn’t my experience at all when dating. Just treat them like a person. Be friends. If you get on ok, then make your move. They often beat me to it.
If the cold open approach isn’t working, change strategies.
if bars are empty that’s because you live in a weird suburb
Yeah bars are not empty in places that encourage going to places without a car. If you need to be sober to go to and from a bar, then nobody will go to a bar.
in my experience every single person in a suburban american bar is drinking and then driving home
Which through natural selection results in reduced amounts of bar goers.
One more reason to consider suburbia a dystopian hellscape.
It is
Americans need to adopt the UK system for bars.
The correct number of bars is equal to, one per every 20 people in the town and they should be at the corner of residential streets and not in the town proper. They all need to be called things like “The Slug and Cabbage”
Alcohol is damned expensive at bars, and the number of people who drink is going down over time.
Nobody really cares about men besides a minority of men and an even smaller minority of women. The remainder only consider men in as much as it pertains to validating women. If you reduce women to being brood mares and play things for men it’s sexist but men being seen as nothing but wallets, sentries and sex toys for women is just fine.
I sometimes wonder why so many people consider negative effects of porn on relationships obvious while completely disregarding negative effects of romance fiction on relationships (among other things the concept of a soulmate you have to just find and then everything in the relationship is effortless afterwards).
Christians are actively waging a war on porn, that’s why.
The book bans are a war on romance fiction. I think I live in a state where it’s the most egregious though, so maybe this isn’t as wide spread yet as the porn bans.
I’d love to see what you’re basing that conclusion on. Most American women identify as feminist, which aims to liberate men as it does women from deeply entrenched gender norms. Less men identify as feminist, and one could argue some of that loss is because some men don’t value the liberation of women while still valuing the liberation of men. Admittedly, not all feminists are working towards liberation equally, but at its core it’s about self determination for everyone regardless of sex or gender. Most marriages in my social circle have the woman earning more than the man, and the men are not operating as “sentries” or “sex toys” in these relationships. Most do not need a male protector at this point and can certainly get sexual gratification solo or elsewhere if something happened. If you’re not American I can’t really speak about your country, and even in America lived experience can differ, but it seems reductionist to say nobody cares about men.
It seems like you have an interest in crypto, which is fine, but that community seems to self select for a certain type of person. It’s possible you’re just not in spaces where the majority of people behave the way the general population does.
Most American women identify as feminist
white women voted for trump 65 to 35, so thats a lot of feminists voting for a rapist or your statement might be wrong ;)
This is an easily accessible statistic. If you want to discuss what it means that a third of Americans didn’t vote, or issues with intersectionality, I’m happy to do so, but the statistic comes directly from pew: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/07/07/61-of-u-s-women-say-feminist-describes-them-well-many-see-feminism-as-empowering-polarizing/
I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s not super relevant to the conversation at hand. Some women voted Trump. Women as a whole did not. If we’re using voting Trump as a proxy for feminism/supporting men and womens liberation then the commenter would have to at least concede that women are more likely to support men’s liberation than men are. Also, if this is to be a discussion of white women as it relates to respecting men, if men believe that nonwhite women are most likely to respect then then I’d love to see more men embracing their representation and elevating nonwhite women. I don’t really see that. So it then goes back to why are men not supporting men? Why are men not elevating people that support men?
Many Americans identify as Christian while also openly chasing status and wealth. My point being, ideology does not always change or improve behavior. Most people who claim a particular dogma will not accept or even understand its core tenets. I dare say that most self identified feminists are not in it for the benefit of all.
I have had conversations with such women, listened to their issues and watched as they have dismissed the concerns of others. I know from close acquaintences that white feminists really struggle to extend that spirit of equality to non-white female feminists, how much worse will they thus act towards men?
There is a reason why marriage rates have dropped while rates of sexlessness for younger men have increased. Maybe your circle and observations are not the norm?
P.S. Your assertions about cryptocurrency are way off base, I’m into tech. I used to mine and there are some projects that I have found useful. I do not associate with too many crypto people in meatspace.
I would not suggest that purported ideology is a perfect proxy for behavior, but it is a statistic I can cite. I did not see you cite any statistics. I brought up personal experience, as did you, and they are obviously different, but that doesn’t make one inherently more valid.
Sure, there is a reason why marriage rates have dropped, but if you’re claiming it’s because women view men as wallets and sentries and sex toys, then I’m not sure you understand the historical context of marriage. Money and protection and socially acceptable intimacy were the driving forces behind marriage since women couldn’t have jobs or bank accounts, nor were they allowed any physical intimacy outside of wedlock. So it seems weird that now in a more free society you come to the conclusion that the decrease in marriage is due to that, considering if anything it’s been more true historically than currently.
Are you’re purposely ignoring women in the crypto space?
I do not purposefully ignore women in any space. Back to the actual topic:
What makes a man “marriageable”? In addition to being a romantic arrangement and a family form, marriage is an economic institution. So, when men lack economic resources, they may be less likely to marry. https://www.weforum.org/stories/2018/11/what-upticks-in-u-s-economic-inequality-and-incarceration-mean-for-marriage/
Men’s odds of being in a relationship today are still highly correlated with their income,” Stone said. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/america-marriage-decline/681518/
Low income women are also less likely to marry. That doesn’t mean that men are viewed as wallets. It certainly doesn’t indicate an increase in men being viewed as wallets. Income correlates with a lot of things such as health and education level.
This doesn’t back your initial claim that people overall do not care about men.
The reason I bring up your interactions with women in crypto spaces is because I find crypto spaces to be overly focused on wealth. It’s possible those interactions are coloring your perspective. If you disagree then I’m not sure why you’re not interacting with more women in that space irl. It’s possible there’s an issue with building community that isn’t local and therefore your irl options don’t share your interests/values. Not specifically you related, just in general as things get more online.
I’ve been involved in bitcoin since it was worth pennies. I’m involved monero for the tech, not the wealth acquisition. Monero in particular is about being able to send money to whomsoever you want, wherever they are in the world for whatever reason you desire. Definitely not for wealth. You’ve got the wrong guy with that.
Ok. That still doesn’t address your initial comment about people not caring about men, but it seems like that’s not actually a conversation you’re interested in. It’s extremely sad that people are becoming increasingly isolated and their worldview is being warped by things that are divorced from their day to day and exist exclusively online. I really hope that people are able to actually interact in a meaningful way with each other so that this skewed perception can be dispelled. People care. Not just about men as a whole, but about men as individuals. I sincerely hope one day you’re able to recognize that.
