• @[email protected]
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    Don’t forget - you were also BORN into a once in a generation economic crisis: The savings and loan crisis of the 1980s and 1990s was the failure of approximately a third of the savings and loan associations in the United States between 1986 and 1995. These thrifts were banks that historically specialized in fixed-rate mortgage lending.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis

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    Well, if US attacks Canada, Greenland, Panama, Greenland and Iran, then we will see once in 10 generation stuff !

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      What is so fucked is that many people who experienced ww1 also lived to see ww2 and the build up to it. If there was one thing that the 90s promised was that the future was gonna be a cool and better place. I mean the internet has given me the gift of being able to acquire all the knowledge I want, but the downsides have been massive.

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      Capitalism works if we factory reset it every 10 years or so.

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        That 10 years coincides with US debt and bankruptcy law. “Like a free Uno reverse card”, a quote that needs be in grade school textbooks.

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        Capitalism works when it’s allowed to work, and part of that is strong social safety nets… For the people, not the companies.

        If we’d let banks and businesses fail in 2008 it, it would have been devastating at the time, but we wouldn’t be in this hot mess today. Because the government is so friendly to failed businesses, models that play fast and loose can make huge profits, squirrel away that cash, fail, and then get bailed out by the taxpayer. Meanwhile, slower and more stable institutions get outcompeted in the short term, and don’t get bailed out when they withstand the failing economy events.

        Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

        Oh, and we need actual monopoly laws. No way in hell Amazon isn’t a monopoly.

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        Was the 2002 a year of recession? Or is the stock market downturn considered a recession because rich people lost money?

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          Unlike wealth, losses usually trickle down. When companies go bankrupt their employees loose their jobs. Millionaires actually love recessions, Jack Welch said:

          Never miss out on an opportunity like a good recession.

          The 2002 recession was not as global and universal as later ones. The dot com bubble mostly affected tech companies, and the internet was not as common as nowadays. I asked my parents once how they felt that recession, when I first read about it later, I was in school in 2002. They said they didnt even know there was a recession that time, in eastern europe it wasnt noticably worse than the chaos of the 90s

          There is a simpsons episode about the bubble, s13e18, aired in 2002:

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Furious_(Yellow)

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        Didn’t that pay off so well. How many American soldiers were killed, injured, or traumatized? How many innocent Afghani and Iraqi civilians were murdered? And for what? ISIS and the Taliban now have complete control over that entire region.

        And to the people saying how much better Bush was than Trump as well as the dumb as fuck democrats embracing that fucking war criminal Cheney, I say you all need to get your god damned head examined. Trump’s election denialism was born out of the Brooks Bros riot in Florida during the 2000 election and Trump is absolutely hoping for some terrorists to kill Americans so he can declare martial law and suspend elections in order to remain president indefinitely. Bush and Cheney lead to this. This was every republican’s goal.

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          Worth remembering that Trump didn’t recreate the Republican Party, he just embraced the manipulative aspects of republicans and made that his entire thing. Would I rather have Bush or Trump? It’s honestly a tough one. I could see Trump killing our democracy. Maybe that’s worse than the Iraq and Afghanistan war war.

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      If it hasn’t yet it’s about to. 1-5% daily drops across the stock market for the past month pretty much and now with a 10%+ minimum tariff on all imports means everything is going to get way more expensive. I’ll chew a brick if we’re not in a recession by the end of the year

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        At that point, is it a recession or should we just call the 2020s: depression part 2 AI boogaloo?

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        At this point I’m just ignoring my 401k and hoping time in the market makes up for this fuckery…

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          Just keep contributing the same amount if you can. Best case scenario you are buying low and it will go up a lot in the future, worst case is money is not worth anything so it doesn’t matter anyway. Unless you are retiring in like, 5 years, then you might be fucked.

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            Yeah, this is pretty much where I am right now. And no, I’ve still got 2-3 more ‘once in a lifetime recessions’ to live through before I retire, which is why I’m ignoring it. That’s future spooky’s problem.

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        That brick might be your only source of essential minerals and nutrients by the end of this year. You’ll need to learn how to go without, and make that single brick last until 2028. Also, you’ll need to work 80hrs a week to afford it.

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      We were in the beginning stages of a recession Sept 2019, before COVID hit, and the Trumpster is doing the same shit now, so…

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    It’s the same crisis, in various stages of escalation. The rich are squeezing more and more of the lower and middle class all over the world, and there is almost nothing left to squeeze.

    The next few years will bring a massive collapse in government services (the USA is starting) for ordinary people, because that is one of the last things that the rich can still squeeze out.

    After that, there will be only the ultra rich and the destitute poor left; and the ultra rich will only be able to take from each other.

    This will mean war, and they will send you all into it.

    Unless we stop it now. Tax the rich.

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      After that, there will be only the ultra rich and the destitute poor left; and the ultra rich will only be able to take from each other.

      It’s already starting to happen. Half of consumer spending in the US is done by just the top 10% of earners. For an economy built on consumer spending this means that you get more economic growth by giving those rich people more money to spend, not by lifting up the other 90%.

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        For an economy built on consumer spending this means that you get more economic growth by giving those rich people more money to spend, not by lifting up the other 90%.

        You’ve gone and mixed up correlation and causation here.

        The top 10% arent spending 50% of the money because they are the glorious saviors of the economy, protecting and nurturing it while us poor people thoughtlessly hoard and save all our wealth. It’s actually quite the opposite.

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          I’m not saying it’s a good thing. It’s a symptom of the concentration of wealth.

          But if you’re a politician and want a quick, popular, short-term solution you get quicker effects giving the big spenders more money. It would be better to lift everyone, but that takes a lot more work.

          Which is what’s been happening for decades, and has gotten us into this mess. We’ve been kicking a lot of cans and we’re running out of road.

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            Except that isn’t true at all. The COVID stimulus checks were a huge boon to the economy and cost about 800 billion dollars, meanwhile just the first round of trump tax cuts are projected to cost the US 1.5trillion. Dollar for dollar, providing spending power to the lower income earners generates more economic stimulus. Talk to someone making less that 200k a year, and there is a laundry list of items they need or want to purchase. Ask a billionaire what they are waiting for the money to buy, and it’s nothing. When you have an unlimited check book, why would you wait?

            The whole reason why the top 10% spend 50% of the economy, is because they have 99% of the disposable income. The idea that the poorer 90% of us are hoarding money more than the freaking multi-million/billionaires is laughably out of touch.

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              Exactly. The only real problem with the covid stimulus was that they were implemented quickly, and that they occurred simultaneously with covid-related supply chain disruptions. That’s why so much inflation happened. You could make that level of stimulus permanent without any inflationary effect as long as you slowly ramped up the stimulus over a decade or so. You wouldn’t want to implement a $20k/year UBI overnight. That would cause huge inflation. But if you slowly ramped it up, that would give time for the production system to slowly expand to meet the need.

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        Except they could still do that level of spending while not perched atop a massive hoard, and the rest could do cumulatively more spending via their sheer numbers if said hoard were distributed more evenly.

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          That’s why I support a maximum wealth cap. My preferred figure is 1000x median household income. Anything beyond that is taxed at 100%. I don’t even care what the wealthy do with the money over that wealth cap. Donate it, spend it on conspicuous consumption, I don’t care. What matters is that the wealth isn’t pooling at the top, allowing the wealthy to outbid everyone else for things like housing.

          Hell, imagine a world like that. Maybe at the end of each year, the rich burn off all their excess wealth by throwing giant lavish parties that they invite the entire populace of their cities to. Or maybe they just cut everyone a check. If you’re forced to burn off all your excess cash, you might as well burn it in a way that makes you popular.

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        Trump45 term benefitted signifciantly from QE based suppressed low rates that inflated financial assets, and so made rich people richer without creating inflation as wages and jobs were flat (until way down from covid mismanagement). He/sycophantic media could boast about economy without improving people’s lives.

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        this means that you get more economic growth by giving those rich people more money to spend, not by lifting up the other 90%.

        This is probably true for industries like fashion, but I disagree with this point applying in general. There is only so much food, gasoline, and paper products an individual is willing to buy, no matter how rich.

        The restaurant industry, for example, would collapse as we know it if most non-wealthy people suddenly don’t have any extra income to spend on prepared food. They need velocity in orders just to remain open at all. I doubt most places could remain open off of a few rich people buying a lot.

        This isn’t to say that they won’t stop extracting more from the lower earners. Many of them would be fine killing off industry if it makes themselves richer. I personally think all of it’s a short-sighted cash grab that’s gonna keep poisoning the economy until something changes.

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    Capitalism cannot continue to exist without it begging for socialist bailouts.

    Just proves that socialism is superior. It can even float a shit system like capitalism as it continues to fail.

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      The only way to really make capitalism work in the long term is if you pair it with sufficient social spending to provide a substantial redistributive effect. A free market, if you can maintain it, is a wonderful thing. Competition breeds innovation and efficiency. The problem is that there’s nothing capitalists hate more than a free market. As soon as any company gets big enough, or any capitalist gets wealthy enough, they start directing their wealth to buying public policy that will give them an unfair advantage in the market. And as soon as any company gets enough market share, they start engaging in uncompetitive business practices if not heavily regulated.

      Marx was fundamentally right. Capitalism is an unstable system. Even if you could magically start a society with a perfectly free market, it would inevitably collapse into oligarchy. And when the oligarchs push things far enough that enough people are desperate enough, oligarchy collapses into fascism.

      The free market has a lot of merit to it. But ironically, the only way you can maintain even a vaguely free market is by heavy handed government intervention. You need a large redistributive mechanism to prevent wealth accumulation at the top, and you need strict regulation on the size of businesses to prevent them from dominating markets. Free markets require heavy government intervention in order to persist long term.

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        You need a large redistributive mechanism to prevent wealth accumulation at the top, and you need strict regulation on the size of businesses to prevent them from dominating markets.

        We had those things, and we can bring them back. If we survive the next four years, I suspect most Americans will be less opposed to a wealth tax and an FTC/DOJ that can actually do its job.

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    Ill give a small example here how I know we are fucked. I leased a vehicle for 1900 a month back in 2022, the lease is up in October. I just bought a new 100,000 dollar truck today, I’m over 200,000 in debt already with barely enough to cover my monthly payments. They should not have given me this truck. But I’m a business, they give me anything. Sure I’ll make 2 mill this year but they never once asked anything once I said a company was buying it. I’m personally saving money on this transaction but the fact that the financial system allowed this to happen worrying to say the least.

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        He works with software so it’s probably because it occasionally snows where he lives and his micropenis.

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          After skimming @[email protected] post history I didn’t notice anything about working in tech nor having it snow where they live, but I did notice a lot of posts about killing their neighbors, which was concerning to say the least

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            I did a quick check and they’re definitely Canadian and recently went to CES. So I think “snows” is a given and “works in tech” is extremely likely.

            I really hate looking at people’s post history though, so please don’t harass person.

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        Could need a pickup with the tool boxes and shit built in, or maybe a hydraulic lift. My family owned a construction company for decades, and we always had one of those in the driveway, and while I don’t know how much they were, they were definitely more expensive.

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          Oh, those start at 150,000 now. Trucks are crazy expensive.

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        I work in environmental reclamation, I haul things a lot. And travel down rough roads a lot. I’m actually downsizing to this truck because the other ones are too damn expensive.

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      Don’t worry. People like my parents will blame poor people for accepting loans that they can’t pay.

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    If it worked to funnel money to the wealthy the first time why not the second? Or third… and so on.

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      well new time iwth gen z, people dont want to work for the richest people for minium salary and opputinity, meanwhile boomer generation just work to work and earn some money, and get some children to fight for even more spare jobs… AI days coming sooner or later yep yep. still respect them for building our country. but honestly idk why your life should be the job your working on, when the job treats you like bad fish that when you do something to get any attention, your fired.

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    You start noticing this pattern after some decades.
    Always accompanied by “we need to temporarily tighten the belt now to keep our properity for the following generations”.
    The period before is sold as a great economic time, despite that they called it a crisis back then and also ‘needed’ austerity measures to get back to the prosperity of the previous period.
    The western standard of living has been destroyed bit by bit since the post WW2 period with this tactic, not for the multinationals, banks, stock folks OC, that’s where the stolen money goes to.
    The ones in power telling us in their paid press how great ‘the econonomy’ is doing bcs stock line go up and BS GDP up.
    In reality that means more billions in the pockets of a few oligarchs while income equality is growing.

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      “we need to temporarily tighten the belt now to keep our properity for the following generations”.

      But followed by “you guys need to be expending” and also “we are going to fund a lot more things with public money”

      Fuck Keynes.

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        We should be spending public money though. The public debt has literally never been an actual issue for the US.

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    For your own mental well-being, stop reading the news. Unsubscribe and block all news communities.

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      Many of us are ambivalent. We are overwhelmed by the terrible things happening around us. We can stick our heads in the sand, but we can’t help fix things if we don’t know what is happening. I take breaks from Trump/Musk news, but I can’t stay away forever if I want to fight for my family, and maybe my country.

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      That is what a third of non voting Americans have done and its working out great for all of us. /s

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        I didn’t say don’t vote. You can look stuff up around election times. But general day to day there is really no point in looking at the news.

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          I didn’t say you said don’t vote. I said that the type that doesn’t pay any attention until it affects them is the type that doesn’t vote.

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      By all means everyone should take breaks from the media and not doomscroll constantly. But if you disengage completely you will have given the people making the world like this everything they want. They want you to be apathetic and disengaged. They want you to stay home on every election day. They want you to ignore everything they are doing, because criminals can work better when there’s no one watching what they are doing.

      So, for your mental well being please do take regular time off from the 24hr news cycle but also, look into how you can help to turn back the tide. See where you can volunteer if you have the time, join your PTA and keep an eye on your local library (these have been major targets of right wing nut jobs looking to undermine progress), or if you are too busy then just simply repost the positive messaging from those few in our government who are doing all they can to hold the line against this regime. Challenge the thoughts of those you know who are either giving in to apathy or voted for Trump but are even slightly doubting his actions. Every crack can be a door. And, most importantly, VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION.

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      They grew up in a for the most part prosperous time, middle class had 2 cars in the driveway, jobs were easier to obtain, it’s no wonder alot of them think the way they do.

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        Think about it this way: They were literally the most spoiled highest quality-of-life group of humans to ever exist on Earth in any timeline.

        • Ubiquitous access to healthcare and vaccinations for longer life.
        • Access to pensions and retirement options no longer available where the employer did all the legwork to ensure they had a future post-work so they didn’t have to learn a thing about investing or retirement savings.
        • Infrastructure that was borne from the Great Depression, so they had roads, bridges, dams all built up to last their lifetime with no care about maintenance, as they figure, “oh it was always there, it will always be there,” so no money was committed to maintenance we are now having to do, freeing that money up to live like kings and queens in the short-term.
        • Easy to access jobs, homes, boats, cars with little to no education or financial acumen. Just that “walk in and hand them a resume” trope they love to perpetuate.
        • The most modern travel technology and geopolitical climate to go on vacation pretty much anywhere on the planet, and access to time to have vacation.
        • Relatively calm planetary climate so they didn’t have to worry about things like today’s weather weirding with tornadoes where they shouldn’t be, hurricanes going inland, hail everywhere, and on and on, all the while driving their 5 MPG giant SUVs all over the country while tossing their food wrappers on the side of the road.
        • Cheap (during the majority of their lives) to relocate anywhere in the US or abroad if they wanted to work or live somewhere else, or be “snowbirds” when they’re too wimpy to tolerate the winter in their home states.
        • The same geopolitical climate prevented them having to grow up in war-torn anywhere.
        • Access to any kind of entertainment imaginable any time anywhere.
        • Artificially post-world-war inflated US economy that took some decades to spin down (that “Great Again” they fap to) - which only happened because the US joined so late and had few losses ourselves. The war never happened at home, so we got out for minimal effort/casualties/infrastructure loss.
        • And they got to adult in an age of computer technology that enables them as olds to not have to drive their car, pick up food, or do any errands they don’t want to do themselves, all without having to learn any technical skills because the tech was designed for idiots.

        No human generation before or after them got to, or likely will ever, experience such a prosperous story-arc. They should consider themselves damn lucky and act like it, while supporting future generations to have a sliver of what their spoiled asses were able to enjoy.

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          I just disagree that they had it so good.

          Modern technology like cell phones, computers, medicines and treatments have upended how things work. Imagine how hard it would be to go to a college or university and not have access to google or reddit. Or how hard it would be to have to type up multiple copies of everything instead of just sending an email with multiple recipients.

          MMR vaccines starting with measles in 63, mumps in 67 and rubella in 69, Polio in 55-61ish, Haemophilus influenzae type b '85. Anyone who is a boomer lived in a period where these things were still a problem in day to day lives.

          Their car crashes resulted in fatalities. Ours are generally minor injuries in comparison. The way cars are designed have changed.

          They had one or two power outlets per room, if any at all. They didn’t have much insulation, let alone sound proofing.

          They had to pay a commission to a travel agent to go on vacation, they couldn’t just look things up for themselves and had to rely on friends or the agent as to how it is.

          If you wanted to look something up you had to go to a library.

          Few actually owned multiple cars. Growing up in a middle class household in the 80s we had a single car and our family vacation was camping.

          There was a constant threat of nuclear war.

          Air travel for a long, long time was exclusively reserved for the wealthy and those in business.

          Labor laws, as few as we have today, were even worse.

          By the time computers came around they were too old to actually partake by and large. My boomer grandparents (because that’s the actual boomer age now in their 80s) are dying or are dead and they’ve never had a cell phone.

          Easy to access jobs, homes, boats, cars with little to no education or financial acumen. Just that “walk in and hand them a resume” trope they love to perpetuate.

          It’s never been that easy! It’s always been easy to find a job that pays for a room, but much more is a luxury for so many. There’s obviously exceptions but I see loads of people making >200k today without advanced degrees. Anybody who got into programming ~4+ years ago is living like a king today by comparison to most of the ‘middle class’ in the 50s, 60s, 70s or 80s.

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          But do they? No? Why? Because the are spoiled rotten. When Boomers were young, the weren’t called Boomers. The were called the „Me-Generation“. And rightfully so, cause most of them only think about personal short term gains.

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        Boomers grew up in a world with a 91% top-tier income tax rate that drove businesses to spend their excess income on products and services, which became their parents’ paychecks.

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      Take heart, in 10 years the worst of the boomers in power today will be dead. In 20 years there will be almost no boomers left. Hopefully there will be enough of a country left to fix once they’re all dead.

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        You’re forgetting that there are many brainwashed younger people who totally bought the bullshit. It won’t be easy.

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        in 10 years the worst of the boomers in power today will be dead.

        I remember thinking this about the WW2 generation back in the 90s. The result:

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        In about 25 years most countries will be warzones and anyone that cant afford whatever the elite are charging for the few freshwater sources left on the planet will be dead or enslaved. anyone within twenty degrees of the equator will have fled or be dead, and anyone living above ground anywhere else will live in nonpermanent shelters due to the yearly storms that destroy standing structure.

        boomers will be taking the worlds habitable range with them, and leaving us with a nightmare.

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          That’s an excellent reason to try and live in the moment and enjoy what you have while you have it.