Summary
The Atlantic has published unredacted attack plans (non-paywall link) shared in a Signal group chat of senior Trump officials, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, and DNI Tulsi Gabbard.
Editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg released the full texts after officials denied sharing war plans or classified information, arguing transparency was necessary amid accusations of dishonesty.
The leaked messages detailed U.S. military strikes targeting Houthis in Yemen.
It’s so wild that they are very demanding of touchpoints up front but totally clueless about everything throughout the chat…
The interesting part of publishing all the texts is it only serves Trump’s plans. To tear America away from Europe and force America to find new global relationships. Interesting times we are living in.
There is the outside possibility that the journalist was added on purpose
I’ve had this thought in the back of my mind since learning about this. How does one accidentally add someone to a group chat?
Why would an unfriendly journalist be in your (and everyone elsew) phone only as initials?
I honestly have 0 ideas as to why, but it’s just too stupid of an action to not be on purpose. I’m sure we’ll find out one day. These people aren’t very confidential and will probably blab about it on a talk show down the road.
We are four years out from a book deal.
“Won’t look good if this leaks and we don’t bomb them” is literally in the leaked chats. Journalist was added on purpose imo.
They shouldn’t be doing any of that on Signal anyway.
if this were any other regime, they’d be facing jail time for using a non-approved messaging app. But this is the year of the trumptard, so they will face no consequences.
They dropped the guy’s girlfriend’s apartment building on him to kill him.
Hope it was a townhouse and not a tower.
The fucking disregard for human life.53 dead, not a townhouse.
Yeah. Expected nothing less from the pro-life party.
Collateral damage matters to those in power insofar as the victims are popular with the voting public.
And when you can limit access to voting, gerrymander, and run illegal lotteries to skew the vote, well… then the voters don’t matter either.
Maybe don’t google architecture of Sana’a
Maybe don’t look up distinctive architecture of Sana’a
oops military go vroom
My favorite quote is the one where he says it could leak lol
“…If this leaks we look indecisive”
Try incompetent beyond reason. This clown world is funny if people weren’t dying.
Of course… the main thing is how they look not what good they do. It’s unforgiveable
Also this:
Pete Hegseth, after broadly describing the big picture situation/rationale for the strike, that same block of text you pulled the ‘we look indecisive’ from:
But, we can easily pause. And if we do, I will do all we can to enforce 100% OPSEC.
… I don’t even know what to say.
He said he would do all he can.
We know what his best is now.
Don’t you just love all these merit based hires.
So thankful we avoided GeNoCiDe JoE!
This is way better! …but then again, the world is only black or white… so maybe not. I guess the internet wanted this and so here we are.
Sigh. Harris would be more competently bombing people in Yemen, so I’m happy with Trump in charge when it comes to this.
Ah yes, some pro-Palestinians who didn’t cast their votes are the reason democrats lost.
This trope is getting old to be honest.
edit: don’t forget to vOtE bLuE!
The prevalent message is what counts.
Kinda like saying a handful of idiots pushed a narrative about Hillary’s server. More idiots bought that line but it was started by a small group.
The well known argument that the 90 millions eligible voters that did not vote were influenced by a few people protesting the US aiding and supporting a genocide.
very rational, very smart…Keep on deflecting instead of bettering your party, that will show the republicans currently destroying what is left of your society.
The vote was within 2M. Yes, they changed the outcome.
Are you really using the margin of the popular vote in a gerrymandered country to make a point?
It’s sad.
edit: I, too, remember how Hillary won the 2016 election thanks to the popular vote… oh wait.
Do you understand how gerrymandering works? It doesn’t apply directly to Presidential elections.
Should have reread my comment before making these assumptions.
Why not both? It’s entirely possible to push for progressive policies while also acknowledging the role cultural influence and the internet holds…
Easier that being an asshole really.
Because it’s nonsensical? You people are trying to put all the blame of trump win on some vocal minority from the left.
This is dishonest, and quite disturbing. Especially seeing how frequent this argument keep popping up on every thread related to trump destroying your country.
Fox News my summer child and people like you…
It’s everyone’s fault except mine
It’s this rhetoric that plays perfectly into the class divide that the corporate asshats want everyone to fall for. “It’s your fault for not voting for the other corporate shill party!” Disregarding the fact that the main difference is one party is just mask off, and the other is mask on fascist. As many people rightly point out, the dems are controlled opposition. If they weren’t there would literally have been much more fight and pushback from them for the four years before Trump 2.0 (especially since they knew it was coming faaar in advance) rather then the milquetoast response we got from them, this was made quite obvious by the dems moving right in many policies and stumping with Cheney of all people. If these people really gave a shit about appealing to their constituents, they would’ve listened to the damn voters. This is all beside the point as modern American voting IS NOT determined by the voting public, but much more powerful interests. If you really believed your vote was effecting something in this, or any other election in the past 20+ years, I have a bridge to sell you in the Sahara.
You are making lot of sense, it’s like good cop / bad cop stuff. Democrats will play this game of redirecting the blame away from their lovely politicians but won’t hold them accountable for yet doing anything about anything…
It was a really educational thread, even makes me wondering if all those comments were organic, like some of these arguments were too stupid and detached to be real.
Don’t anger uniparty tards like that.
Yes, you hold some of this blood in your hands. Complaining won’t absolve you of it. Thank you for your disservice, what are you doing to help correct it?
I’m not american, thank god.
Cool, so your criticism is worth nothing
I know, but I feel bad watching you people fall into a fascistic society while you fight eachother to know who’s the most righteous.
Most people over here have been beaten down almost completely by a sick capitalist culture. The group who is “fighting for who’s the most righteous” (<- a phrase I love, for what that’s worth) is the same group fucking most of us.
they most certainly influenced the election, whether or not they were responsible or not is a bit more complicated to answer.
Whether or not they should’ve voted is the simplest possible answer you could give. The answer was yes, and they didn’t.
Even if they voted, it wouldn’t have changed anything.
But please, continue using them as tokens for your deflection. It will make your country better. What could go wrong…
i mean i literally made that argument in my comment, but please, keep coping.
cool story
i know, i spent so long making it, please respond, i sent you pictures of my toe beans. ._.
If they voted, they would’ve changed the outcome. Lol
sure keep living in your fantasy
That’s literally cause and effect my dude, are you refuting fundamental natural phenomena instead of just admitting you made a mistake?
It’s enjoyable seeing you lot arguing about how you could loose against a rapist insurrectionist.
The truth gets old, got it.
Keep coping, doing the ostrich will not save your country, neither will cardboards.
Couldn’t bring myself to let them jerk off of themselves.
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Wasn’t it Obama that normalized the indiscriminate use of drone strikes in civilian areas without congressional approval?
Democrats are just more competent about their use of military action.
Killed an underage American boy in the very same country that is getting bombed again.
The problem is that republicans and democrats are still all american.
yeah thank god all those left leaning voters didn’t vote for kamala, we would be in so much worse of a position now.
This trope if pathetic, only Americans think this way. You need an actual opposition party then, not neoliberalism. Because fascism wins either with your way of thinking.
No politician offering universal healthcare, affordable housing, paid time off, better wages, resistance against genocide, etc. and etc. And youre mad at the voters? You see how fucked up that is?
Blaming others and voters will keep making your situation worse and worse, until they come after you as well. You could instead use your energy to protest in various ways or to support or help to challenge and create new parties or structures.
Keep dogging on your own citizens and youre gonna be next. Literally the playbook of Nazis. “First they came for…”
The Trump administration has a lot of catching up to do if they want to get even remotely close to the number of casualties and the staggering destruction caused by Genocide Joe.
covid much?
Covid is on the Trump administration now?
Fucking YES.
Good. Should have done that to begin with.
I am so glad i was wrong. Props for releasing the info.
Props for admitting that. This world (and the current white house) could use some of that. It’s refreshing.
Honestly I’m enjoying overshooting the cynicism because now when I’m wrong it’s almost like it’s something good. It’s ok to be wrong, it’s just poor form to be salty about it.
Oh Lordy.
OK extremely explosive texts sent via signal, a no go because of security concerns and people screaming. Yeah wtf how much have you been upside down? American ISP’s and important infrastructure has been completely hacked with the Chinese for a long time (thus certainly also forwarding to Russia) and Trump has ended all attempts against what companies directly and lets the attackers continue peacefully in. Not a no go? No uprising? So if Russia and China can secretly monitor all traffic in America (so that end devices can also be infected and messages can be attacked directly even before anything is encrypted) is that absolutely ok…?
Dafuq wtf
schizo comment
https://lemm.ee/comment/19198639
Dont know why deeple crypted that translation in non sense . anyway better as sending plaintext like some Rusmericaner. ;)
oh, if it’s translated that would explain it lmao.
Ten Bezos Bux says nothing will come of this.
Trump has already written it off saying “Waltz learned his lesson.”
So now we get to see if anyone is actually willing to stand up to Trump.
Why not hire someone who isn’t learning their lessons as they go? You know, someone with experience?
👊🇺🇸🔥
pretty sure they’ve all been doge’d
Do you want something to come out of this? I personally don’t want Trump (or any other US president) having an efficient war machine.
So many people talking about the fact that this leaked, and not enough are talking about what leaked.
We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji’s over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.
If you have to kill someone, sure, that’s a moral position we can discuss. No one should ever be celebrating it, particularly when others died in the process. But hey, they’re not Americans, so they don’t count.
Since when do American leaders care about “collateral damage” ?
The largest terrorist organisation in the world.
Since when do Americans im general? They sure were all united when they were leveling my country
Americans do not all support wars.
When you claim to be a democracy, and you have two group, both see killing Palestinian and brown people is okay, and your 2/3 of the population still vote for them, your statement objectively false.
So what should they vote for no one and stay home?
Ah yes, blame the victims, that’s sure to solve the problem. I suppose I should also blame the people who live in the building that was dropped for boarding with a terrorist? I mean they can just choose to be somewhere else, right?
Fuck off.
Are you suggesting that if a person votes for a given candidate then it means the person agrees with everything the candidate does?
Zero comfort while I stand in the rubble of my former home
Most countries in America do care
We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji’s over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.
As someone who was around for “We’ll put a boot in yer ass, it’s the American way” this does not surprise me in the slightest.
They are so incredibly dishonorable it’s appalling.
plus they were probably brown, not white, so it double-y doesn’t count.
We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji’s over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.
Correction: They dropped a building on a “terrorist” (read: brown person the US doesn’t like).
There is a reason to attack him. I don’t agree with the whole situation but shooting at cargo ships and American warships is going to get a response. I just expect the world’s most technological military to do a better job of not attacking innocent people in getting to him.
I don’t agree with the whole situation but shooting at cargo ships and American warships is going to get a response
It’s going to get a response, but that response is as immoral as the status quo it’s trying to protect.
It’s immoral on it’s face because of how they’re doing it is my point. There’s certainly a political philosophy discussion to be had about the underlying international system and American system, but there’s none to be had about throwing extra explosions around to “intimidate” a third country.
but there’s none to be had about throwing extra explosions around to “intimidate” a third country.
There is, and not having that discussion does nothing but help the imperial core maintain their facade of moral legitimacy even as they murder innocent people all over the world.
We’re talking about the same guys funded by the guy who says the ideal society is Mordor. This doesn’t surprise anyone. Everyone is expendable for the company’s machine, they wouldn’t mind targeting innocent people, let alone causing civilian casualties when targeting real terrorists.
the guy who says the ideal society is Mordor
I’m sorry, who with the what now?
Peter Thiel.
It’s like the confirmation of Brett Kavenau when he threw a hissy fit about how he “likes beer”…
That in and of itself should have disqualified him. If someone isn’t capable of being even-keeled and not throwing a temper tantrum, then they shouldn’t hold the highest judicial office in the land…
That would have disqualified him from almost any normal job interview.
The dude cried and vowed retribution against one of the two parties in the US…and was still confirmed to the highest court in the country. Fucking wild.
“If we discussed dropping a building on a terrorist we should also discuss bombing weddings, so let’s stick to using proper communication channels and following proper protocol for records”
These dumbfucks have no empathy. They will tell you empathy is weakness. In reality empathy is a social defense mechanism. If we all have empathy for each other it limits the harm we do. What they’re missing is not having it isn’t some kind of advantage, historically we are the most savage to those without empathy. It causes the mob to turn their empathy off and give in to their worst impulses. They think they’ll be the first ones in history to avoid that fate. They won’t.
Sic semper tyrannis
Look at what JD “couch fucker” Vance wrote. Regarding potentially delaying the strike. He didn’t give any shits about the benefits or risks to lives, only the optics (oil prices going up), politics and his hatred for helping Europe.
Sure, clearing the shipping lanes is “good” but it’s more helpful to Europe “gross” so that’s a tick “con” colum.
Their “worst case scenarios” were all “it could look bad”.
idk why anybody is surprised, seeing how the republicans operate this should be obvious as fuck
No one should be surprised. We’ve seen who these people are time and time again. But we shouldn’t be so desensitized to moral bankruptcy that we completely overlook such a disgusting disregard for human life.
idk what to tell you anymore, i don’t care about human life lmao.
You all ruined it for me by being so fucking stupid. Like i’m sorry, but how is a satirist supposed to live in a climate where everybody is just fucking stupid. The answer, inevitably, is benevolent disregard for human life, because clearly nobody cares about it enough to do anything about it.
If you have to kill someone, sure, that’s a moral position we can discuss. No one should ever be celebrating it, particularly when others died in the process
I can think of a few deaths worth celebrating
There are only a few handful for whom I’d pull the trigger myself, but quite a multitude more that I would celebrate their passing with glee.
I just think, especially when we’re pulling the trigger ourselves, we should be sad, maybe disappointed, that it’s come to that. Bad people are still people, and while I believe they throw away their right to life when they start indescriminately revoking it from others, I don’t ever want to find myself happy to take life. I’ll be happy later, in the better world that’s been created.
The Atlantic putting a paywall on this when they got the texts for free from a government handout is peak America…
JG got the texts for free but he’s probably gonna need someone watching his 6 now. And I’m pretty sure a lawyer is billing for helping them figure out how to publish the details and still avoid getting trapped into anything illegal, like naming the CIA agent.
Nah, the guilty parties already told congress nothing the texts did not contain classified material, so releasing them should be fine. It’s not like this administration would suddenly change its mind now, surely.
Turn JS off to “bypass” it
OP linked an archive link, and updated the post to have it.
But I clicked it before and had the same reaction as if I opened a box labeled “dead dove”.
Good journalism is very expensive to produce. You got to pay for it somehow.
Exactly why I used to subscribe to the Washington Post until Bezos wiped his ass with it. I’ll have to look into subscribing to The Atlantic now.
I have been The Atlantic subscriber for about 5 years now. I think it has pretty great writers on staff. Their physical subscription is pretty cheap too.
Yeah I’m considering dumping NYT too. I heard Reuters was a better ‘investment’. Please someone tell me if that’s wrong. I don’t want to support Billionaires.
Wired “has been killing it” during the ongoing soft coup, to quote my journalist wife, and we’ve replaced our WaPo subscription with that. We can never dump NYT just because of the recipes.
PBS and NPR are pretty decent places to put your subscription moneys
Hopefully they survive this administration.
This was a gift given to the Atlantic, though. I guess you gotta milk it for what it’s worth.
I’m not disagreeing in a general sense, but it’s funny to make that argument here when this info basically fell into the journalist’s lap. Very little actual journalism went into making this story possible
But think of how much money is going to be needed for the security detail this guy is gonna need for the foreseeable future. Or the costs of retaining legal representation to help him navigate through what is guaranteed to be an endless sea of investigations, frivilous lawsuits, etc. that the Trump administration is guaranteed to launch until something sticks.
I wouldn’t be getting on any planes any time in the near future if I were him either.
This story may have fallen into his lap, but it sure as hell wasn’t free.
Government official work => no copyright?
Lock him up!
