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Yes, this means a ton of carbon ends up in the atmosphere instead of in the trees. The right move would be thinning and prescribed burns, but this administration isn’t going to do that.
These are our forests. They belong to the US people. They’re being stolen from us. For private profit of a few.
It’s an American tradition.
You stole that whole country
Moot, pointless, argument.
This argument accomplishes what exactly? Aside from trying to just stir the pot or create culture war drama?
It’s okay for public lands to be raped and razed now? Because (like damn near all the land in the world, everywhere) was taken during war/conflict?
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Our native Americans the only ones who are allowed to be concerned about the country it’s land and the environment?
Your argument and point again only serves to further the culture war aspect of this and does nothing to address the problem at hand.
no but only being concerned now when it directly impacts you is pretty funny
oddly relevant
that’s just your little opinion
A little opinion is appropriate in response to a small minded comment.
No one asked for yours anyway.
And are you mislabeling it as ‘small minded’ bcs it’s directly confronting your hypocrisy?
Looks like you’ve got a case of the projections.No one asked for yours anyway.
And who asked for yours? Are you just special?
And are you mislabeling it as ‘small minded’ bcs it’s directly confronting your hypocrisy?
LOL, I’m not an American.
Looks like you’ve got a case of the projections.
ROFLMAO I can’t even, ZERO self awareness with this bloke.
Oh you’re from the country that’s clearly in the same boat.
Or the bigger boat since you plundered a lot more.imagine feeling the need to get involved when you have no skin in the game
how about you watch your people get fucked a few generations and while it’s going on this moment people are complaining about your response over their hypocrisy
Ah, a troll.
the original comment was about ‘we’re being stolen from’ seems pretty relevant but I get how white America doesn’t want to think about it
“They’re gonna chop down national forests”
“bUt WhAT aBoUt ThE iNdIaNs???”
bruh
more like ‘now you care? lol’
Sorry I didn’t care 400 years ago. I’ll try harder.
How many cared when it was decided there would be an oil pipeline through the pittance they were relegated to? More land stolen, and everything around it polluted in time to add insult to injury.
Did you care then, just a few years ago?
I mean, people didn’t do nothing.
Not near enough to actually change a damn thing though, was it?
I mean shit, the company responsible is now trying to take down Greenpeace -the entire entity- in court over the whole affair, it is that confident in how fucked the US judicial system is.
They got to choose where to hold a trial with global ramifications, and tainted the entire possible jury pool by restricting it to some poxy little oil town that would cease to exist if not for the oil industry.
How many of you turned out to protest that?
that’s better than nothing but that’s self interest and farmers were right to be worried
none of that changes anything on a national level nor changed the actual outcome so the criticism is still valid
it’s happening to native lands in the US while we speak, the fact you are not even aware earns the ‘lol’
Americans get real mad when confronted with their hypocrisy.
What country are you from, and how many people did it ship over to north america to colonize it?
lol this thread full of privileged white Americans is whining about takes and then you drop this and it’s upvoted
double down on the hypocrisy guys
We didn’t export criminals.
And besides the point, it’s about admitting it happened.
Which is very difficult for Americans looking at the angry reactions.
yep
“bUt WhAT aBoUt ThE iNdIaNs???”
bruh
The opinion of people who write like this can’t be take seriously
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Whataboutism.
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
The point is that you admit your wrongs.
As they clearly can’t and get very defensive, as hypocrites do.
I mean, as the other guy pointed out, you as a people stole the fucking lot and literally massacred thousands upon thousands of people to do it.
Shoe’s on the other foot now, eh?
And Britain stole the world, what point does any of this make? What do you want done about it?
They did. And created and taught others some of the most reprehensible methods of population control and genocide the world has ever seen.
Acknowledging it rather than denying it. Learning from the darkest parts of our history, to never have it be repeated is what I want done.
Ignorance of our history is why it keeps repeating itself. Gestures widely
yea if 60% ish of America could self reflect we’d not be in the state we are today
Ah yes, because native Americans celebrate the raping of their lands as long as the people who took it from them hundreds of years ago descendants (unlikely, given how many generations are immigrants) are also having their lands raped too.
Get the fuck out here with this brain-rot level argument. 🤦
Go stir the pot somewhere else.
You’re right in that it was a comment designed to “stir the pot”, if by that you mean, “make someone stop for a moment and consider their position in history”.
I agree that any right thinking person, of Native American origin or otherwise should be aghast at the current US administrations utter destruction of everything, from old growth forest to human structures of civilisation.
Reading it back, my comment sounds flippant and ignorant. That’s on me for commenting pre-coffee and smoke. 💛
Reading it back, my comment sounds flippant and ignorant.
I don’t think you all on .ee can help that, you seem to be solely a propaganda instance.
Have you even looked at my comment history to decide what kind of person I am, or did you decide that purely from where I registered my account over a year ago?
Have I seen you around yes, I believe we’ve even interacted before. That said no in don’t profile creep which is why I made a general statement I think I’m probably correct on.
Funny you say that from the padded room instance. 🤣
that shit didn’t stop happening ‘hundreds of years ago’ natives are getting fucked over by America regarding land rights as we speak
fuck off yourself
obviously you wouldn’t know this though because it only matters when it happens to you, typical privileged white america
Both times it was the government to the greatest extent.
“The government” offered money for the task, and thousands took that money and got on with the job.
“The Government” is people. Usually the worst, most manipulative self-serving people. It does what other people let it get away with.
Fuck. This kind of shit is why I feel the need for revenge on these people. They’re slashing forests and impoverishing the population. It’s not enough for them to lose an election. they need to pay
I want my pound of fucking flesh.
The USA will resemble Russia, China and Mordor.
In the past decade, China has regrown more than 70 million hectares of forest cover. The country has benefited greatly from solutions in biodiversity conservation, sustainable usage and climate governance, resulting in wetland and forest restoration that also combats desertification. (link to a WEF article on China’s reforestation efforts)
… it has made “remarkable strides” in tackling the issue, said Xinhua, beginning in 1978 with the launch of the “Great Green Wall of China”. Expected to continue until 2050, the “biggest tree-planting project in human history” will ultimately have created “88 million acres of forests in a wall stretching about 3,000 miles and as wide as 900 miles in some places”, (article from The Week regarding anti-desertification efforts)
In November 2024, China’s government reported that after 46 years of work it had finished the 3,000-kilometer green belt around the Taklamakan Desert. The country’s forest coverage grew from 10% of the overall territory in 1949 to 25% in 2024 (this one’s a link to the Wikipedia page for the Great Green Wall initiative, if you’re interested)
Where’s an entmoot when you need one?
We get 30% of our lumber from Canada. This is the inevitable consequence of shutting our borders to trade via tariffs - if these policies stick around for four years, sure, we may bring some manufacturing home at great immediate cost, but we’ll also be bringing home the environmental burdens of manufacturing (the negative externalities) which we’ve been pushing onto other countries and ignoring for decades. In the meantime, other countries have started to learn how to handle those externalities, like China’s big push for solar power. In America, we’ve got an idiot who is rolling back worker safety, health and environmental protections, the list goes on. So even if these tariffs worked, we’re going to be living in a less healthy place, all in the name of jobs…
This has nothing to do with the tariffs; even if those weren’t happening Trump would be selling the trees off to his cronies anyway. It’s a blatantly corrupt kleptocracy.
It has everything to do with lumber tariffs, it’s just the other end of the equation. The forests are the supply, and the tariffs will create the demand.
They are privatizing every single thing.
Nothing to do with Tariffs. They just make the business more juicy for his cronies.
My body is not ready for the amount of alcohol and dancing I am going to force myself to take part in on the day this motherfucker dies and goes to hell.
Literally, the most destructive and evil human on the planet since Hitler. I can’t wait until the worms get him. I kind of feel bad for them, but I guess it’s part of the job.
That scene in the matrix 2
Save a forest, shoot a …
Wait, where’s the line where what I say gets me banned again?
In my experience, that line was mostly left over on Reddit.
Vigilante groups tracking and disabling logging equipment?
Fun fact: it doesn’t take very much gasoline in a diesel engine to wreck the engine fast. Diesel fuel lubricates the cylinders, while gasoline will strip lubrication off. Rebuilding a diesel engine that’s seized because there was no lubrication in the cylinders is a very expensive process. Diesel engines also rely on the compression of the air and fuel to ignite at the correct time, so a low-octane gasoline that was less resistant to pre-ignition in the compression cycle would cause severe engine knock that would also trash the engine.
So the moral of the story is, be very careful that you never put low-octane gasoline in you diesel engine, because you might end up needing to spend tens of thousands of dollars to replace the engine.
Drill, drill, drill! Cut, cut, cut! Slash, slash, slash! Burn, burn, burn! You guys carry on I have to go golfing.
Gee, why wouldn’t I want to cede my country to American management and become the 51st state? You guys are knocking it out of the park, no pun intended.
Already bad enough here in Ontario with Doug “I’m a big Republican” Ford’s Ministerial Zoning Order addiction, gutting environmental protection agencies, trying to sell off the Greenbelt, using covid recovery bills to get his dirt done, etc.
Any rein we’ve been able to keep on the timbit would dissolve into nada if we allowed the US govt to run their game here. I can’t even conceive of much worse they’d make the tar sands in Alberta. 90% of the fisheries would just be trawlers digging up seabeds. Plus the dizzying amount of toxic waste they’re already legally dumping here and in Mexico?
Elbows up.
this is so fucking retarded. it is going to take longer than his term to build fucking logging factories and its going to cost millions of dollars. plus you have to hire these people and drivers. and guess what? since it’s “american” it will just cost more for some reason anyways like everything else “American made” does. what an actual joke for the sheep
I agree with everything you said… except the ableist slur. I have worked with special needs people and they can be some of the sweetest, most genuine, hardest-working people you’ll meet! Please ditch the outdated term, we need to be better than that…
I’d be interested to understand more about why you find this usage of the word “retarded” offensive. I sometimes use the word as a synonym for “stupid” or “idiotic”, but would never use the term to refer to a person with a developmental disability. I’m curious if your experience is different. Do you feel the word should be eliminated from usage entirely?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
And just in case you’re asking in good faith, I don’t “find” it offensive, it’s a slur. I can’t go up to my white friend, call him the n-word and say “I use it for someone who doesn’t use turn signals.” Words have meaning based on how society uses them collectively, not your individual opinion.
Trump is speedrunning to aim for the lowest biodiversity index in North America.
Maybe if we stop ridiculously subisidising corn everywhere, some that gets thrown away because we have way too much, we could replace a couple dozen sq km of corn fields with more sustainable agroforestry, and thereby massively increase our logging output, instead of yk, cutting down the last wildlife sanctuaries? Not holding my breath tho.
i comfort myself with the knowledge that most worlds are totally dead
zero wildlife is the normal state of things
extinction is only sad to the survivors, and soon enough there will be none left to mourn
didn’t he say it would be like 0.5% of all federal land, or something.
One difference between the fascists and the rest of us is that for us, words have meaning, while for the fascists, they’re only a tool for manipulation when spoken to somebody they see as inferior.
tbf he may have said that for housing, but yeah, this admin is excessively stupid. They haven’t exactly demonstrated competency.
Trump has two legs. Just sayin
The Black Knight always triumphs!
It’s just a flesh wound!
So just cut one off. Gotcha
Holy shit, America, you are so fucked at this point.
It only the damage was contained within the USA’s borders.
America is a dumpster fire lol, they have all these “checks and balances” but then one guy can just make all the trade policy and land use decisions by decree. What even is the point of their congress
Checks and balances all died with citizens united….only one left is the second amendment
The 2nd amendment is part of the Bill of rights which he already trampled multiple times. There is no right to bear arms anymore, they just haven’t had a reason to round anyone who uses them up yet.
All governments at some level run on the honor system. When the whole government colludes to not honor the system, you get this.
Problem is that both houses majorities support the lunatic, right now they’ve more or less given him a blank check to operate.
Historically, the two party system has meant that Congress either votes with the presidents wishes or against when it comes to legislation, but Congress doesn’t directly approve/disprove of executive orders. To oppose executive orders, Congress needs to pass laws that override the orders. That wont happen unless the majority becomes convinced they’ll lose elections if they keep supporting trump.
It’ll be up to the Judicial Branch to directly rule for/against this order. But the judicial branch only truly has power so long as the executive complies. We’re close to hitting the test of that power balance on some of his earlier orders.
Fun fact: the law enforcement of the Judicial Branch is technically an agency under the Executive Branch. Not a problem if people are largely operating in good faith with the law, or at least fear repurcussions if they don’t comply… But since Trump doesn’t fear repurcussion, this fun fact may be the oversight that breaks the consitution.
The problem is that Congress is controlled by people who are Trump sycophants — the Republican Party kicked out everybody who wasn’t.
There isn’t much purpose for congress anymore. Biden was doing the same thing. I think we should just do away with presidents, only have the House and the Senate. If nothing else, stop allowing the presidents to use executive orders. They really aren’t legal the way they are used.
Any solution that stops short of essentially a factory reset (really should go further tbh) is going to land us here again
There is a lot wrong, that’s for sure.
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That’s bullshit. Protests need to start somewhere and gain momentum. Once they’re big enough, they become hard to ignore. Then comes the hard part when those in power start to suppres the protests with force. If the protests continue despite this, they can gain much wider sympathy and can really change something. I have seen this several times with my own eyes, including one time when it meant a revolution.
